The Official "Big Brother 11" Discussion Thread!

[TheGM27]

But Ronnie wants to get rid of Russell, Ronnie does not like him.

 

[joesman]

But Ronnie wants to get rid of Russell, Ronnie does not like him.

No he doesn't. He was telling them that to keep them from eating him alive. He knows that Russell will explode and he hasn't the balls to face that. As much as I dislike Russell, I dislike Jeff, Jordan, Laura more and Ronnie way more. Jeff can't get rid of Russell except to campaign to have him gone and he is not that good at convinving anyone of anything. He is loser!!!!

 

[aijalon18]

But it would be bad for his game. I'm sure he can tolerate him a bit longer. Getting rid of Russell would not help him at this point at all. And this "I hate Russell" thing could be an act. The thing with Ronnie is he lies so much you never know how he truly feels about anyone.

 

[TheGM27]

Am I the only one who likes Jeff/Jordan/Laura/Casey/Michele?! I don’t like Jessie/Natalie/Russell and for the life of me, I HATE Chima/Lydia/Kevin.

 

[Aratron]

Am I the only one who likes Jeff/Jordan/Laura/Casey/Michele?!

No, I like them too, especially Laura. The only one from those who I don't care about much is Jeff because of his comments

 

[TheGM27]

No, I like them too, especially Laura. The only one from those who I don't care about much is Jeff because of his comments

Jeff is like that jock in high school who would act tough, but when you finally got to know him you really really really like. ( Dave Ortega)

 

[aijalon18]

No he doesn't. He was telling them that to keep them from eating him alive. He knows that Russell will explode and he hasn't the balls to face that. As much as I dislike Russell, I dislike Jeff, Jordan, Laura more and Ronnie way more. Jeff can't get rid of Russell except to campaign to have him gone and he is not that good at convinving anyone of anything. He is loser!!!!

I concur wholeheartedly. I dislike them more than the Jocks too. The way they carried on like Braden was the amazing guy who was cheated was ridiculous. It would be one thing if they were upset that they needed him for their game but they act like Jesus was evicted. pathetic. I dont like Casey either. He's such a crabby bastard. I cant believe he is a dj and a teacher he is such a downer.

It's weird but I'm actually starting to warm to the jocks a bit. I dont have the feeds so I only see clips. I think their bully tactics are nuts. But in a lot of the clips Ive seen they are kinda likeable. There was a part last night where Russell, Chima, Nat, and Jessie were talkin about the live show and they were really relaxed and fun. Russell and Chima were actually getting kinda cozy. They were kinda cute together surprisingly. Jessie also has several moments when he is pleasant and sweet. He still revolves all conversations around himself in some way but he's not this horrible monster.

The other people just bitch and bitch about how they are the good ones because they wanted to keep Braden. As if that makes them good. Nobody in the game is good the ones. They have a neverending moan about how Ronnie is a liar. DUH. This is not the honesty game. They have no organization or coherent strategy. The jocks have a bad one but at least it's unified. They are still so obsessed with the vote not going their way. They needa get over it and think of something new. Their genius idea to tell Chima that Ronnie lied about his vote to evict her was silly because his lie saved her and exposed them for being against her. Idiots!

 

[beachhouse]

It seems to me your unfairly judging Laura and Casey.
I haven't seen much of Casey being a "crabby bastard".

 

[joesman]

Jeff is like that jock in high school who would act tough, but when you finally got to know him you really really really like. ( Dave Ortega)

Jeff is a homophobe. He has used the term 'fag' and fucking faggots several times so he is no jock and he certainly isn't anyone i would ever admire or want to know. If you do then go ahead. Fantasize till your heart's content over a guy who thinks you are way beneath him.

 

[joesman]

It seems to me your unfairly judging Laura and Casey.
I haven't seen much of Casey being a "crabby bastard".

I don't have anything against Casey at this point. He knows the game and when to speak and when to shut up - he is just with the wrong people and I am talking Jordan also who used 'America's fag' speaking of Jessie.

 

[falconfan]

The same Jason who very pretty, mostly hung around with girls, and in his mid-20's and still a virgin? Just saying...

I hope you're not insinuating that a man who is pretty is more likely to be gay or that a persons physical appearance is evidence towards/indicator of his/her sexuality. Just saying...

 

[falconfan]

Memo to you...My balls are more remarkable than Dan.j/k. This does not prove Dan to be remarkable at all. I think Dan did have some good strategy to winning but I think he is given too much credit like some kind of god. This is a perfect example. There was no evidence that he was having some sort of inner turmoil or making a conscious choice not to argue. It makes more sense that he is simply not a confrontational person. Sometimes that's a strength and sometimes it's weakness. It served him well in his case. it's quite easy not to argue when it is not your personality to be aggressive in that way.

I disagree. It's never a weakness to act like a calm reasonable person instead of just shouting and refusing to listen to the other side's statements. Never. It's also much harder to retaliate against attacks with forgivness than we other attacks.

Michele wasnt insane for voting for Chima but I think she was voting emotionally because they had arguments. If she was voting for strategy that would be one thing. But I dont think that was the case. Wasnt it because of some kind of toilet fight?

While I can understand why Chima is so upset, she's not doing herself any favors with this outburst. I think it only hurt her.

I think it did make strategic sense for Michele to go with what she felt was the majority in trying to root out the jocks. Chima and Ronnie, as she poitned out... where always running around behind her back dealing and talking with the Jocks. She was the Jeff of the Brains group. Remember the SECOND Jessie said I want to put someone up as a pawn Ronnie said "I think Michele would be a great pawn"

What you have to count on in BB is that if you're up against someone else in your group, which happens in BB because HOH nominates two people from the same group, that you can beat them. So for people to like Michele or Laura who are currently in a dominant group but an expendable role to make moves that put them in a core spot of a new majority to me is very good strategy. Had the plan gone through I think they'd each be in far better positions than had it simply been a 10 V 0 or 10 V 2 vote to evict Braden.

 

[TheGM27]

Jeff is a homophobe. He has used the term 'fag' and fucking faggots several times so he is no jock and he certainly isn't anyone i would ever admire or want to know. If you do then go ahead. Fantasize till your heart's content over a guy who thinks you are way beneath him.

Okay, I will! Thank you for your approval.

 

[aijalon18]

Michele is growing on me too. but she needs to step away from that big group. She needs to drop Jordan and Jeff, get Laura and Casey on her side and maybe pry Kevin away from Lydia. I think that would be good for her. Although her and Chima made up, I'm not sure they could work together.

 

[TheGM27]

It seems the "Have/Have Not" competition has been running for nearly two hours.

 

[falconfan]

As far as Dan I really dont think he is that complicated or sophisicated where he is above fighting that way. I think he is just afraid of conflict. I dont think it is necessary to shout profanities to settle things and people should behave that way either. But sometimes you have to have a loud voice and I dont think Dan has the balls to do that.

"Having a loud voice" doesn't need to literally mean having a loud voice though. Just shouting or getting in shouting matches doesn't make you important or right. Dan proved that he had a loud voice week one of BB 10 when he voted to keep Brian in the face of what could've been certain doom. You know what that tells me... Dan stands up for what he believes in. Had Dan been HOH Brian wouldn't have even been the veto nominee because Dan is not afraid to 'have a loud voice' in the face of threats or people shouting in his face. THAT is an admirable trait. Having the courage of your convictions is admirable be willing to stoop to the level of screaming like you're Bill fucking O'Reily is not.

 

[aijalon18]

I disagree. It's never a weakness to act like a calm reasonable person instead of just shouting and refusing to listen to the other side's statements. Never. It's also much harder to retaliate against attacks with forgivness than we other attacks.

I think we are on different schedules. by the time you disagree with me I have often come to a different place. But in this case I havent changed my mind.

I never said being calm and reasonable is a weakness. I said being afraid of confrontation can be a weakness. You cant get through all situations by sitting down on a couch and being polite and respectful. The world is not a CBS studio. It is crazy, irrational, and dangerous. Being afraid of real confrontation could put you in a bad place.

 

[blake16]

This show is quickly driving me nuts. The losers with egos are starting to win against the reasonable people who happen to lose at challenges. The entertainment factor quickly diminishes.

 

[falconfan]

Has anyone seen the awesomely uncomfortable interview Julie does with Braden (shown this morning)? She's too timid to ask him outright, but she basically does ask him, and he dodges and shifts uncomfortably. You guys have to watch this. It's also disgusting that he clearly doesn't think he said anything wrong, and he even says "They deserved it." I mean it's one thing to make a bigoted remark in the heat of the moment, but to not even realize afterwards that it was the wrong thing to say?

I don't really agree with Kennylicious' post (a few pages back) that someone can make bigoted comments and not necessarily be a bigot. I think it's true that they may not be an all-round horrible person, but it certainly means they're a bigot. However, Braden's inability to cop to -- and apologize for -- what he said in this interview only further confirms it: Braden is a racist. And an inarticulate douchebag.

I'm not sorry at all that his racist ass got evicted.

Wow... that's just.... wow Where do they find these people?

 

[falconfan]

I know a lot of people here want the jocks to go down, but let's be realistic. It makes no sense whatsoever for Ronnie to backdoor one of those Jocks. The Jocks are the only ones who have any faith left in him. No one in their right mind would do that to prove himself to people who have no power. He is really in a position where he does not have to go through with any of their outrageous ideas to prove himself to them. That would be best for them not him. It would be best for him to put up Casey and Jeff.

It's true because of teh stupid moves Ronnie made earlier and the stupider move of winnign HOH despite guaranteed immunity he has no one to depend on other than bowing to the every demands of the jocks. I think the best thing for him ot do would be to put up Casey. Jordan, Laura and Jeff will continue to be attacked by the jocks but Casey could float back to neutral given time. I don't know who to put up agaisnt him. I really don't think it's smart for him to try and continue the 'wasn't me' routine because everyone knows it was him and if he can't pick up on their awareness of that than DAMN this is not the game for him. If he does keep it up though he needs to put up Laura and try and frame her for the 'ratting'