The Official "Big Brother 11" Discussion Thread!

[falconfan]

Anyway on to BB11, I am disappointed that Lab Lady is getting the boot, but I don't dislike Kevin like some of you and in fact I think he's played a better game than Lab Lady. No matter how this week turned out, I knew I was fucked when Natalie won HOH because it meant either Kevin or Lab Lady would be evicted.

The only chance Lab Lady has now is to convince Kevin that he needs her. Since he thinks Natalie is a threat for jury votes -- and he can't evict her himself -- he's going to need someone to beat her in the Final HOH and take him to the end and that's far more likely to be Lab Lady than Jordan. Also, Jordan and Natalie have a bond whereas Lab Lady and Natalie do not. If Kevin evicts Lab Lady, there's no reason for Natalie to try to win the last HOH because she knows both Kevin and Jordan will take her to the end.

Neither of these points are unassailable but if Lab Lady pitches it right, she could sell Kevin on it. I mean fuck, Erika did the seemingly impossible by getting Janelle to keep her over Will so clearly anything is possible. The only reason I'm not hopeful is because Erika actually had game and powers of persuasion; Lab Lady is lovely but she has neither of those things.

QUite frankly I love Michele but I doubt she has it in her. She has too short a time to do this in already told Jordan she won't campaign and has a colossal task infront of her, convincing a very reasonable person that doing somethign unreasonable is best for him. She's not hte best player and she hasn't had the most solid game. Although every time he's in diary Kevin pretends to not trust Natalie I just don't see it reflected in his behavior. If there's even the slightest chance of Kevin helping her it woudl take HEAVY DR influence and Kevin's smart enough to be wary of them. She just can't pull an Erika out of this . She doesn't have it in her to break up the duo.

 

[NotAlice]

I'm both glad and disappointed at the same time that Kevin is staying and Michele is probably leaving this week. The most disapointing moment though this week was watching that HOH slip through Michele's fingers (ESPECIALLY since it was the one she definitely should've won). The fact that Natalie won was just like a slap in the fucking face. God.

Kevin definitely should evict Jordan though because there's zero chance of her taking him to Final 2 over the other girls. Especially since he got rid of Jeff, I can definitely see her eliminate Kev at final 3 for revenge. Jeff would seriously LOVE for that to happen. Michele would probably not take Kevin to final 2, but she's a better chance than Jordan. And Natalie will most likely take Kevin.

I'd like for Jordan to make it, just cause Matthews is right down the street from where I grew up, but she's also the nicest, most deserving person left (personality-wise), certainly not game-wise. For some reason I think it's possible she could beat Kevin and Natalie just because of her personality. She'd probably not get Jessie, Natalie/Kevin or Lydia, but she'd definitely get America, Jeff and Michele, with Russell's vote being the swing.

 

[NotAlice]

Also if Kenny leaves then I don't think I can go on posting.

This thread is all I really come here for and if there's no Kenny, there's no thread.

 

[Bidude117]

Awww Kenny.

Thank you for everything you've done in this thread. You're the best, man! Don't let crazy people drive you away from the rest of us. Big Brother wouldn't be the same without your constant updates and your opinions.

You'll be missed. If you leave, then I'm done too.

What a sad ending to this Big Brother season.

 

[falconfan]

Oh I agree, I think Jordan could STILL win this whole thing if she made it to the end. She'll have Jeff and America for sure, and she's almost sure to get Lab Lady. All she'll need is one more vote and think about it:

1) If it's Jordan vs Natalie, Jordan could totally get both Lydia and Russell, both of whom made it clear in the last episode that they don't care for Natalie and don't want to vote for her.

2) If it's Jordan vs Kevin, Jordan might still be able to get Russell. He's so bipolar and I could see him voting for her as a put-down of the floater game (which Kevin represents and players like Russ despise that tactic) and as a mea-culpa for the fat remark, which Russell quickly tried to neutralize on eviction night and in his post-interview with Julie.

Jordan could still win the whole bag of cash (that's just how this game rolls) but her chances of getting to the finals depend on whether or not Natalie throws any of the Final HOH comps.

Jordan's not goign to win out of respect. She needs to win by people not liking or respecting the person she's next to. As her coming across as the better of two evils. Seeing as Jessie hates Kevin and Lydia hates Natalie and both are trying to pretend they don't and Russel got along with Jordan most of the time I'd say she might have a good shot but Jordan will shoot herself in the foot. She's still REALLY offended by Russels comments and probably will be snippy to him in questioning.

 

[aijalon18]

How can people who call themselves Big Brother fans want Jordan to win? It's like throwing a childish tantrum. My favorites didnt win so now I want the person who played a better game than them to lose. Talk about sore losers. Jordan has done nothing in this game. She wasnt even an active floater like Danielle or Erika. She was merely Jeff's dick cozy. Some people are saying she should should win because she's nice? WTF? If you want Nat and Kevin to lose out of spite then that makes you just as bad as many of you claim Natalie is.

 

[falconfan]

Alright, alright, alright...

I went to bed last night completely annoyed and pissed off, and I woke up this morning to 764 PM's in my inbox, LoL. (Okay, not that many, but you get the point...) I can't tell you all how much I appreciate the love. I enjoy posting here with all of you -- it's one of the highlights of my summer. As much as you say Big Brother wouldn't be the same without me, I say Big Brother wouldn't be the same without you.

Last night, I was severely upset. Not about the show or the POV or any of that. I think we all know what triggered my anger. I'm generally a cool, calm and collected guy, but it infuriates me like no other when people try to make ridiculous insinuations that attack my personal character for no reason whatsoever. I find it very offensive. It is so beyond pathetic to even suggest that the members in this thread "have issues" with gay people and their own sexuality just because some of them (myself included) wanted a straight person to win a competition. I mean... really? That's such a bogus argument, it's not even funny. After dealing with this same issue in another thread several months ago, I couldn't believe he was trying to throw that tired insinuation in my face again. Not to mention all the other members he aimed it at as well. He knew it pissed me off before, and I fully believe that he brought it up again just to bait me and piss me off once more. In other words... non-stop shit-stirring. A miserable person stopping and nothing to make other people miserable too. After months of playing nice and trying to bite my tongue, I was just DONE.

I honestly had no intention of posting here again after last night. I had thrown in the towel and declared defeat and I meant it. One of my biggest annoyances is when people cry wolf and claim they're leaving the board just to get attention, and that was the last thing I wanted to do. However, after sleeping on it (and reading all your messages), I've decided to grit my teeth and stay. I'll take your advice and simply put the "Ignore" function to good use. In most cases, I don't like ignoring people because I really enjoy reading what other members have to say -- even the ones I usually disagree with. However, some people are just begging for an argument, and in those cases, it really is better to simply click "ignore" and be done with it. I only wish is that the moderators would take a closer look at the problem and figure out who the common denominator is when it comes to the trouble in this thread, but I'm not holding my breath.

Anyway, thanks again for the messages, everyone. You're all very sweet.

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Summer is back Welcome back Kenny.

 

[Aratron]

How can people who call themselves Big Brother fans want Jordan to win? It's like throwing a childish tantrum. My favorites didnt win so now I want the person who played a better game than them to lose. Talk about sore losers. Jordan has done nothing in this game. She wasnt even an active floater like Danielle or Erika. She was merely Jeff's dick cozy. Some people are saying she should should win because she's nice? WTF? If you want Nat and Kevin to lose out of spite then that makes you just as bad as many of you claim Natalie is.

Are you serious? LOL You're the king of Exaggerations.

Yes, I want Jordan and Michelle to win because they didn't spend the whole season making fool of other people and being hypocrites

 

[jonnyj]

Natalie has played a great game, but her behavior and attitude is what stinks. You can play the game without having to be mean, cruel, childish, and just plain rude. Kevin has done things that raised my eyebrows, particularly the way he talks and treats Michele.

 

[jonnyj]

Ugh. Apparently Kevin and Natalie were plotting last night to put bleach in Michele's contact solution.

Vile bitches. Both of them.

This is what Im saying. So for the person who continues to post that dislike for Kevin=self-loathing, they need to pay attention.

 

[aijalon18]

Are you serious? LOL You're the king of Exaggerations.

Yes, I want Jordan and Michelle to win because they didn't spend the whole season making fool of other people and being hypocrites

I get wanting Michelle to win. She's worked her ass off. But what has Jordan done? she's not even that nice. She and Jeff trashed Michelle on several occasions behind her back. Which is even worse because they are supposed to be her friends.

Kevin and Nat were never friends of Michelle's in this game and never claimed to be. Plus regardless of how you personally feel about Chima they were both very close to her. If someone backstabbed your friend the way Michelle did to Chima you'd prolly be very upset.

 

[aijalon18]

I dont think everyone has to automatically support Kevin because he is gay.But if there is a gay guy who is playing by the rules of the game and kicking ass why not support him? But I think some people just feel there is a little self-loathing going on because of how much hatred Kevin is getting for doing the same things as other people. I think most of Kevin's hate is because he wasnt on the side of the "good" people. But there was really no way for him to do that. This isnt a team game anyway. It's about building relationships that will take you to end. People need to put their emotional attachment aside and think of the strategy. It's like those annoying bitter jury members (Janelle) who dont vote for stratgists just because they "got got".

Plus the insults toward Michelle are part strategy. People try to focus on how bad other people are to take the target off themselves. It's like what they did to Jen BB8. She wasnt this awful person but the houseguests focused their energy on hating her so she would be Dick's target instead of themselves. It is not the nicest thing but I can see why people do it.

 

[aijalon18]

Personally, I don't "hate" Kevin any more than I hated Jessie, Natalie, Chima, Jeff, Jordan, Russell or any of the others. It has nothing to do with self loathing and nothing to do with his (or my) sexuality. I just don't like some of the things I hear coming out of his mouth lately. That doesn't mean I don't support him though. In fact, once Michele is gone, I hope Kevin takes takes home the top prize.

I'm not saying it is self-loathing. I was saying how some people could perceive it that way. I dont remember your issues with Kevin in particular but some people seemed to be bringing is sexuality into a lot of their insults about Kevin. I thought that you specifically didnt support Kevin because he wasnt with the people you liked.

I just dont want this whole thing to get blown way outta proportion and have the mods have to get involved when the season is almost over.

 

[joesman]

Oh, what the fuck ever.

Me not wanting Kevin to win the POV has nothing to do with his sexuality or how I perceive myself as a gay man. Are we really back to this bullshit? REALLY? First you called me a homophobe in the American Idol thread for not wanting Adam Lambert to win and now I'm a bad homosexual for not wanting Kevin to win the Power of Veto? Get out of here with that shit. Why the fuck do you feel the need to throw this crap around in every thread you post in? We're not evil gays just because we're not in love with every gay reality show contestant that's presented to us. Your insinuations are tired and you're fucking ridiculous.

Ahem... but I digress...

The reason I'm not crazy about Kevin is because I feel like Natalie's nastiness has rubbed off on him. I'm simply not a fan of the company he keeps. Chalk it up to personal preference. I never said that he was worse than all the others. In fact, all I said was that he's equally as vile as all the rest. No better, no worse. Simply right on par. I also think he's phony from time to time. None of these things have anything to do with his sexuality though... and at the end of the day, I hope he wins the show if Michele can't.

Did it ever occur to you that most of us didn't want Kevin winning the POV because we just don't want Michele to get the boot? It has nothing to do with Kevin's sexuality, nor does it have anything to do with our own. We simply like Michele and don't want to see her get the boot. That's all there is to it. So you can take your ridiculous insinuations and shove them up your ass.

You got mad here because you took that little thing I said about it being sad how some people reacted to Kev's win. That was at the end of my post and had nothing to do with you. It had to do with a couple of other people who called him a faggot and those people who were quitting the show because he won POV. So your getting bent out of shape was totally out of context to what I wrote.


And I know people wanted Mich to win, though I don't get all the Mich love since she is a lousy player, and a whiney crybaby, and backed people who openly ridiculed her.

 

[jonnyj]

I dont think everyone has to automatically support Kevin because he is gay.But if there is a gay guy who is playing by the rules of the game and kicking ass why not support him? But I think some people just feel there is a little self-loathing going on because of how much hatred Kevin is getting for doing the same things as other people. I think most of Kevin's hate is because he wasnt on the side of the "good" people. But there was really no way for him to do that. This isnt a team game anyway. It's about building relationships that will take you to end. People need to put their emotional attachment aside and think of the strategy. It's like those annoying bitter jury members (Janelle) who dont vote for stratgists just because they "got got".

Plus the insults toward Michelle are part strategy. People try to focus on how bad other people are to take the target off themselves. It's like what they did to Jen BB8. She wasnt this awful person but the houseguests focused their energy on hating her so she would be Dick's target instead of themselves. It is not the nicest thing but I can see why people do it.

Insults are one thing but trying to destroy someone's property and treating her like some type of disease isnt strategy its childish and pathetic.

 

[Bidude117]

I dont think everyone has to automatically support Kevin because he is gay.But if there is a gay guy who is playing by the rules of the game and kicking ass why not support him? But I think some people just feel there is a little self-loathing going on because of how much hatred Kevin is getting for doing the same things as other people. I think most of Kevin's hate is because he wasnt on the side of the "good" people. But there was really no way for him to do that. This isnt a team game anyway. It's about building relationships that will take you to end. People need to put their emotional attachment aside and think of the strategy. It's like those annoying bitter jury members (Janelle) who dont vote for stratgists just because they "got got".

Plus the insults toward Michelle are part strategy. People try to focus on how bad other people are to take the target off themselves. It's like what they did to Jen BB8. She wasnt this awful person but the houseguests focused their energy on hating her so she would be Dick's target instead of themselves. It is not the nicest thing but I can see why people do it.

The fact that you can't understand WHY some people have issues with Kevin is fucking beyond me. I mean, really, really?!?! Do you even read the messages people write?

How the hell is pouring bleach into someone's contact lens soluation, good game play?! How is stealing her personal property before HOH/POV competitions even acceptable in your eyes?! That is not "strategy", my friend, that's just pure evil and they really are sore losers. The reason why most people don't like Kevin is that fact that he's aligned himself with that pathetic bitch, Natalie, and for some of the shit he says and does in the house. NOT because we hate ourselves for being gay and thus, we hate all gays. (as you and your friend have stated before)

Man, I wish there was a BB JUB Edition so we could start voting some people off.

 

[falconfan]

Ugh. Apparently Kevin and Natalie were plotting last night to put bleach in Michele's contact solution.

Vile bitches. Both of them.

UGH that's just so disgusting and wrong. I hope they try it and get scolded by BB. Can someone give htese mother fuckers some microphones and hot tubs so they can take after queen Chima and get themselves expelled.

 

[aijalon18]

The fact that you can't understand WHY some people have issues with Kevin is fucking beyond me. I mean, really, really?!?! Do you even read the messages people write?

How the hell is pouring bleach into someone's contact lens soluation, good game play?! How is stealing her personal property before HOH/POV competitions even acceptable in your eyes?! That is not "strategy", my friend, that's just pure evil and they really are sore losers. The reason why most people don't like Kevin is that fact that he's aligned himself with that pathetic bitch, Natalie, and for some of the shit he says and does in the house. NOT because we hate ourselves for being gay and thus, we hate all gays. (as you and your friend have stated before)

Man, I wish there was a BB JUB Edition so we could start voting some people off.

Calm down. I didnt know about this bleach business. I dont have the feeds. I check Jokers from time to time. Apparently this bleach thing is fairly recent. If this is true that is crazy. They could seriously fuck up her eyes.

But I honestly think Kevin has been getting unfair treatment by board members long before this bleach thing. Most of those comments have calling him him bitch and fag and queen and that is what I took issue with.

 

[Bidude117]

But I honestly think Kevin has been getting unfair treatment by board members long before this bleach thing. Most of those comments have calling him him bitch and fag and queen and that is what I took issue with.

How do you even know that? Do you even read this thread anymore? Or is it all in your head, because I haven't seen such things.

Also, who are these people calling him a bitch, fag, or a queen? I'd really like to know!

 

[joesman]

How do you even know that? Do you even read this thread anymore? Or is it all in your head, because I haven't seen such things.

Also, who are these people calling him a bitch, fag, or a queen? I'd really like to know!

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So obviously you don't read the posts on this thread because even the Nik called the person on calling Kev a faggot.