The Official "Big Brother 12" Discussion Thread!

[Sgt Pepper]

Part one is complete. Brendon has won the POV. Now Matt and Ragan just need to convince Brit to put up Hayden and this week will go as I had hoped more or less.

Same here. I've lost faith in Brit, but if she can just stick with her Matt/Ragan alliance -- which is BETTER for her in the long run rather than doing the Brigades' dirty work this week -- then we could see Enzo go, and Brit won't be in a terrible position next week. She absolutely HAS to put up Hayden to accomplish this though.

Also collectively Brit and Brendon have on 6/7 POVs. It would be fairly amusing to me if they could veto themselves to the final 3.

As much as I don't like Brendan, I would love to see a Brit/Brendan F2 (if only because, Britney could then get every vote but Rachel's) and it would be kinda cool to see two comp threats team up in the end game to go all the way. They're both 2 POVs away from the all-time record (5) held by Janelle, BB6/BB7 James, and Daniele Donato.

 

[falconfan]

Same here. I've lost faith in Brit, but if she can just stick with her Matt/Ragan alliance -- which is BETTER for her in the long run rather than doing the Brigades' dirty work this week -- then we could see Enzo go, and Brit won't be in a terrible position next week. She absolutely HAS to put up Hayden to accomplish this though.



As much as I don't like Brendan, I would love to see a Brit/Brendan F2 (if only because, Britney could then get every vote but Rachel's) and it would be kinda cool to see two comp threats team up in the end game to go all the way. They're both 2 POVs away from the all-time record (5) held by Janelle, BB6/BB7 James, and Daniele Donato.

Well they're both gonna need 'em. Because Matt's plan is to ride Ragan to the end. Ragan will gladly take him. Hayden and Enzo and Brendon are just as much snuggle buddies and Lane... well Lane doesn't seem to be playing.

 

[aijalon18]

As much as I don't like Brendan, I would love to see a Brit/Brendan F2 (if only because, Britney could then get every vote but Rachel's) and it would be kinda cool to see two comp threats team up in the end game to go all the way. They're both 2 POVs away from the all-time record (5) held by Janelle, BB6/BB7 James, and Daniele Donato.

Britney def does not have everyone's vote except Rachel's. The only votes she would for sure have are Matt and Ragan. Despite the "flirting", Lane does not have her back and has thrown her under the bus constantly. The other boys actually do like Brendon. And Kathy is def not her friend. Brendon would beat her. And he deserves to she's screwed herself.

 

[falconfan]

No he won't. None of them like Brendon. Plus he's just the kind of moron who would give a speech like 'you should vote for me because that's what Rachel would want also I've like proved to be like an uprgith human being unlike you guys."

 

[Sgt Pepper]

Aijalon, do you have access to the feeds? Because its pretty obvious NO ONE likes Brendan. The guys are just using Brendan to get further in the game. If anything Enzo and Hayden realize that "accidentally" winding up in the finals with Brendan would be good for either one of them because...NO ONE likes Brendan.

This isn't about personal preference. I like Britney but I've bean very critical of her gameplay and bad decisions this week. I know you like Brendan and Rachel (or don't hate them or whatever) but the fact is, Brendan is a drip to be around and everyone in the House pretty much can't stand him.

This is very important to realize in games of social strategy. Watching someone on TV and having to live with them are two different things. Lane throws Britney under the bus to his buddies, sure. It advances his own game to trash her when others are doing so. But there's a difference between game moves and likability and the way Lane/Enzo/Hayden interact with Britney vs the way they interact with Brendan is VERY different, and very telling.

Anyone paying close attention for example, could tell that Dan had an advantage over Memphis in Season 10 simply because of the particulars of interaction. Memphis was cold and aloof, while Dan spent quality time with houseguests. Brenchel are like the Donatos in Season 8 (in terms of the way the House perceives them): an obnoxious, strong twosome that no one in the House can stand. That didn't prevent different houseguests from teaming up with them for game purposes, but we already know that had Zach gotten to the finals with either of them, he would have won in a 6-1 vote (the jury outright told him this when he joined the jury). And Zach btw, was even LESS liked that Brit during the game. People choose between unattractive options and to the House, the Donatos were the MOST unattractive option. Same with Brenchel this year.

It's also pretty obvious that EVERYONE has been trashing Rachel and Brendan in the Diary Room for weeks now. That kinda thing comes into play when juries vote for a winner.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

Oh and let's not forget the fact that the entire House created a game called "Trapped" which was basically about whomever was the pour soul who got trapped last in a room with Brendan and/or Rachel after everyone else had filed out. I know there are Brenchel fans out there but to the House, Rachel and Brendan are the joke of the season. Like it or not, but these two isolated themselves for most of the game, and annoyed the house constantly. Neither one of them could win against any other houseguest.

 

[falconfan]

I still am going to be interested to see what Britney does. I think she's going to foolishly BD Matt. Before veto even played Lane tried to get her to agree to it according to Jokers and she told him that she didn't feel comfortable doing that because Brendon would target her next week if he won. So she has at least some gut instinct in knowing that I just hope that she can stick to it.

Likewise Lane needs to look at his OWN situation. He's oddman out in the Hay/Enz pairing maybe even further back than Brendon at this point. It might even be in hsi best interest to go to F4 with M/R/Brit. I mean he's beat any of them in a final 4. Brit lacks the foresight NOT to bring him and she'd likely get evicted before him as she's more of a competition threat.

 

[aijalon18]

^I dont like Brendan and Rachel. I respect her as a competitor but she's a psycho hosebeast. And I always thought Brendon had horrible instincts and is the weak link in their union. He's a damn fool. I'm not rooting for him. I'm not rooting for any of these fools. I just dont want Ragan or Matt to win.

You saying Britney would for sure beat him is indeed personal preference. She does not have a lock on votes at all. Just b/cthe brigade boys make fun of Brendon doesnt mean they wouldnt vote for him. Besides Matt none of them even have reason to hate him. They are prolly just saying that to make it look like he is their target. Plus I think they would respect that Brendon made it to the end against all odds.

And we all know, women never win against men in the end. The girls are usually so bitter, jealous and catty. and the guys often have a hard time giving females credit for outplaying them.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

^I dont like Brendan and Rachel. I respect her as a competitor but she's a psycho hosebeast. And I always thought Brendon had horrible instincts and is the weak link in their union. He's a damn fool. I'm not rooting for him. I'm not rooting for any of these fools. I just dont want Ragan or Matt to win.

Fair enough.

You saying Britney would for sure beat him is indeed personal preference.

No it's not. It's a logical prediction based on what I've seen on the feeds, heard in the Diary Room, and witnessed as a pattern over 12 seasons of this show. And I elucidated all of those in my initial post.

She does not have a lock on votes at all.

It's not that she has a lock. I don't think Britney could win against many of the people left in the House. But she can absolutely win against Brendan because ANY ONE OF THEM can win against Brendan. It's not a matter of Person X or Person Y liking her or not. There will only be two options, and the jury will have to choose one and -- generally speaking -- juries will not vote for someone they absolutely do not like. And Brendan is that person.

Besides Matt none of them even have reason to hate him.

I repeat, there is a difference between game moves and likability. They don't have game reasons to dislike Brendan but they dislike him PERSONALLY. He's REALLY not liked, dude. Like at all. He's a drip, he talks constantly about himself, he's arrogant before competitions, and he has trouble really connecting with people in the House. They can't stand him. It's very obvious.

They are prolly just saying that to make it look like he is their target.

They've also been saying it all season in the DR where they have no reason to lie. Haven't you noticed how often the entire House chimes in during a competition to make fun of Brendan and Rachel? It's just how the House feels, there's no getting around that, and Brenchel have no one to blame but themselves for alienating the whole House.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

I still am going to be interested to see what Britney does. I think she's going to foolishly BD Matt.

I think so too and if she does that, she will likely be sealing her own fate.

Likewise Lane needs to look at his OWN situation. He's oddman out in the Hay/Enz pairing maybe even further back than Brendon at this point. It might even be in hsi best interest to go to F4 with M/R/Brit.

I agree. Lane has done a good job of laying low but I don't think he has any game beyond "Stay out of Conflict." Both Lane and Britney are pretty bad at long-term strategy and game-planning and it could cost them both.

Plus he's just the kind of moron who would give a speech like 'you should vote for me because that's what Rachel would want also I've like proved to be like an uprgith human being unlike you guys."

Yup. Brendan is exactly the kind of self-aggrandizing douche who would play the "I played with integrity" card that sinks EVERY player who uses that argument on Survivor or Big Brother.

 

[TaggedGalaxy]

I love Brit but I don't understand her gameplay, she isn't playing to win. She is burning way too many bridges and at this point in the game that is something you do not want to do. You would think Britney being such a huge fan of the show would be playing a better game, but past seasons have shown that the fans are usually the worst players.

 

[Lostlover]

^I dont like Brendan and Rachel. I respect her as a competitor but she's a psycho hosebeast. And I always thought Brendon had horrible instincts and is the weak link in their union. He's a damn fool. I'm not rooting for him. I'm not rooting for any of these fools. I just dont want Ragan or Matt to win.

You saying Britney would for sure beat him is indeed personal preference. She does not have a lock on votes at all. Just b/cthe brigade boys make fun of Brendon doesnt mean they wouldnt vote for him. Besides Matt none of them even have reason to hate him. They are prolly just saying that to make it look like he is their target. Plus I think they would respect that Brendon made it to the end against all odds.

And we all know, women never win against men in the end. The girls are usually so bitter, jealous and catty. and the guys often have a hard time giving females credit for outplaying them.

Couldn't have said it better myself. This year and that dull year Dan won are two years I didn't give a damn who stood at the end as long as X wasn't standing there.

Brendon isn't so bad now without Rachel? He's so much more tame. I don't know if that's strategy or not.

 

[joesman]

Brit being chained to Brendan for 24 hours might open some light holes for her and she could make a deal with him. She has a better chance to win against him than she does with Matt, Lane, Hayden or Enzo. Brendan has kept his word when he gave it, and I just think he is more trustworthy than anyone else. But, again, it could be the fact that she dislikes Brendan and won't take any deal he offers. And Brendan has reason not to trust Brit since she went back on her word to him.

All the guys think Enzo would win if they were up against him so he may be toast (I hope). The brigade members would not, however , pass up a chance to vote out Matt.

 

[joesman]

The thing with Matt and Ragan and Brit harping on Brenchel for falling in love so quickly, isn't that exactly what Ragan has done while being led by the cockring by Matt? There is not an iota of difference except Brenchel actually is having a 2 way affair while Ragan is trapped in a love affair with a married little person that is one sided and full of deceit by Matt, the lying pig.

Ragan was locked away by himself "I vant to be alone" in his bedroom space.

And, what happened to BB letting them go to bed while the show is on AD? Previous years they had to stay up. But Ragan and Enzo spend a lot of time in bed. Ragan because he is an emotional mess and can't figure out where everything went wrong and will find out the big picture once the show is over. Enzo is just always "I'm tired,".

 

[Adrock-JD]

Ragan, Enzo, Hayden all a total waste of space this season.

Lane is getting more interesting as I hear him talk but he needs to win something.
He told Ragan that if he goes home he'll break Brendon's leg so he can't win anymore, at least. lol. He's told everyone that.

Brendon and Britney are the strong players.

Matt should've put Brendon and Rachel up his first hoh week. He deserves to go to the jury house just for that move alone.

Enzo complaining like mad about having to wear the penguin suit all week. He says he may not even use his planned speech on thurs because of being in the suit, why bother.

Britney and Brendon are working well together, being handcuffed for 24hrs. I'm surprised. Brendon having to submerse himself in ice cold chum 24 times is an awful punishment. I actually feel sorry for him. That's more along the lines of something Survivor would play.

 

[falconfan]

Brendon's Jokers ratings have increased notably since Rachel left. He's just more likable on own.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

Brit being chained to Brendan for 24 hours might open some light holes for her and she could make a deal with him. She has a better chance to win against him than she does with Matt, Lane, Hayden or Enzo. Brendan has kept his word when he gave it, and I just think he is more trustworthy than anyone else. But, again, it could be the fact that she dislikes Brendan and won't take any deal he offers. And Brendan has reason not to trust Brit since she went back on her word to him.

I agree with all of this. If Brendan wins HOH during double eviction and nominates Britney, she has no one to blame but herself. It was in her best interest to keep her deal with him this week and take out Enzo/Hayden instead and she blew it. If being chained to Brendan allows them to form some sort of alliance -- wherein she realizes he's a good shot for her to win the jury vote -- then maybe this week could be salvaged for her. But I don't have a lot of hope in her gameplay at this point, and I'll have even less if she does the absolutely stupidest thing possible and backdoors Matt (her ally) instead of one of the guys she needs to take out.

Brit is usually good at reading people, and yet, does she not realize that had Enzo won that HOH this week her ass would be on the block?

 

[joesman]

Brendon's Jokers ratings have increased notably since Rachel left. He's just more likable on own.

But, unfortunately, the people in the house still think he is just doing everyone's dirty work and none will admit to voting for him if he reaches final 2. That to me shows that the people who swore they would vote for the person who played the best game are actually playing a personal game. Ragan keeps talking about how Matt has played with such integrity when Matt has lied about his game and about his life. Ragan is blinded by his deep affection for Matt.

My feeling is just that if Brendan reaches f2 with anyone he should win the money because he has 3 Povs and an HoH and plays every competition to win, while Hayden, Enzo, and Lane have done little to nothing in comps. Ragan has won 1 PoV and spent such a huge amount of his time wailing in bed. Britney has played to win but has such difficulty making a big move. Matt, while is playing, is making idiot moves.

Hayden, Enzo and Lane are coasting and talk about how they want the final 4, f3, f2 like little boys talking about what they want to be when they grow up. So far it would be a farce for either of them or Ragan winning to f2 or winning the game.

 

[falconfan]

But, unfortunately, the people in the house still think he is just doing everyone's dirty work and none will admit to voting for him if he reaches final 2. That to me shows that the people who swore they would vote for the person who played the best game are actually playing a personal game. Ragan keeps talking about how Matt has played with such integrity when Matt has lied about his game and about his life. Ragan is blinded by his deep affection for Matt.

My feeling is just that if Brendan reaches f2 with anyone he should win the money because he has 3 Povs and an HoH and plays every competition to win, while Hayden, Enzo, and Lane have done little to nothing in comps. Ragan has won 1 PoV and spent such a huge amount of his time wailing in bed. Britney has played to win but has such difficulty making a big move. Matt, while is playing, is making idiot moves.

Hayden, Enzo and Lane are coasting and talk about how they want the final 4, f3, f2 like little boys talking about what they want to be when they grow up. So far it would be a farce for either of them or Ragan winning to f2 or winning the game.

I've never held not winning comps about a contestant. The thing is both Brendon and Brit have played HORRIBLE games socially. Brendon isolated himself for the first half of the game and Brit sees nothing more than who she feels like hanging out with more for another week. I can't call them 'good' players just because they win competitions that no one else is trying to win.

Hayden, Enzo, and Lane have been doing well socially. They have everyone duped. Brit was telling Lane yesterday she wants a final three deal with him and Hayden (more proof she's going to foolishly backdoor Matt.) What it comes down to is there are no well rounded gameplayers this year. Matt is the closest one to someone who come through on comps and tries to play the social game.

 

[aijalon18]

I've never held not winning comps about a contestant. The thing is both Brendon and Brit have played HORRIBLE games socially. Brendon isolated himself for the first half of the game and Brit sees nothing more than who she feels like hanging out with more for another week. I can't call them 'good' players just because they win competitions that no one else is trying to win.

Hayden, Enzo, and Lane have been doing well socially. They have everyone duped. Brit was telling Lane yesterday she wants a final three deal with him and Hayden (more proof she's going to foolishly backdoor Matt.) What it comes down to is there are no well rounded gameplayers this year. Matt is the closest one to someone who come through on comps and tries to play the social game.

I agree winning comps should not guarantee a victory. But I think it should certainly count for something. Throwing things can be a good strategy but not always. It gives you little power and you cant always influence the people in power to do exactly what you want. Winning competitions and making the decisions is a huge responsibility and should be rewarded. What would happen if everybody threw all challenges?

I agree Brendon and Britney have terrible social games and trust all the wrong people. But I dont think saving Matt would really be in her best interest. Matt has never really been on her side at all. He's never done anything for her or made her any promises. And as she pointed out he never asked for her vote. People just assume there was some Matt, Ragan, and Brit alliance but it was mostly them being in the have not room to together when Brit and Ragan were crying. Plus I think people want that to be an alliance but it's not.

We have seen it's Ragan and his bf Matt. ANd Ragan would glady throw Britney under the bus to save Matt any day. If she gets rid of Matt, it'll force Ragan to stick by her. He'll have no other options. As long as Matt is in the picture, Ragan is not gonna be looking out for Britney. Brit and Ragan will have to take each other to the end. They can't win against anyone else. And both of them are too immature and petty to consider taking Brendon.