The Official "Big Brother 12" Discussion Thread!

[Adrock-JD]

Hindsight is always 20/20.

Ragan's mouth did him more harm than good all season long.

Ragan probably should've played dumb regarding game knowledge. He probably shouldn't have trusted Matt so much, and his attack on Rachel wasn't wise considering she's in the jury and controls Brendon's vote as well.

Lane wanted Ragan gone from day one. The fact that he's nominated by Lane is just a given, regardless.

He never should've trusted any of the guys. The girls were his only hope and they're all gone but one. She can't save him now.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

Sigh, it's one thing that you don't have the feeds, but how can you be misremembering the show itself? Britney outright said in the DR that she had no interest in winning the last HOH endurance and therefore threw it because back then, the house wanted Rachel and Brendan out, Brendan had already fallen out of the competiton, and she said she didn't want to be the one to put up Brenchel since -- at that time -- Brenchel thought she was in their alliance. This isn't interpretation, it's RIGHT THERE in the episode if you want to go back and check.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

Also what does this have to do with wanting Britney to win? Did you even read our posts before going off on one of your (now typical) rabid, uncouth, illogical attacks? We said she's a good competitor and therefore they probably SHOULD HAVE EVICTED HER this week! LOL! You're so determined to attack, you didn't even catch that.

And anyway, it's almost impossible for her to win now. Maybe she has a shot against Lane or Ragan but it's far from guaranteed. Right now I'd say she's playing for second place.

 

[Salemite]

 

[Salemite]

Ooh, Lane just told Britney that Hayden's the one who took all the prizes in last week's POV competition! That's pretty big. Britney was really pissed about that.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

^^ Thanks for that Salemite!

Also, here's what I think the best moves for each player are this week. I'd be interested to hear what any of you (anyone else who deals in facts anyway) think. Mind you, this is not what I think these players will do -- or even what they're capable of doing (especially in Britney and Ragan's case) -- merely what I think they should do.

LANE
Best case scenario for Lane is to go to F3 with Britney and Enzo. To achieve that, he can't risk Ragan OR Hayden playing for F4 HOH and F4 POV so he has two options and I'm not sure which is better. He can evict Ragan this week (thereby not losing Hayden's vote on the jury) and try to rally Enzo & Britney against Hayden next week (on the grounds that no one can beat Hayden for jury votes). Or he can evict Hayden this week (he would need to convince even Enzo that none of them can beat Hayden in the finals) and then get out Ragan next week.

BRITNEY
She needs to convince Lane of his second option: that no one can beat Hayden for jury votes, and thus the three of them (Lane/Ragan/Britney) should work together, evict Hayden this week and try to get Enzo out next week (she's already sort of leaning in that direction from what I gather, no?) Best case scenario for Britney is to go to F3 with Lane and Ragan.

RAGAN
First he has to work Lane and Britney and get Hayden out, obviously. But then next week, he would need to play Lane/Britney and Enzo against each other. He'd have to "work" with Lane/Britney to take out Enzo, in case either of them wins F4 POV (on the grounds that Enzo is well-liked by the jury), but then also have a side alliance with Enzo, to take out Britney/Lane should Enzo/Ragan win POV (on the grounds that Lane & Britney are the new showmance and need to be split). Best case scenario for Ragan is to go to F3 with Britney and Enzo.

ENZO
He already blew his best move this week by not pushing Lane to put up Britney. He needed to split those two up and he failed. Now his best case scenario is to go to F3 with Hayden and anyone else. Since Enzo is also well liked, he can't be in F3 with any two of Lane/Ragan/Britney because it would make sense for the later two to work together and oust Enzo. His best shot is to do the "Will takes Janelle to F3" plan so you have NO CHOICE but to take Enzo to F2 because your only other option is Hayden. Therefore, he should evict Ragan this week and work with Hayden to split up Britney and Lane at F4.

HAYDEN
No one with any functioning brain should want to take Hayden to F2. So he just needs to get to F3 and win his way to the end. His best case scenario is actually to go F3 with Enzo and Lane, since their competition track record is much lousier than Ragan's and Britney's. Therefore, as long as he can survive this week, he should try to evict Britney next week. If she wins F4 HOH or F4 POV, he needs to switch gears and work with Enzo to evict Lane, because 1) you don't want to go into F3 with a couple and 2) Enzo and Hayden would have an incentive to work together since they're both well-liked and therefore both seen as jury threats.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

Ooh, Lane just told Britney that Hayden's the one who took all the prizes in last week's POV competition! That's pretty big. Britney was really pissed about that.

Huh. Maybe Lane has more game than I thought.

Even if he's not planning on evicting Hayden, the fact that he's willing to sell him out like this means Lane may not be Memphis 2.0 (i.e. marching to the finals with someone he has no chance of beating).

 

[aijalon18]

Sigh, it's one thing that you don't have the feeds, but how can you be misremembering the show itself? Britney outright said in the DR that she had no interest in winning the last HOH endurance and therefore threw it because back then, the house wanted Rachel and Brendan out, Brendan had already fallen out of the competiton, and she said she didn't want to be the one to put up Brenchel since -- at that time -- Brenchel thought she was in their alliance. This isn't interpretation, it's RIGHT THERE in the episode if you want to go back and check.

I know she said that but she wouldnt have won anyway. She sucked so bad at the first one. Why would anyone think she'd all of a sudden be good at endurance? Plus it's easy to say you threw a comp when you lost.

Her record speaks for itself. She sucks at anything remotely physical and only won trivia when no one was left besides meathead guys. She is NOT a good competitor, cant make a decent decision to save her life, and is only there now b/c actual good competitors were bigger targets.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

If she's a bad competitor, then the people she beat to win 3 POVs and 1 HOH are even worse competitors, so the point remains that her track record is better than Hayden's, Lane's and Enzo's. This isn't Survivor, competitions are rarely athletic. And she didn't just win one Trivia; she won a POV endurance that Monet, Brendan and Rachel all wanted to win (despite your unreliable recollection of events, "everyone" didn't throw that comp), and she won two skill comps (bowling and pinball) that girls on BB rarely win. And in the latter two she beat the kind of male competitors who usually win those comps on BB (Brendan for bowling, Hayden for pinball) both of whom were on the block and wanted to win bad.

Under your criteria Janelle wasn't much of a competitor either since she sucked at physical comps, everything she won was pretty much Trivia or dressed-up Trivia, and she had LOTS of comps thrown to her on All-Stars. But I'm sure you're going to misremember that too.

 

[Salemite]

http://www.playboytv.com/shows/foursome/star/Michele

Big Brother 11’s Michele is on Playboy’s sex-on-TV reality show Foursome

Michele Noonan, the bisexual neuroscientist who came in fourth place on Big Brother 11 last summer, will be on Playboy TV’s Foursome this fall, presumably having sex on camera with fellow cast members. She follows in the footsteps of her fellow season 11 houseguest Braden Bacha, who appeared on the show prior to his time in the house.

Michele wrote on Twitter Sunday that she’s “finally taping [a] dating show” this week, and Playboy often refers to Foursome as a dating show, so it’s likely filming now. But Playboy TV already has a bio up for Michele that confirms she’s on the show:

“‘Big Brother’ fans will instantly recognize Michele as one of the sexy housemates who declared her bisexuality back in season 11. Now we’re getting her to take that ‘free love’ attitude even further with a night in the Hollywood Foursome house! Originally from New Jersey, this hottie holds a PhD in neuroscience and has mastered the art of boy/girl seduction.”

Foursome’s fourth season debuts Sept. 18, and though it’s not clear exactly when Michele’s episode will air, her bio is one of four currently on the site, so it’s likely they’re the first episode cast. The show’s site, by the way, promises “even more well-known reality stars”—that’s plural, so there are more to come (so to speak.)

When the show was casting back in March, it revealed that cast members get $500 and have to be “wild, uninhibited and sexually open,” because “nudity is required.”

Update: Michele told me on Twitter that her compensation wasn’t $500: “I was paid much more than 500 to do the show,” she wrote.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

I
Plus it's easy to say you threw a comp when you lost. on.

Aside from the fact that she won an endurance POV and stated in the DR that she threw this comp, she also had every reason to throw it because -- as I stated before and you no doubt glossed over its veracity and logic -- Brenchel thought she was in an alliance with them at that point, so it was better to let someone else (like Matt) split them up.

See this is what I'm talking about. You offer absolutely no evidence to support your point other than your biased "She didn't throw it" statement which is fine, but then you have the audacity to accuse some of us of being biased (so much so that you didn't even notice we were saying the guys should have EVICTED her this week! Ooh yeah, some bias! And of course you didn't cop to being absolutely wrong on that one). It's obnoxious having someone reply to your posts -- constantly -- only to tell you what they think you're thinking, rather than addressing your points. In the future, can't you just make your points without trying to read my mind? It's a pointless way to debate. The rest of us reply to your posts -- even when you throw tantrums, accuse us of bias, and make crazy, errant, illogical claims -- without telling you what you're thinking. We at least give you that respect. I reply to you with concrete examples from the show, concrete examples from the feeds, and concrete analogies from past seasons, whereas you reply to me with belligerence, accusations of bias, and really nothing else.

I enjoy your posts in other threads but I think on BB -- like Ragan said to Rachel -- "we're operating on two different levels." So maybe we should just agree to disagree. But please stop psycho-analyzing us and telling us why we say the things we say. You're bad enough at reading the houseguests, you definitely can't read me.

 

[aijalon18]

That wasnt a real endurance POV. Endurance in Big Brother is doing something as long as possible. Not for an hour. What is wrong with you? you are wackier than a Britney Spears fan.

We are on 2 different planets. I'm on Earth and you are in Britney world. I will not discuss Britney with you anymore since you are unable to give unbiased descriptions of her gameplay. we can have civil discussion about anything else.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

Lewis Carroll has nothing on you aijalon.

 

[Adrock-JD]

Jokersupdates says Enzo and Hayden talking in Taj say they will still vote for Lane if he takes Britney to F2 over them. Enzo says, "I'll be pissed, though."

 

[falconfan]

You're right that this is the point in the game when individual-interests diverge from group-interests, but I'm not sure that Hayden didn't do the right thing for himself this week (see below). On a related note, it doesn't benefit Lane at all to go to F4 with Enzo/Hayden, and it especially does not benefit him to go to F2 with Hayden (though it remains to be seen whether he's secretly planning to take Britney to F2 so he can get all the Brigade votes).

I disagree. I think Lane made his best move in getting rid of Ragan this week. It almost certainly ensures him to make it to the F3. The ONLY way I see him going is if Britney wins HOH AND Enzo takes veto and I really don't think that's going to happen but I don't know, maybe Enzo will suddenly become a comp beast.

I think evicted Hayden may be too high risk. He's losing two votes there most likely. Honestly I have NO CLUE how Matt is going to vote and that throws me off. Because I mean he went out completely delusional and unaware that the Brigade went all Ides of March on his ass but I imagine by voting time he'll have learned that and become bitter about it so I don't know how he'd take them betraying each other. He may even become contrarian and vote for Brit just because she's NOT Lane.

LANE
He can evict Ragan this week (thereby not losing Hayden's vote on the jury) and try to rally Enzo & Britney against Hayden next week (on the grounds that no one can beat Hayden for jury votes).

I think it's just safer for him to go with this option. Evict Ragan and try and get Hayden out at 4th or essentially "Keesha" Hayden with Brit standing in as his Jerry. He needs Brit to win HOH and then her or him to win veto so he can play it off as I HAD to vote one of the alliance members out. The problem is he's much tighter with Hayden so it may seem like a betrayal none the less. Here Alan Tudyk will explain with the T-Rex playing Lane and the Stegosaurus portraying Hayden

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znxFrgql5dc[/ame]

 

[falconfan]

Ooh, Lane just told Britney that Hayden's the one who took all the prizes in last week's POV competition! That's pretty big. Britney was really pissed about that.

When he stops hibernating it appear he make actually have some game... jury's out.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

Hee. Oh falconfan. The fact that you had that clip on hand is both adorable and embarrassing.

I actually have NO IDEA how Lane will fare with a jury. If he gets to the end with Britney, he could get all three Brigade votes (especially if she does the dirty work and evicts Hayden and Enzo for him) but I also see him as a Memphis-type i.e. someone who plays well enough to get to the end and not offend anyone, but hasn't actually bonded with that many people to get their votes. I seriously can't remember Lane ever saying TWO WORDS to Rachel and Brendan for example.

His best bet is still F2 with Britney though. If he got all three Brigades plus Kathy (who...I don't think likes Britney very much, right?) that's his $500,000 right there.

 

[falconfan]

Hee. Oh falconfan. The fact that you had that clip on hand is both adorable and embarrassing.

I believe the second word you were looking for was awesome.

I actually have NO IDEA how Lane will fare with a jury. If he gets to the end with Britney, he could get all three Brigade votes (especially if she does the dirty work and evicts Hayden and Enzo for him) but I also see him as a Memphis-type i.e. someone who plays well enough to get to the end and not offend anyone, but hasn't actually bonded with that many people to get their votes. I seriously can't remember Lane ever saying TWO WORDS to Rachel and Brendan for example.

His best bet is still F2 with Britney though. If he got all three Brigades plus Kathy (who...I don't think likes Britney very much, right?) that's his $500,000 right there.

There is a crucial difference between Memphis and Lane. Lane has bros on the jury. Bros who put little stock in hos. Memphis was up against his best friend who was far more charismatic, outgoing, and personable than him. Lane is against a member outside his core alliance who is catty, spoiled, and openly two faced.

In the event he does let her do the heavy lifting she'll get Brenchel's vote for being 'good at comps' but the others will probably go in favor of Lane.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

In the event he does let her do the heavy lifting she'll get Brenchel's vote for being 'good at comps' but the others will probably go in favor of Lane.

I think Ragan would vote for Britney too in that scenario so it would be a close vote with Lane winning 4-3, but I agree: Britney has an uphill battle against ANYONE left in the house.

 

[falconfan]

I feel like he'd vote however Matt does.