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The Official "Big Brother 12" Discussion Thread!

falconfan said:
What motivation would Lane possibly have to help Kristen? If anything she's gonna gum up the works for his alliance. This is a gift for them, they get to get rid of a potential problem without doing the dirty work.
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I meant in her decision whether or not to use the PoV. Lane could convince her to take Hayden off the block if they knew who Rachel would put up. But rethinking that, I think for everyone the noms should stay the same because then Rachel would have her main target, Kristen, and the brigade could save Hayden by voting Kristen out.
 
^^ They don't want her to use the veto because even if she took Hayden off the block, there's a chance one of the other Brigades (Lane or Matt specifically) could go up. They want her to NOT use the veto because they know currently Hayden has the votes to stay.
 
I would love it if she used the veto on Kristen, but I doubt that will happen. I want one of the Brigade out soon!
 
Lane is becoming the male version of Britney. He has some funny drs. The one with "We thought they were cousins. Turns out they're kissing cousins." And the ending one telling Hayden to get rid of it.
 
Does anyone have the entire video of Rachel and Kristen's fight?
 
Rachel is clearly a psycho b!tch. Kathy hugs Kirsten and insecure Rachel faults her for it.

Who could seriously like somebody like her?

Has Brendon killed his attraction with anyone here besides me?
 
I think Rachel is OTT, but I can understand being paranoid about Kathy, who actually is a floater. Even when they were talking Kathy never said she wasn't going to go after them. I'd be wary of her, but not to a high degree.
 
altlover85 said:
I think Rachel is OTT, but I can understand being paranoid about Kathy, who actually is a floater. Even when they were talking Kathy never said she wasn't going to go after them. I'd be wary of her, but not to a high degree.
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Well Joesman thinks she's pretty darn enjoyable and fun.

I could see her craziness from a mile away. She just reeks of insecurity and is always looking for perceived slights and insults because like I said earlier people like her need feuds. It justifies to them that the world is out to get them and this justifies their sour outlooks on life in general.

The whole fashion degree comment from her was without class and is nasty. That wasn't something off the top of her head either. She thought about that when she first heard it, held it at her hip and used that insult like a weapon.

My boyfriend is watching the show with me and he said people like her with issues are like the cigarette smoker smoking on an elevator and looking at people in disgust because they're coughing and covering their faces. "What's their problem?" That's exactly how Rachel acted tonight wondering why Kirsten didn't want to go up to her HoH room.

Most people here, I would imagine, could easily see why Kirsten wouldn't want to come up to the HoH room if they were Rachel. But a narcissist doesn't. They can't put themselves in others' shoes.
 
She understood why she didn't come up. She just thought that was a bad idea because she is HOH and could put Kristen on the block.
 
Lostlover said:
Well Joesman thinks she's pretty darn enjoyable and fun.

I could see her craziness from a mile away. She just reeks of insecurity and is always looking for perceived slights and insults because like I said earlier people like her need feuds. It justifies to them that the world is out to get them and this justifies their sour outlooks on life in general.

The whole fashion degree comment from her was without class and is nasty. That wasn't something off the top of her head either. She thought about that when she first heard it, held it at her hip and used that insult like a weapon.

My boyfriend is watching the show with me and he said people like her with issues are like the cigarette smoker smoking on an elevator and looking at people in disgust because they're coughing and covering their faces. "What's their problem?" That's exactly how Rachel acted tonight wondering why Kirsten didn't want to go up to her HoH room.

Most people here, I would imagine, could easily see why Kirsten wouldn't want to come up to the HoH room if they were Rachel. But a narcissist doesn't. They can't put themselves in others' shoes.
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You and your "boyfriend" haha need to get over your obsession with Rachel. Sad.
 
Rachel wasn't on the top of my list. But after she went off on Kristen, she climbed up a few spots. she was hilarious. haha

"you had just as much chance to win HoH"
"yeah"
"but....ya didnt"
 
Loved tonight's episode, especially Britney reveling in the Rachel/Kristin fight: "PHENOMENAL! And the irony of them going at it in a boxing ring was not lost on me." Add to that Kristin correctly identifying Rachel as a "hobag" in the Diary Room and yeah, this was my second favorite episode of the season after the one where Andrew basically started all this shit on his way out.

Best thing he ever did in the House!
 
^^ Kirsten didn't even actually go after Andrew right? Or was his paranoia actually based on something?
 
Rachel is just too damn crazy. I want to root for her but her obsession for getting rid of all the girls is ridiculous. I love how she tries to rationalize it too. But we all know she just wants everyone out who could threaten her love.

Since the Brigade is the only storyline going this season I'm guessing the DR is protecting them. That is the only explanation for no one being the least bit suspicious that those 4 are together.
 
Really surprised. I thought that Brendan would have more of a say in nominations. You would think since they are having a shomance, that Rachel would take his considerations in the noms. It seems Rachel is just playing a personal game, every nom. has been personal to her and not a smart strategic move.

Finally glad that the show started getting interesting a little bit. I am hoping that next week, Rachel goes home and we can get a glimpse of how Brendan is.
 
^^^^ If Rachel goes home there will be little show. She is the only one who causes anything interesting to happen in the house, whether she is insecure or not. Lostlover and his psych bf have her so figured out. I don't think Rachel is any more nuts than Kristen, who seethes so much inside she can't see the game for the insult Rachel threw at her, and which Kristen deserved because Kristen was targeting her at the HoH comp and got fucked doing it.

I agree with Brendan, in that her OTT out breaks is throwing her under the bus with everyone else. And even Britney sat in the bathtub with her and went through trash monologue, while dring that she rather be doing anything else. I don't think Rachel grabbed her and threw her in the bath tub.

And it was about time someone called Kathy on her back and forth. She is a floater, as is Kristen and Britney, and as far as Rachel goes, she is right, the whole house has been after her and Brendan since day one. That can get paranoia started in anyone. So anyone she puts on the block is a potential enemy. Good on her.

So kudos to Rachel for keeping something in the house worth watching. Since the only other good stuff comes from Brit and Lane in the dr and that only on televised shows.
 
Kristen is just as bad as Rachel is, honestly. When she automatically jumped to the conclusion that Rachel was "jealous" of her in last night's episode, I just rolled my eyes thought, "God, not another one."

I maintain that Rachel is obnoxious but good TV and she's still my favorite after Britney, but for all the wrong reasons. And Kristen is pretty dumb and deserves her eviction after how she acted in last night's episode.

Finally, this season has a spark!
 
SOOO much back and forth last night you guys!

First, Britney decided she wants to use the veto on Hayden, and have Kathy go up and go home because Britney has correctly ascertained that 1) Kathy will float to the end and will be the one people choose to take further in the game over Britney, simply because Kathy is useless in competitions and 2) keeping the Hayden/Kristin vs Brendan/Rachel feud going is good for Britney.

But of course in order to pull this off Britney had to make sure that Rachel would put up Kathy as a replacement and that no one would be upset with her for using the POV. And wow, did Britney pull it off with multiple skill levels!

First Britney made a deal for safety with Hayden and Kristin. Then Hayden and Kristin talked to Brendan and Rachel alone, reasonably pointing out that if Brendan didn't win the next HOH, they would both go up on the block. Instead Hayden and Kristin offered an alliance with Brendan and Rachel, saying the four of them could run the House competition wise etc. In exchange, Rachel would let Britney use the POV and put up Kathy. Now of course Brendan and Rachel DO need this kind of protection but it's so obviously a fake deal because of how everything went down with Kristin and Rachel. Yet Brendan and Rachel? TOTALLY FUCKING BOUGHT IT!! :rotflmao:

The best part is, Hayden pretended that they were really working with Rachel and Brendan and that they would have to be careful to "convince" Britney to use the POV without letting her know of their four-way couples alliance (Rachel uncorked this ironic gem: "We can't tell Britney everything because she won't agree to use the POV and be part of a five-man alliance with two couples, she's too smart for that") when in reality, they're really hiding their deal with Britney so Rachel will put up Kathy.

Oh and it got so good as Rachel coached Hayden on what to say to Britney while Hayden tried not to laugh. And then Hayden ran right back to Britney and they laughed about it -- Britney, completely unable to believe her good fortune, and even more flabbergasted that Rachel was dumb enough to take the deal -- and then Britney sat in the HOH room while Rachel thought she was being slick, trying to let Britney know it was ok to use the POV and that she (Rachel) would put Kathy up, without letting Britney know of the alliance she thinks she and Brendan now have with Hayden and Kristin. :badgrin:

So currently, Kathy is slated to go up and go home. Of course there could be a huge flip again before the POV (especially if Rachel and Brendan grow a brain between them) but for now? Britney pulled off multiple levels of manipulation and it was awesome!!
 
Jokers seems to be indicating that Britney decided not to use the veto and went to tell Hayden but got called into DR minutes before the veto ceremony.
 
slipintothefog said:
Kristen is just as bad as Rachel is, honestly. When she automatically jumped to the conclusion that Rachel was "jealous" of her in last night's episode, I just rolled my eyes thought, "God, not another one."
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OMG. I screamed at the TV that I hate girls. Everything is b/c she's jealous.

I would love for Britney to use the veto to save Kristen and have two brigade guys up. But knowing Rachel she'd put Kathy up anyway.
 
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