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The Official "Big Brother 12" Discussion Thread!

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I'm not saying Matt is a little hottie or anything...but I do think he is kind of cute in a quirky kind of way (mice can be cute...right? ;)) Maybe it's a combination of his humor and personality too.

He cracks me up with his diabolical evil genius routine...he's got a twisted dark sense of humor that comes off cocky and arrogant...which he is to an extent, but I think he can laugh at himself. I think he's funny, interesting and playing the game really well (even though most people don't appreciate his strategy of not getting rid of B or R...I get why he didn't.) I don't think he's as good a player as he thinks he is...but I wouldn't mind him kicking some ass in the game.

My ideal F3 is Lane, Britney and Matt...right now...Enzo 4th.
 
8 minutes in and I feel so bad for Brenden, Rachel in this Episode is on her best shit

Vomited 4 times watching her
 
I've yet to see Lane with his top off and it makes me very very upset. :(
 
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This all of this we got so close....


And um can Matt please zip up his hoodies all the way?

He just thinks he is too cute
 
Jeff (BB11/Around The World For Free) tweeted this an hour ago...
One last thing to take care of here in Dallas then heading to Los Angeles this afternoon, no place lined up to stay yet??
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Allison Grodner said he'll be spending a night in the BB house this season, so since he's heading to LA this afternoon, I'm guessing we might see him on the feeds tonight?
 
ON AD as it started last night, Brit and Rachel were putting on mud masks. Brit says" She said the boys have an alliance." Meaning Kristen, I think. Rachel responds "Who cares. It's still early in the game." Britney, "Yeah. We're only 4eeks in and who cares. Exactly."
 
I'm hoping Britney is just saying that to Rachel to not get herself in hot water with the guys if Rachel ever said anything to them.
 
joesman said:
ON AD as it started last night, Brit and Rachel were putting on mud masks. Brit says" She said the boys have an alliance." Meaning Kristen, I think. Rachel responds "Who cares. It's still early in the game." Britney, "Yeah. We're only 4eeks in and who cares. Exactly."
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It's funny that they really don't know about the boys alliance yet...it's a pretty good secret so far. Granted...the boys really haven't needed to do anything as a group yet.

I know the others all suspect some of the guys are together somehow... but they don't know who. I've heard them say that Hayden will be available now since Kristen is going...so they assume he's not in with the boys I guess. I've also heard that they don't think Matt is in with the boys either...that he's a floater or that's he's in with Ragan.

It'll be interesting to see if the Brigade solidifies or splinters....
 
jaysizzles said:
I know the others all suspect some of the guys are together somehow... but they don't know who. I've heard them say that Hayden will be available now since Kristen is going...so they assume he's not in with the boys I guess. I've also heard that they don't think Matt is in with the boys either...that he's a floater or that's he's in with Ragan.
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On AD last night, Britney and Rachel were talking about how everybody seems to be involved in a pair. They believe the pairs are: Hayden/Kristen, Ragan/Matt, Lane/Enzo, Rach/Brendon... and that Britney doesn't see herself in a pair, and that Kathy is alone too.

So they're slowly catching on to the guys' alliance, but they haven't quite figured it out.
 
Lane, Enzo and Matt near the end of AD last night. Enzo puts his hand in his shorts and scratches, plays with his balls. As he is doing this he says " My wife is always telling me that I scratch my nuts and then smells them." He then takes his hand out of his pants and sniffs his fingers. he says " Nothing like smelling your own nut mess," to which Matt replies, " That's why I like you Enzo."
 
what have the "brigade" done that would establish that they have an alliance let alone effective in any way. they are a cowardly farce of four.
 
philusmc said:
what have the "brigade" done that would establish that they have an alliance let alone effective in any way. they are a cowardly farce of four.
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You know, I don't like the Brigade, but I don't understand this (all too common) criticism at all. Why do they have to "establish" that they have an alliance? In case you hadn't noticed, establishing alliances early on -- Chilltown (Season 2), Roddy's Alliance (Season 3), The Horsemen (Season 5), The Sovs (Season 6), The S6 Alliance (Season 7), The Late Night Crew (Season 8 ), Crazy James' Alliance (Season 9), Brian's Alliance (Season 10), Jesse's Alliance (Season 11) -- usually results in the decimation of that alliance so that one or two of its members are lucky to make it to the finals (and the entire alliance never makes it as far as they can). It is therefore strategically better to NOT "establish" an alliance.

Furthermore, this is exactly what the Brigade has done. By keeping their alliance a secret (which btw similarly worked for Jason and Danielle in Season 3 who BOTH made it to F3 as a result) they have actually been very effective. They've made it so that two of their members are not on the block at any given time and in fact, the rest of the House has no current plans to put two of them up at the same time. This is extremely important because it means they will have the votes to save one of their members from eviction like, oh I dunno, say this very week when they have 3 out of the 4 votes needed to save Hayden. And the fact that the rest of the House doesn't even want Hayden out -- over fucking Kristin to boot! -- is precisely because they've hidden their alliance.

At this rate -- unless someone figure them out and soon -- the Brigade could be lethal when there are only 8 or so people left in the game and they start winning back-to-back HOHs (this worked for Adam/Ryan/Sheila/Natalie in Season 9 and Dan/Memphis/Keesha/Renny in Season 10; both alliances got 3 of its members to F4 and filled the F2 spots).

Because I don't care for them, I hope someone DOES figure out the Brigade or at least accidentally puts two of them up. But I'm not going to pretend they're not playing well just because I don't like them. Thus far, they've managed to do what NO week one all-male alliance has ever done in BB history.
 
One last thought: as I see it, the weak link in the Brigades is that Enzo and Lane are very obviously tight. If Ragan or Brendan won HOH, it wouldn't be unthinkable to put them both up -- even if the Brigade ISN'T known -- simply in the name of splitting up pairs. Matt and Hayden are less easily connected to each other or to Enzo/Lane.

That being said, Enzo and Lane are also floating VERY well, not causing any drama, and not giving anyone any reason to nominate them both. Lane is practically invisible (no small feat considering his size) and Enzo has ingratiated himself with every group, entertaining the House and earning a lot of goodwill. This is probably why they won't be targeted together in the near future (though hopefully Ragan's intuition will lead him there if he wins HOH. He's already come close to figuring out that those two need to go on the block together).

Realistically, NO ONE -- not even other Brigade members -- should want to go to the finals with Enzo. The guy is VERY well liked. Matt/Hayden/Lane need a contingency plan to ditch Enzo before or at F4 (assuming they all make it that far). If the F2 is Enzo and Lane for example -- which I think Enzo is angling for -- I think Lane could go the way of Memphis and get 0 votes simply because (pleasant and conflict-free as he is) he hasn't bonded with people the way Enzo has. It'll be Dan vs Memphis all over again.
 
^^^ Rachel and Britney said in the bath tub that anyone going to the final 2 with Enzo or Lane would lose to them. Both Rachel and Britney think Lane and Enzo are at least a pair so they are not flying that low under the radar. If Rachel thinks this then so does Brendan.

Of course, tonight's HoH play will either play to R/B or someone else. It sounds like it might be endurance which means no winner on the live show. Brendan seems to think he can better anyone in endurance.

What the show needs right now is for someone to play the game as hard as Brendan and Rachel play it. So far they have been the soul of this season, like them or not. But their problem may lie in the fact they have been in the HoH room too long because they have no clue about other friendships.

Britney is proving to be the most untrustwothy person so far. She sits with Rachel and tells her everything she knows (just about) then goes directly to Matt and Ragan and tells them what Rachel has said, but leaves out all her own input with Rachel.

Rachel and Brendan know they are on almost everyone's bulleye. First chance anyone gets they will try to get one of them out. Then there is the ever looming coup or Pandora's Box which will lean towards the most popular person(s) as seen by Grodner and crew or what they think makes better tv. Last season's coup ruined so much of the show because the most interesting and off the wall people were taken down to leave Jordan as a winner, and she was undeserving. Grodner's elfs are constantly influencing ( as you can hear now and then before BB himself calls "You are not allowed to talk about your diary room sessions with other houseguests." Too late BB. The secrets are out.

Lane and Enzo seem to be playing just to get to the jury house. Lane talks about it a lot.

Last night on AD Lane went into the shower but with all his clothes on. He takes them off in the shower and all that was visible was a shot just above his nips. Obviously he is not into showing his goods.

Enzo with his fingers in his pants then pulls out his hand and sniffs his fingers. He said something like, "Nothing like smelling your own nuts." I threw up a little in the back of my throat. Matt, too, is a hands in pants all the time.
 
joesman said:
Lane and Enzo seem to be playing just to get to the jury house. Lane talks about it a lot.
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Houseguests say that about themselves and other houseguests every season, it's never true. These two are DEFINITELY playing to win.

Going balls out in comps and making huge targets of yourself and your alliance (like Rachel and Brendan) is not the only way to play this game (certainly not the smart way). Enzo and Lane are doing exactly the correct thing thus far (especially Enzo) but since I'm rooting for Britney, I certainly hope someone ends up putting Enzo/Lane up soon. I thought Ragan would be our best bet for that, but he's so gaga over Matt, I could see him being talked out of it.
 
Sgt Pepper said:
You know, I don't like the Brigade, but I don't understand this (all too common) criticism at all. Why do they have to "establish" that they have an alliance? In case you hadn't noticed, establishing alliances early on -- Chilltown (Season 2), Roddy's Alliance (Season 3), The Horsemen (Season 5), The Sovs (Season 6), The S6 Alliance (Season 7), The Late Night Crew (Season 8 ), Crazy James' Alliance (Season 9), Brian's Alliance (Season 10), Jesse's Alliance (Season 11) -- usually results in the decimation of that alliance so that one or two of its members are lucky to make it to the finals (and the entire alliance never makes it as far as they can). It is therefore strategically better to NOT "establish" an alliance.

Furthermore, this is exactly what the Brigade has done. By keeping their alliance a secret (which btw similarly worked for Jason and Danielle in Season 3 who BOTH made it to F3 as a result) they have actually been very effective. They've made it so that two of their members are not on the block at any given time and in fact, the rest of the House has no current plans to put two of them up at the same time. This is extremely important because it means they will have the votes to save one of the

ir members from eviction like, oh I dunno, say this very week when they have 3 out of the 4 votes needed to save Hayden. And the fact that the rest of the House doesn't even want Hayden out -- over fucking Kristin to boot! -- is precisely because they've hidden their alliance.

At this rate -- unless someone figure them out and soon -- the Brigade could be lethal when there are only 8 or so people left in the game and they start winning back-to-back HOHs (this worked for Adam/Ryan/Sheila/Natalie in Season 9 and Dan/Memphis/Keesha/Renny in Season 10; both alliances got 3 of its members to F4 and filled the F2 spots).

Because I don't care for them, I hope someone DOES figure out the Brigade or at least accidentally puts two of them up. But I'm not going to pretend they're not playing well just because I don't like them. Thus far, they've managed to do what NO week one all-male alliance has ever done in BB history.
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Sgt. Pepper -- when you're right, you're right. You drilled deeper into the strategy of the players -- both historically and current, than I have the inclination to do -- that's not criticism, glad someone keeps up with it with some analytical perspective. My "issue", if it even arises to such, is the bragging they do for the camera about how great the "Brigade" is, bla bla bla, on and on, but yet they have yet to do one thing to effect the outcome of this game. Hiding their alliance may have some positive attributes, but damn, quit the adolescent bragging. Especially ENZo.

p.s. i really do appreciate your feedback.
 
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Matt and Ragen are left....

Really though?

Could this game become anymore dry?

Why not Brit winning? Or Enzo? So we can see people making some moves.

It literally makes me sick to my stomach knowing these two are up

Why? If Ragen wins then he can't be the SAB, that means it will be given to Enzo and although it would be great for him to leave in two weeks I don't think he could pull it off.

If matt wins that means the Brigade is still in-tack and nothing interesting happens other than watching Brenden and Rachel squirm

I can live with the latter though. Plus I have a feeling after Enzo flipped about Rachel coming after Lane he might rally the troops to go after her keeping Brenden to look at. Or of course torture her by keeping her here and taking out Brenden (Smarter move of course)


Hope to God Ragan gets SAB and that the SAB will actually do stuff and it would be cool if he found out about the Brigade.

And by do stuff I mean other than lock up food or start VICIOUS RUMORS like someone is related!

The Horror! That must have entertained me for weeks!
I want a leaked DR session, or get someone recorded saying something and blast it on that TV for the entire house to hear. Or as I previously said expose the Brigade
 
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