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The Official MADONNA Discussion Thread!

Favorite Madonna Album


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Re: Madonna, and a barbaric custom.

(and that hygenic reason is a lie... there's no truth to it at all. You may as well cut off my ears because you're too lazy to teach me to clean behind them)
What about STD's? (but anyway, I'd also prefer not to do the circumcision thing unnecessarily...my mom was not just going with her culture, but actually thought about my unnecessary pain...I still got unlucky later on #-o).
 
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Vasically, the higher risks of STD infection are probable in that there is a way tor ationalize why that could possibly happen. But the studies done were all conflicting, some showing that risk was reduced with circumcision and others showing that risk wasn't reduced. Either way, the consensus is that in the field of risk, behavioral risk is far more significant than being circumcised.

Also, urniary tract infections for boys are very low (about 1%) and for circumcised boys, it's .19% and .12%, which isn't enough between 1% (since 1% is already low) for the procedure to be done, in my opinion.

And with the rate of penile disfigurement/destruction being 2% (i.e. 2 out of every 100 boys circumcised), I'd say that it's not worth it.
 
Re: Madonna, and a barbaric custom.

I have never forgiven my parents for doing it to me, and I never will.

Totally agree. Thanks so much Mum and Dad :mad:

BTW I was circumsized at eight years old and very much forced into doing it and remember the pain very well (although was put under for the actual op). No discussion with me whatsoever, it was "this is what you WILL do".
 
Re: Madonna, and a barbaric custom.

Calling circumcision "mutilation" is a bit too dramatic. I'm circumcised and my penis isn't mutilated. I don't mind that my parents had me circumcised. I just don't see what all the drama is about. Some of you act like it's the most horrible thing in the world.:rolleyes: I like cocks cut, or uncut, it makes no difference...|
 
Re: Madonna, and a barbaric custom.

I think the 2 boys out of a 100 would disagree with you on that score.

Personally I think it's crap. I've never had a problem, but I wash under it when I shower so it's squeaky clean.

I wonder why religions feel the need to rive the foreskin off when child is born anyway? Didn't their god put it there in the first place? Did he make a mistake?

God - "Oops, what the fuck did I put that there for? It's going to give people all sorts of diseases......what the fuck was I thinking #-o I know I'll tell them to rive it off to sort out my mistake"

:badgrin:
Um...re-read what you quoted. I said that since 2 out of 100 boys get disfigured, it's not worth circumcising kids.:rolleyes:
 
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Circumcising adult men may cut risk of AIDS

Updated Wed. Dec. 13 2006 3:23 PM ET
Associated Press
WASHINGTON -- Circumcising adult men may cut in half their risk of getting the AIDS virus through heterosexual intercourse, the U.S. government announced Wednesday, as it shut down two studies in Africa testing the link.
The National Institutes of Health closed the studies in Kenya and Uganda early, when safety monitors took a look at initial results this week and spotted the protection. The studies' uncircumcised men are being offered the chance to undergo the procedure.
The link between male circumcision and HIV prevention was noted as long ago as the late 1980s. The first major clinical trial, of 3,000 men in South Africa, found last year that circumcision cut the HIV risk by 60 per cent.
Still, many AIDS specialists had been awaiting the NIH's results as a final confirmation.
"Male circumcision can lower both an individual's risk of infection, and hopefully the rate of HIV spread through the community," said AIDS expert Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the NIH's National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.
But it's not perfect protection, Fauci stressed. Men who become circumcised must not quit using condoms nor take other risks -- and circumcision offers no protection from HIV acquired through anal sex or injection drug use, he noted.
"It's not a magic bullet, but a potentially important intervention," agreed Dr. Kevin De Cock of the World Health Organization.
Male circumcision is common at birth in the United States. But in sub-Saharan Africa, home to more than half of the world's almost 40 million HIV-infected people, there are large swaths of populations where male circumcision is rare.
The WHO plans an international meeting early next year to discuss the studies' results and how to translate them into policies that promote safe male circumcision -- done by trained health workers with sterile equipment -- while teaching men that it won't make them invulnerable.
Why would male circumcision play a role? Cells in the foreskin of the penis are particularly susceptible to the HIV virus, Fauci explained. Also, the foreskin is more fragile than the tougher skin surrounding it, providing a surface that the virus could penetrate more easily.
Researchers enrolled 2,784 HIV-negative men in Kisumu, Kenya, and 4,996 HIV-negative men in Rakai, Uganda, into the studies. Some were circumcised; others were just monitored.
Over two years, 22 of the circumcised Kenyans became infected with HIV compared with 47 uncircumcised men, a 53 per cent reduction. In Uganda, 22 circumcised men became infected vs. 43 of the uncircumcised, a 48 per cent reduction.
The researchers are offering all of the studies' uncircumcised men the chance to undergo the procedure, and 80 per cent of the uncircumcised Ugandans already have agreed, said lead researcher Ronald Gray of Johns Hopkins University.
Side effects were rare, including some mostly mild infections that were easily treated. The rate of side effects was comparable to those seen in circumcised U.S. infants, said Robert Bailey of the University of Illinois at Chicago, who led the Kenyan trial.
 
Re: Madonna, and a barbaric custom.

So the moral of the story is that I need to shag more men who were born in Africa.

(with condoms, of course)
 
Re: Madonna, and a barbaric custom.

Commentary in another study has stated that we shouldn't wait to find out if this is true and just offer it anyway so that if it is, many people need not contract HIV.

Nevertheless, I think it's important to mention the researchers and the studies that have shown that circumcision does not change contraction rates sinificantly or at all and mention that how people practice sex has a larger impact on contraction rates than their foreskin status.
 
Re: Madonna, and a barbaric custom.

You guys are looking at it wrong, David is a Christian and Madonna is Kabbalah. She wants to convert him to her religion and circumcision marks the formal entry into the Jewish community. Thats the problem.
 
Re: Madonna, and a barbaric custom.

QUestion: Do you twats believe everything you read??? LOL.

oh yeah! and WHO CARES.
 
Re: What is your favourite Madonna album?

I think this one has been done a few times before, but it's Christmas - so good will and spirit and all that- I'll answer again:D

Like A Prayer
 
Re: What is your favourite Madonna album?

my favourite would have to be LIKE A PRAYER. reminds me of my early teenage years! :D
 
Re: Madonna, and a barbaric custom.

The only barbaric thing about circumcision is the fact that it happens without the person's consent.

The ACTUAL PROCEDURE is not fucking barbaric, and it is not mutilation. We can still jerk off. We can still pleasure women/men. We still feel pleasure. We still feel enough pleasure to cum. OUR PENISES STILL FUNCTION NORMALLY.

Honestly nutjobs who feel 'robbed' just over exaggerate every single thing and throw pointless hissy fits.

But, let's be realistic here. Circumcision DOES result in some loss of sensation, because of the constantly exposed glans. If you keep one car in the garage, and another outside, of course the one outside is gonna have more wear and tear. If you want to get a sensitive glans, get a Your-Skin Cone.

So in reality. The procedure itself isn't HORRIBLE GHASTLY OMIGOSH DESTROYING TEH PEENZORZ, doing it on babies for no fucking reason at all is the stupid part.
 
Re: What is your favourite Madonna album?

1. American Life
2. Music
3. Erotica
4. Rol
5. Bts
 
Re: What is your favourite Madonna album?

Don't own not a one, so i wouldn't know.

As far as singles, Ray Of Light had the best, so i guess that one. lol
 
Re: Madonna, and a barbaric custom.

That's a lark. Especially since the procedure has a rate of disfigurement of 2 per 100 cases. That's 2 boys out of every one hundred circumcised who either have it disfigured or in the worst case, destroyed. As well, while it's true that male circumcision doesn't remove all sensation, neither does female circumcision, where they remove the clitoris and all other external genitalia. And I'm sure the jurey is out on that one as being a barbaric and terrible procedure.

I think the current medical institution has demosntrated that in the realm of circumcision, it's not a procedure done well. Inexperienced surgeons or students are given circumcisions to do after only watching the procedure be done isntead of being within the procedure.

Surgeons oftentime remove to little or too much forsekin. And only up until recently, the procedure was done with no anesthetic, since they believed that babies didn't remember pain or even felt pain. That sounds like it's barbaric to me, or if that's too strong of language, it's unnecessary and unsound.

And that's where the point comes down to now. The procedure is unnecessary. Medicalized or not, the procedure is so 'common' that hospitals automatically sign newborns up for the procedure and parents have to make a statement telling them not to perform it. That's rediculous, since it's not a necessary procedure, sometimes even just being done to increase the bill. It just leaves parents to either make the deicison because of inane concepts of 'normalcy' or out of pure aesthetic, both are, IMO, not decisions they are allowed to make about the body of their son.

And it's kind of underhanded for Madonna to adopt this child, whose background is Christian and culturally does not believe in circumcision, make claims that she won't change him, and then announce that she plans to circumcize him inorder to raise him in Kabbalah.
 
Re: What is your favourite Madonna album?

i don't know her albums other than ray of light. that is really good.

since i like the morning wood song, id say that album too.

as well as the one with the evita song don't cry for me argentina since i love that song.
 
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