The Official MADONNA Discussion Thread!

[miaedu]

 

[MrMojoRisin]

The video premiered today:

 

[ILLBFIRE]

I thought the video was fun and cute

 

[Legionair]

I don't know if this has been mentioned already but we found out last night that M has decided to pull out of the Australian leg of her tour. As yet there has been no reason given. Her last tour here was '93 with The Girlie Show and lemme tell ya 20 years is a loooong effing time to wait between tours. Maybe I'll catch the Farewell Tour in 2033.

 

[Callum]

Yeah, that sucked. Maybe I'm just stuck on Ray of Light, though...

 

[trinket]

You are absolutely right Trinket! I always feel that her first couple of albums are so raw and so pure that it's who Madonna really is. Everything since is so hugely "produced" that it may have lost some of the view into who she really is.

I know exactly what you mean. I do like lushly and richly produced stuff with lots of texture ("Ray of Light" as an example is a masterpiece of electronic production and timbre) but there's an undeniable charm of the rawness and ambition of the early stuff. Maybe to an extent that argument could be made for any artist; which is why it's a lot of fun listening to, say, very early Bono/U2, Springsteen, or any other artist.

Speaking of "I Know It", have you heard the demo version of it? Lots of little differences. Maybe most obviously it's missing the saxophone - hearing this, you can easily see why they added it in the final version for texture and something kinetic to be happening, because the way the song is structured when she finishes those verses it's really just nothing going on except the synth backing. The backing vocals (which are pretty minimal and non-obtrusive anyway in the final version and really just used for emphasis, on words like "hopeless" and the chorus) are also not there. All that synth programming is relatively the same except has been improved slightly for the album version. Madonna's actual performance is interesting; it's a little more tentative, shy almost, which would befit trying out something on a demo. She also does a spoken part and a few vocal things not in the final version:




And this has nothing to do with "I Know It" but I was listening to this other piece of vintage Madonna today and I always thought it was a nice song of hers - highly melodic line that she sounds great singing, nice combination of a Latin-American influence (that percussion!) and something danceable. In this remix I like the way the backing vocals are introduced at 0:35 and then two seconds later while they're holding they're supported by the introduction of the bassline, synths and the rest of the instruments - I just like the way we hear vocals for the first time and that seamless entrance underneath them:



Kind of a fan of the tempo, too - 104 BPM or around there. I like songs in this range; not too blisteringly fast, but not dragging. Just fast enough.

 

[trinket]

But, fuck. She's really given up on her music videos. That was pretty awful.

Yeah, it's interesting. I wonder if it's possible, after being a music video pioneer and with such a large video output and having so many great looking ones over the years from promising or already brilliant directors (to just scratch the surface, the visual beauty of "Rain", the sprawling metropolis of "Express Yourself", the imagery of "You'll See", the beautifully amber and wind-swept room of "Love Don't Live Here Anymore", the faux-monochromatic beachside splashing of "Cherish", the sandswept barrens of "Frozen", the stop-motion speed-up of "Ray of Light", etc.), that maybe there's nothing left to dazzle or try that hasn't been done before? We could be spoiled too by the legacy of all those great visuals. I mean, the idea is that a music video director should bring something fresh and interesting to the table so it's not relying on Madonna to come up with the concept exclusively, but maybe we're cynical as an audience. Certainly I don't think music videos are as important to an artist as they once were in terms of putting their image out there or generating revenue - part of the package, but maybe not always requiring a lengthy production process or high concepts anymore.

 

[sammyyummy]

read that for the hyde concert, stella, kylie, george, kate moss, naomi c., guy ritchie and Gpoop wwere there.
no pics of guy or gpoop though

 

[FanofFiction]

One of my favorite Madonna videos is Open Your Heart. I used to watch that video over and over again on vhs when I was a kid. I used to imagine that I was the kid hanging out with her. I'm such a loser for admitting this, lol. I had always loved Madonna. I wanted to dance with her when I was little, then in my teens wanted to learn dance so that I could maybe audition for a spot on one of her tours. But that video (I think it was my first Madonna video) is what got me really into Madonna. The sailors in the booth together, Madonna's dance moves, the song was great too... that video was just magic to me.

My absolute favorite video would probably be Bad Girl with Christopher Walken. That video was haunting. I loved every single second of Bad Girl. Amazing video.

So many of her videos are epic, timeless works of art. They pushed boundries. They started trends. They inspired people to dance.

So I have no idea what happened with Turn Up The Radio... Still not her worst. Not even close. American Life is the shittiest video of all time, by any artist. But that was sort of beyond her control with the censorship of the original version of the video (which I've yet to see for myself). I liked her other videos from MDNA though. Let's hope this one was just a glitch.

 

[slipintothefog]

But that was sort of beyond her control with the censorship of the original version of the video (which I've yet to see for myself).

I still think Madonna withdrawing this video was the turning point of her career. She would have totally gone down in flames and been bashed ten ways to hell with the ridiculous amounts of violence intercut with actual war footage at the end (although this was the director's cut and I think the version that played in Europe a few times was toned down), but at least it would have been on her own terms.

The video also makes it pretty damn clear that the rap is supposed to be sarcastic, whereas without it people thought she was being serious and assumed she thought was good at rapping for some reason(???).

 

[slipintothefog]

I actually never realized how well the rap is placed within the context of the video until just now. She only starts rapping when she appears on the runaway, prattling about the dumbest, most materialistic things to please the crowd. Then the last line is "Nothing is what it seems..." and she whips out the hose and starts flipping shit on everyone. Pretty awesome.

 

[ILLBFIRE]

So I have no idea what happened with Turn Up The Radio... Still not her worst. Not even close. American Life is the shittiest video of all time, by any artist. But that was sort of beyond her control with the censorship of the original version of the video (which I've yet to see for myself). I liked her other videos from MDNA though. Let's hope this one was just a glitch.

What!!! American Life was not that bad. IDK there is something about the video that I really like.

 

[ILLBFIRE]

Madonna just being Madonna

Madonna ignored pleas to tone down her MDNA show at a concert in Scotland and brandished a machine gun and pistol onstage.

Police officials advised the pop superstar not to include images of firearms and weapons themselves during the Murrayfield Stadium gig in Edinburgh in the wake of the Colorado cinema massacre on Friday morning.

But she defied the local authorities and hit the stage with pistols and an AK47 assault rifle - as she has at all the shows on her MDNA tour.

"Madonna and her dancers using replica guns was always in bad taste but given what happened in Colorado it is even worse. She should know better," a spokeswoman for the Mothers Against Guns organisation has told local newspaper the Daily Record.

 

[slipintothefog]

What!!! American Life was not that bad. IDK there is something about the video that I really like.

I think he meant the basic, boring and lame flag version that Madonna rushed together at the last second after she pulled the original one:

It's definitely one of her worst videos. She doesn't even have the excuse of being on tour at the time like she did for Get Together, Jump, Turn Up the Radio or any videos that are literally her live performances.

In addition to nothing actually happening, it's so full of unflattering close-ups of Madonna's face and gapped teeth. I think I'm going to have nightmares after seeing the demon face that appears at 1:50-1:51. D:

 

[Nocturnal]

Madonna Fans Boo, Demand Refund For 45-Minute Paris Show​

Concert intended to promote tolerance ends in shouts of 'refund!'

A Thursday night Madonna club show in Paris intended to promote tolerance ended with a round of boos and intolerance ... aimed at Madonna. What was billed as an intimate show at the City of Light's 2,700-capacity l'Olympia, streamed live on YouTube, turned into a public relations disaster when the 53-year-old singer left the stage after just 45 minutes.

The abrupt end to the show prompted cries of "refund!" from some and forced YouTube to disable comments on the stream early Friday morning after it garnered more than 12,000 dislikes, according to the Associated Press.

In addition to some asking for their money back after Madonna took the stage at 10:15 p.m. and departed around 11 p.m., a few angered fans shouted insults such as "salope" (the French word for "slut") at the star, who has been embroiled in controversy over the past week for her use of a Nazi swastika symbol on her current tour.

The worst part? The venue was packed with Madonna die-hards, since the tickets were made available only to members of her official fan club, before being released to the general public, according to the Hollywood Reporter. Many gathered outside the venue hours before, some sleeping on the street overnight in order to get a good spot. After the show, though, a number were back out on the avenue shouting "give us our money back!" in French.

An earlier invitation to followers to tweet about the special event ended up backfiring when some attendees used the #MDNAParis hashtag to complain. One angry fan who took to Twitter to vent, wrote in French, "280? for a seat + 10 minutes of a speech + 40 minutes of a show + 2 days of camping in front of the #Olympia = #Madonna #MDNA #Paris #thatsucks."

The concert was a last-minute addition to Madonna's schedule, tacked on shortly after France's far-right National Front party threatened to sue the singer over a video she showed during a Bastille Day (July 14) gig in Paris that featured an image of party leader Marine Le Pen with a swastika superimposed on her forehead.

"I know that I made a certain Marine Le Pen very angry with me," Madonna said during the l'Olympia show , which mixed her hits with covers by French singer Serge Gainsbourg and homages to such national icons as Alain Delon and Edith Piaf. "And it's not my intention to make enemies ... It's my intention to promote tolerance. And when we start saying that we have to get rid of this person or we have to get rid of that person, because then we'll have a better place, it starts to sound like something else, it starts to sound like something scary. So the next time you want to point the finger at somebody and blame them for a problem in your life, take that finger and point it back at you."

Madonna, who has made headlines on the tour for serially flashing her naughty bits
 to her audience and for refusing to give up a section of the show in which she brandishes handguns and automatic rifles in the wake of the tragic theater shooting in Aurora, Colorado
, defended her use of the Nazi imagery
 before the Paris show.

"There seems to be a growing intolerance around the world. In Greece, France, everywhere, people are trying to kick out all the immigrants, make people cover up and not show what their religious affiliation is. Think about what's going on in Russia towards the gay community," Madonna said in an interview with a Brazilian TV station. "I'm calling attention to that intolerance and asking people to pay attention, to wake up to see how we are just creating more chaos in the world."

The latest flap comes less than a week after the surprise announcement
 that the Australian leg of her MDNA tour would be scrapped without explanation.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/16...html?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews

Queen M can't catch a break this year - even from diehards.

 

[DigitalFudge]

I am really starting to use "Turn Up The Radio"



She can really get that to smash the dance charts.

 

[ILLBFIRE]

I hope..HOPE she does a video for Gang Bang

 

[Native Son]

So true. Lady Caca is just an ugly knock off of the queen of pop. At least Madonna didnt have to cancel tour dates because of lack of intrest and blame it on being afraid of muslims. Ignore Caca's little ghouls. Anyone that worships a cheap knock off cant be all there, lol.

Mean Girl Alert!

So what's the min. ticket price for this tour?

 

[Native Son]

Who are those backup dancers?

 

[Shadowplay]

Who are those backup dancers?

The dancers are Erika Bell and Bags Rilez. Both were friends of Madonna's at the time in NY.