The Pentagon continues the discrimination and where's Obama?

[hotatlboi]

He did and if he does not there will be hell to pay.

But it's going to take more than just his action. It will take legislation, and I imagine that he doesn't want to distract Congress from the economy right now by throwing such a hot button issue into the ring.

 

[Inwood]

I love how everyone expects him to honor every single campaign promise within the first six months of his presidency. Even god (supposedly) took six days to create the heavens and the earth.

I agree on principle, and if he doesn't follow through on this one he will have lost the gay vote in 2012, but I'm inclined to give him a little more time on this before condemning the man.

 

[Inwood]

I do think we need to hold him to that promise though, just saying!

I wholeheartedly agree with that statement, but we need to give him some time. I think we've become a nation afflicted with A.D.D. since the dawn of the Internet Age. We want everything, and we want it NOW.

 

[Sondrith]

He did and if he does not there will be hell to pay.

But it's going to take more than just his action. It will take legislation, and I imagine that he doesn't want to distract Congress from the economy right now by throwing such a hot button issue into the ring.

I believe that this has been covered in numerous threads but as this remains a topic of contention I see the need for further discussion.

Legislation isn't necessarily the only way to handle this type of situation. I refer you to Executive Order 9981. President Truman desegrigated the US Military despite facing reelection as well as a military opposed to the action. There is precident.

President Obama however, will do no such thing. He knows that like the issue of gay marriage, this is a no win poilitical situation for him. On one hand he knows that by taking these steps he possibly can offend the black community, (Prop 8 in Calif.) and on the other, he won't loose the gay vote, even if he does nothing. (What you'll vote Republican? RIGHT....).

I predict that you'll see alot of talk on the subject but I really wouldn't recomend holding your breath hoping to see any real action.

 

[opinterph]

I think the President intends to hold this card and play it [STRIKE]closer to an election[/STRIKE] at a more convenient time ... Maybe he needs to wait and see how much of his “political capital” he must spend on other “more-important stuff.”

There's increasing recognition within the armed forces that [DADT] is a counterproductive strategy - ya know, we're spending large sums of money to kick highly qualified gays or lesbians out of our military, some of whom possess specialties like Arab-language capabilities that we desperately need. That doesn't make us more safe," he said. – Barack Obama, April 2008 [Daily News]

President-elect Barack Obama will not move for months, and perhaps not until 2010, to ask Congress to end the military's decades-old ban on open homosexuals in the ranks, two people who have advised the Obama transition team on this issue say. [November 21, 2008]

WASHINGTON — The White House says President Barack Obama has begun consulting his top defense advisers on how to lift a ban on gays serving openly in the military …

The move enables Obama to say he's making good on his campaign promise to reverse the law, but doesn't lock him into doing so anytime soon. – March 2009 [Huffington Post]

 

[hotatlboi]

Legislation isn't necessarily the only way to handle this type of situation. I refer you to Executive Order 9981. President Truman desegrigated the US Military despite facing reelection as well as a military opposed to the action. There is precident.

The current policy is written into law. A president does not have any constitutional authority to overturn law by an executive order. To try and do so would be the same kind of gross overreach of executive authority that Obama (and especially Biden) blasted Bush/Cheney for.

It would not be a wise decision, for legitimate reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with gay rights.

 

[NickCole]

He did and if he does not there will be hell to pay.

 

[hotatlboi]

You think gay people will still be defending Obama on 2012 if there is no movement on gay rights at all in the next 3 years?

You're delusional. It's been less than 6 months and many groups are already up in arms.

 

[NickCole]

You think gay people will still be defending Obama on 2012 if there is no movement on gay rights at all in the next 3 years?

I can tell who will and who will not.

And who'll come out all feisty with her pearls in a twist and saying of people like me who forewarned about Obama, "even a broken clock is right twice a day!"

Obama is a master manipulator, part of which is utilizing manipulators who are taken in by him.

Barring some catastrophic event, Obama's supporters will be defending him past 2012.

And not only about gay rights. Gays accepting his dismissiveness is an easy one to call. You guys are so easy, and clearly he's aware of it (he's already erased DOMA off the WH website - that's dismissive!). I mean, please, the first black candidate who was clearly going to win (any Democrat would have won after Bush and against McCain!) stayed silent while it was reported that blacks, voting for him more than 90%, were going to vote for gay discrimination -- and gays defended him. Yeah there's going to be hell to pay.

But gay rights pale compared to the rest of it. The economic/financial reality coming down the pike because of Obama's mismanagement is what should really scare the living daylights out of you.

You're delusional. It's been less than 6 months and many groups are already up in arms.

Uh huh. They're raising all KINDS of hell.

 

[hotatlboi]

It's amusing to read posts from people who supported every disgraceful policy during their coward president's eight years of war on gays .

Are you referring to me? Because I didn't vote for Bush and I didn't support basically anything he did. I also voted for Obama.

You think just because I don't think Obama has the constitutional authority to end DADT by himself that I support Bush? That's some logic for you.

Your capacity for unfounded assumption appears quite high.

 

[hotatlboi]

I can tell who will and who will not.

Oh please spare us your smug I know everything about people crap. I've seen enough of your misreadings to know you highly overrate yourself.

 

[hotatlboi]

sorry then, it wasn't clear to me who you were referring to.

 

[Apollo]

I can tell who will and who will not.

And who'll come out all feisty with her pearls in a twist and saying of people like me who forewarned about Obama, "even a broken clock is right twice a day!"

Obama is a master manipulator, part of which is utilizing manipulators who are taken in by him.

Barring some catastrophic event, Obama's supporters will be defending him past 2012.

And not only about gay rights. Gays accepting his dismissiveness is an easy one to call. You guys are so easy, and clearly he's aware of it (he's already erased DOMA off the WH website - that's dismissive!). I mean, please, the first black candidate who was clearly going to win (any Democrat would have won after Bush and against McCain!) stayed silent while it was reported that blacks, voting for him more than 90%, were going to vote for gay discrimination -- and gays defended him. Yeah there's going to be hell to pay.

But gay rights pale compared to the rest of it. The economic/financial reality coming down the pike because of Obama's mismanagement is what should really scare the living daylights out of you.





Uh huh. They're raising all KINDS of hell.

I swear you wrote that post in another thread. I SWEAR...oh wait, thats what you always write...

 

[Glafna]

Oh please spare us your smug I know everything about people crap. I've seen enough of your misreadings to know you highly overrate yourself.

It's what Nick does. He comes in, spouts a bunch of anti-Obama crap, and tries to gears his readers towards the belief that anyone who supports Obama is a half-wit, a blind follower, or just someone who is easily made to believe something.

On issues involving Obama, as well as some not(even though he has tried to put Obama in everything he can) I've stopped paying attention.

He's a good poster, but he appears to have developed an obsessive complex.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Am I the only person who has heard of Due Process? Obama can't just wave his hand and make this disappear. He needs Congress. They're both kinda busy.

He's a good poster, but he appears to have developed an obsessive complex.

Not only that, even discussions that have NOTHING to do with Obama, he finds a way to twist it and throw Obama in the mix.

 

[BabiGayPimp]

I have predicted the ban on gays serving openly in the military will stand, in one way or another, for at least another 50 years. For the same basic reasons: they don't wants us, they don't need us, and they won't have us.

Obama will not risk his credibilty as a war leader by challenging longstanding military traditions.

Those gays who continue to serve in the closet are admirable for their patriotism, but may be inadvertently helping to preserve the status quo.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Those gays who continue to serve in the closet are admirable for their patriotism, but may be inadvertently helping to preserve the status quo.

There's an element of hypocrisy here. Some of the people railing on Obama for not spear-heading gay rights are the same ones who have never marched in a rally, never gone to a poll or only vote in the POTUS election, haven't done any campaigning or outreach for the community, haven't signed any petitions, et cetera.

 

[hotatlboi]

I have predicted the ban on gays serving openly in the military will stand, in one way or another, for at least another 50 years.

Don't think so. I think it will get done before Obama's first term is up.

 

[Centexfarmer]

There's an element of hypocrisy here. Some of the people railing on Obama for not spear-heading gay rights are the same ones who have never marched in a rally, never gone to a poll or only vote in the POTUS election, haven't done any campaigning or outreach for the community, haven't signed any petitions, et cetera.

Sites, links, proof to back up this statement?

I've been a Democrat since the Unity '92 Campaign that elected Clinton/Gore.

As memory serves, and as any google search will merit, it was Clinton that gave us Don't Ask Don't Tell, along with DOMA, Defense Of Marriage Act, which did more to solidify what the right-wing-nuts have been attempting to do (keep us in the closet, and second class citizens), and the only thing that the right has done (state by state) is to build on that.

As a Gay Democrat, I'm not holding my breath on Obama doing jack shit for any of us.

Or the Democratic Party for that matter.

The GOP uses us as political footballs to stir up their base to raise money for their campaigns, and the DNC just takes our money.

You do the math.

IOW, been there done that.

 

[Apollo]

I wonder if Obama is waiting until the mid-term elections to make his move? No matter what you say, once he overturns DADT (and I believe he will) there will be a outcry and a backlash from a lot of people.

The crazy christians may be crazy, but they know how to use the media to their advantage. They know how to mobilize people to fight for them even if those they mobilize doesnt represent how the majority of people feel on the subject.