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The price of Wal-Mart coming to town

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When Walmart opens a new store in a new community, it promises new jobs. . . and it delivers. But then something goes horribly wrong. Here are some excerpts from a report which I highly recommend you read in its entirety:

How 'new' jobs become no jobs
Academic studies -- about the only ones considered truly objective -- have calculated the decline in jobs at other businesses. Within the first year, hundreds of other retail jobs are lost, leaving a net gain of just 100 retail jobs in any given county, according to research by University of Missouri economist Emek Basker.

After five years, an additional 50 are lost as more businesses close, leaving a net gain of 50 retail jobs. Factor in 20 supply jobs lost, because Wal-Mart operates its own distribution centers, and you're left with a net gain of 30 jobs. The study was not able to calculate with statistical accuracy the changes in neighbouring counties.

A study led by David Neumark, an economist at the University of California, Irvine, counted a net loss of 150 jobs after a Wal-Mart opened. Wal-Mart didn't create jobs; it destroyed them. For every person who got a job at Wal-Mart, 1.4 other retail workers lost theirs.

This doesn't even get into broader ripples of the Wal-Mart effect on manufacturing jobs. Its cost-cutting makes it a leader in moving production overseas. The Economic Policy Institute, a non-profit Washington, D.C., think tank interested in protecting middle- and low-income Americans, estimated the loss at 77 U.S. manufacturing jobs for every Wal-Mart.

The Wal-Mart model
When Robert E. Scott, an economist with the Economic Policy Institute, talks about manufacturing jobs driven overseas by Wal-Mart, he likes to relay "an amazing" story he heard at a trade dinner.

A Montana farm sold mint to an American toothpaste company. One day the toothpaste company mysteriously ceased its orders.

Wal-Mart, the toothpaste company explained, had decided that by its calculations a cheaper toothpaste could be made by importing vats of mint oil from China. Wal-Mart, known for trying to reduce costs by 5% every year, said it wanted to buy the cheaper paste and would find somebody else to make it, if necessary. The farm took a serious financial hit.

The story is remarkable to Scott because it is not traditionally the role of the retail buyer to design a cheaper mousetrap and tell other companies to build it. But any book on Wal-Mart's bullish drive to lower prices would reveal that it's hardly unique for suppliers to feel driven overseas to reduce costs.

When Scott crunched the numbers, he traced a loss of 200,000 U.S. manufacturing jobs to China just by looking at Wal-Mart's additional sales for the six years ending in 2006. That's 33,333 jobs per year, or 641 every week.

Those numbers don't include the hundreds of thousands of jobs already lost to meet existing sales, he said. Nor do they take into account U.S. manufacturing jobs that suppliers to Wal-Mart moved to other countries, such as Mexico, Vietnam, Thailand and India.

"Total job displacement may be two or three times as high as what I estimated there," Scott said. "The question is who is going to make the goods that go in those shelves, and that's what's being overlooked and hidden in the PR statements from companies like Wal-Mart."

"This is not just a problem with Wal-Mart," Scott points out. However, "in the retail sector, they really led the way. Everybody is now following the Wal-Mart model."

The Full Report: http://finance.sympatico.msn.ca/investing/insight/article.aspx?cp-documentid=20927237
 
Not surprising.

But isn't this the ideal western capitalist model? Just streamline and streamline until there is only one incredibly efficient juggernaut producer/retailer. Get your shit made elsewhere really cheap. Own your own distribution if possible.

Sell things at an 'incredibly low price' to people who don't need or even necessarily want more cheap shit made in sweat shops or food so inexpensive they just have to go back for thirds.

It was the model of the industrial age, the thing that made the British Empire, the mantra of General Motors.

And then all the workers who used to make, ship and sell things inefficiently are freed up to do...........

Well, I guess we're just running out of things for the dispossessed to do.

Welcome to the post-industrial age.

My antidote to this is to go to the souk in Istanbul.
 
There was a great documentary made called 'Wal Mart the high cost of low prices'.
It makes you want to never step foot in one of those hell pits again. I went in one once and ran out having broken out in hives. True story.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GINui9LdIQ[/ame]
 
It sounds like more union bullshit to me. Walmart built a better mouse trap why so don't people accept it? When you open a business you take a risk on its success. Target can put someone out of business just as easily as walmart.

Our little farmer's closed when the big produce chain Sprouts opened up a couple of years ago. The farmers couldn't compete with the price, quality, and variety. It happens.

As far as manufacturing jobs going over sees, the vast majority of products produced in China haven't been produced in the US for decades. Ten percent of our gross domestic product is still generated by Walmart. That's huge. I'm not a fan of Walmart; but you must admit their prices have helped a lot of people during this economic slow down.
 
It sounds like more union bullshit to me.

That is a contradiction in terms. A union wouldn't be painting such a bleak picture of their activities. Yet another denial of accumulated facts and independent studies.
 
I'm not a fan of Walmart; but you must admit their prices have helped a lot of people during this economic slow down.

How do you come to that conclusion? Sounds more like Walmart's low prices are a contributing factor to the economic slowdown. The low prices are why so many people are out of work, they're why so many people have less money.

I mean... do you praise the crack dealer for selling cheap drugs to people since their drug addiction has lead to their unemployment?

As far as bashing unions goes... yes.. some unions help lazy people stay working, but unions ALSO keep working conditions safe, keep businesses from over-working and underpaying employees and keep employers from promising but not delivering things like health care, bonuses, bereavement leave, raises and firing someone without cause.

Don't dump on unions too much.. some are bad for sure but most unions protect workers a lot more than the anti-union people will have you think.
 
When we are down to Wal-Mart and nothing else the workers will unionize.
 
Wal-Mart doesn't care about its customers or its employees. They care about profits. Why are there over 40 check out lines at the Wal-Mart and only six of them are open? Because they don't want to pay more people to run the registers so then I have to wait 15 minutes in line just to get a gallon of milk.
 
If a company can offer the same quality with fewer people, at the same or lesser price, then that is fantastic. I work hard for my money and I don't want to spend it on keeping people working inefficiently.

But I don't shop at Wal-Mart. I don't like bargains, I like quality. I don't like the lowest common denominator, I like unique goods. I don't like something serviceable, I like something exquisite. I would rather have fewer, better things.

But a lot of people would rather supersize their fast-food lives. Get a bigger, cheaper house filled with plastic furniture...get more t-shirts at a cheaper price.. They'd buy them by the bale if they could. Cheaper cuts of meat so they can eat more of it as they snack from larger bags of junk food.

I don't shop at Wal-Mart because I don't think they offer the same quality more efficiently. I think they offer far less in terms of quality and service, drop the prices only a bit, and then pocket the difference. For everyone who thinks they are such a bargain, well, no - anything that profitable is not a bargain. They have huge margins that you pay for.
 
So what are the options? Like many of you, I snub Walmart only to shop at Target, which has many of the same practices. I DO try to buy goods made in the United States whenever I can but that is becoming increasingly difficult.

My biggest fear? The day we start importing food products en masse from China. Lord only knows what chemicals & plastics we'll be eating then.

You know, when posting to an international audience on the net, it might be best to not post comments that make people want to go out of their way to avoid American-made things.

Americans sell things abroad too. If people aren't interested in free trade, I just don't get it...but at least don't shoot your own country's exports in the foot by promoting trade isolationism.
 
Sure, I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is, I'm not. I honestly just feel that America is the best country and the other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.


*waits for someone to take that seriously*
 
People always complain about how shitty WalMart is, if your business fails after the opening of a WalMart store then your business was a pile of shit too. People were only shopping with you because there was nothing better around.
 
Are you serious? Do you realize that American consumers represent 2/3 of the world's purchasing power? Quite frankly if Americans only bought American, we would most likely not have to sell to other countries. I DO promote trade isolationism and the protection of American jobs! And quite frankly I find it rather silly that other countries would not advocate the same for their goods.

Actually, Europe is a far bigger market than the States, so there is no way for your country to have a 2/3 share. My country is just doing a free trade deal with Europe, and we're building a pipeline to the west coast to sell our oil to Asia. If you don't want trade with Canada, fine. Keep your jobs that other people can do better and cheaper. Tie people up underperforming in "locally made" protectionist markets instead of doing what you do best and selling it abroad. We'll grow our wealth through trade with others. Other people want what we have to sell.
 
It has been a known fact for years that when a walmart comes to town it kills several business in the process.

Then some people have the nerve to say that they used to bring a problem to a local camera store and now that store is gone. Not that they would buy at the camera store but instead bought at walmart.

I am a little sour to this subject as I too was pushed out of business by larger competion
 
So Mr. Bush, how are you finding retired life? I'm assuming bored since you're cruising gay porn sites, but hey I hear the Texas heat is stifling this time of the year. :lol: :badgrin:


Well, writing the memoirs is slightly more difficult than I originally assumed. Sugarcoating how I fucked up this country is a bit of an undertaking.
 
My biggest fear? The day we start importing food products en masse from China. Lord only knows what chemicals & plastics we'll be eating then.

Well then go to the cheapest low-price store that you can find, and have a look where the cheapest onions, garlic or rice is coming from.
 
Wal-mart i know tons of people who work there and they said they like it there. I used to work at target and they treated me like crap target and kmart stuff is made from china i don't see the big deal

long live walmart,kmart,target,etc
 
Wal-mart i know tons of people who work there and they said they like it there. I used to work at target and they treated me like crap target and kmart stuff is made from china i don't see the big deal

long live walmart,kmart,target,etc

There was a lovely article posted here a few months ago about a man who went to walmart and got a job to see what it was really like.
 
I am a definite follower of the handmade movement. People like me that make a product by hand and take the time to do it right provide a product that will last. Although to be honest it is next to impossible now for me to buy a blank T shirt made in Canada or the US. I do my best to avoid buying any blanks made in China at anytime. Their cotton often reminds me of Cheesecloth once I start work on it.

The handmade movement has begun to grow and mature over the last few years as more and more people realize the value of a quality product that has not been mass produced for the Market place. Look at Etsy.com and how well they are doing. By the way we also sell through there as well as our web page.

Multiple mass production does not encourage divergence, creativity, or improvements in technology as it applies to real improvements in your life.
 
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