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I would suggest that if you meet someone you like and then find out that they've had a lot of partners, consider how long ago that person was into the whole "cheap fuck" scene. People change, and just because they have done some things in the past does not mean they will do them again.

Most importantly, be careful who you trust, and keep your eyes open. There are a lot of good single men floating around...;)
 
if those are your beliefs, you just have to keep looking. there are people out there who are committed to the one they fall in love with. and the prior history of casual sex is only that - prior history. others are trying to validate their desirability with some kind of score card of conquests - one day they will have a score card - period. as for integrity and sex experiences together, i don't confuse the two. a person could have a lot of casual sex with people they liked for no other reason than it was fun, and they could be as trustworthy and valuable a friend as is possible to have. another person might say no sex until we're committed and be as fraudulent and unreliable as could be imagined.
good luck on finding this particular guy. for me, sex on the first date happened if there was the chemistry for it to happen. it didn't mean anything else at that moment. nobody was cheap or shallow because of it. neither was anyone noble.
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Only you can decide, what is right and good for you.

But I believe, you had known that bit for a while now, hadn't you?

I also believe that the key point of your posting is this:

but here lately I'm feeling increasingly alienated in the gay community.

After three years of being out (to all but my family that'd disown me, of course), everything I've seen has led me to believe that a depressing majority of all gay relationships are about sex and physically related things.

Now, I've toned myself down a considerable amount. I once left a boy in a Best Buy because he checked someone else out in front of me. Alas, even with cutting a few losses and picking my battles, it feels like a hopeless cause. It feels like you constantly have to compete with other guys. It's exhausting.

In my experience, you can't have anything with a guy if you're not willing to immediately give him sex. And when I find out a guy I like has had a ridiculous amount of sexual partners, I simply can't take him seriously. I know it's an important part of any healthy relationship, but where's the integrity? Is it really so prudish to have a little bit of standard?

The more I'm on the market, the more it feels like a frantic bid for a few cheap fucks and shallow emotional leechcraft.

Maybe I'm a little too naive.

Yup. You are right. The majority of m2m relationships is about sex. Not all of them. But a huge percentage by all means. Men simply like to get their rocks off. You may not like it that way, but that's what it is. And judging by the course of human history, this is not going to change anytime soon.

So, you are different. No wonder, you feel alienated. That's the burden every social group puts upon the shoulders of any member, who does not conform with the prevailing mores. So, accept your alienation as a most natural thing to happen under your circumstances.

You feel like a 'hopeless case'. And you have been trying to amend your ways, in view of the 'hopeless case' feeling. You want to look into this very carefully. If your ways are not producing satisfactory results, wouldn't it be only appropriate to amend them until they start producing good results.

Yes, you are absolutely right. On one level or the other, you will always have to compete with other guys out there. Accept that challenge and master it. Nothing kills more long and hard sought after relationships than that feeling that your partner is taking you for granted and that there is nothing you ought to be doing to keep that relationship going. Yup. It is exhausting alright. Most of the good things in life are.

Besides being very sexual and mostly highly promiscious, a few of us have been burnt at least once. We went through all the dating, romance and once we really fell in love, it was only to discover that our partners did not really make us happy between the sheets. I am one of the guys, who swore never to make that mistake again. Take my word on it.

It is a common mistake to believe that my BF's history really starts with me. If personal history really matters to you that much, start looking for the guys, who are still virgins. That'll be a very difficult thing to do, but that might be your only way? Or choose to accept the reality of the world around you and work within the given environment.

Nope, it is not very prudish to have a little standard. But you want to think twice about establishing the extent of that standard? So far, it must have been gauged in a manner that left you embittered and alone for three years.

Wouldn't you be willing to redefine it?

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You sound like the perfect man. I agree with you on every level. Reading the posts here on JUB can get you thinking that every gay guys is whoring themselves around town, but I can say that you are not alone in you ways (there are at least two of us). And I can tell you that I find someone that has standards and will wait for love before they make love to be much more attractive than all those other boys.
Looks like there's 3 of us now. I wouldn't go as far as to leave someone in a Best Buy if they were checking someone out (cause I can't help myself either), but otherwise, I agree with the OP as well.
 
Hey Matt!

Don't you worry. Your not alone in this gay culture. There are guys (like me) that are looking for old school relationships. Now I'm afraid that my experience is that most guys under the age of 30, are only interested in the old wham bam thank you sir can I have another. :(

oh well..it is possible to find that relationship your looking for, it just take alittle longer then normal. Hell If i was your age again and lived near you...I'd take you up on that offer of a nice pillow fort and saturday morning cartoons! ;)
 
You seem to have bought into the stereotype that gays are more promiscuous than the population in general and the hetero world in particular. I don't think gay men are any more promiscuous than hetero men would like to be except that men in general are less likely to play games than women and therefore are more likely to hook up. Think of it this way: Given a choice, wouldn't you have sex as often as you can even if it means with multiple partners?
 
Matt, please don't be too judgmental of those who have had more sex partners than you. Different people view sex in different ways and that doesn't make them any less of a good person. There are some that would judge you for having had multiple sex partners at 18 (I assume multiple by the way you said you could count the number on one hand - seems to indicate more than one). As long as someone doesn't have a history of cheating and are disease free, I wouldn't worry about the number of partners they have had in the past. What's important is your relationship with them and that they will commit to you. I fully understand and support your desire to develop a relationship before sex. I prefer to do the same thing. I'm sure you will find the right guy for you.
 
Read my blog - maybe you'll notice that I have exactly the same problem ;) You're not alone out there, but there are very few of us, who want a serious relationship without having sex as the first thing.
 
I think there are more out there than you think. But I think that many guys take the easy road when it comes down to it rather than working on building a relationship. I claim most guys want that long lasting relationship. It's just that they don't want to put the time and effort into it. But there are those that will.

And as to ditching a guy b/c he was checking somebody out.... that might be a problem. See, guys are always going to be attracted to other guys. But in a committed relationship you know that the attraction isn't going to lead to action. If you think you're going to find a guy who's only attracted to you (or you only attracted to him) and won't find other guys physically attractive, you're kidding yourself. It won't happen. You have to have the self confidence to not get bothered by this and the trust that he won't act on his impulses.
 
hey Matt,

Dont let yourself be fooled by stereotypes. We as gay men of all people should know the dangers in believing what we think everyone else believes.

Your values and morals are extremely important, and they're admirable. Dont lower your expectations or feel that its a lost cause. As you can see here there are plenty of others who agree with you. The world is full of people who think and feel differently. And the gay community is just the same...in fact I'd wager that most of the promiscuous guys would settle too if they could find the right guy.

But Matt....life is about compromise too. There are always extremes and while your values are yours, the extent to which you judge others just may prevent you from finding happiness and the love you deserve. There are a lot of people who would value and yearn to be with someone like you...but you run the risk of pushing them away by being unrealistic in your expectations.

Admiration, envy and lust for another human being is normal behavior. We all experience emotions we sometimes wish we didnt. To expect someone not to look at others set you up for a life of misery.

Stick to your values and your expectations - you are right to do so. But leave room enough for your partner to be human. He can possess those things that you long for, he can still be loyal, loving and true. He can be all you want him to be. But if you want to keep him and be happy, remember that he's human too.
 
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