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The real Zack and Jay

Jeff,
I'd invite you to re-read the story. I think you've filtered the story from your vantage point - we all do, but I think you've missed or mis-interpreted Zack's behaviour.

Note: Kevin may or may not see your post for awhile - he's off to school for three weeks. He doesn't have ready access to web where he is, unless there's a restaurant/coffee house that has wifi - and he doesn't drink coffee! He just left today. We'll all have to wait and see. I told him Vacation was over - time to get back to work and post another chapter or three - his fans are hungry! If you've read his asides, you know he's gone through Hell this past year. Things are looking up, and he's looked forward to this school with excitement for several weeks, now.

Zack could be seen as your perennial Eagle Scout, or whatever the equivalent rank in Lord Mountbatten's UK Boy Scouts is -- Be Prepared. (Aside from the fact that they have an anti-gay policy.)

Zack's formative years were with loving parents who didn't always have a lot of money - certainly none to spare. He learned responsibility the old fashioned way. That doesn't mean he didn't have a childhood, but he had one perhaps more like mine (I'm 52) than a current 20 year old's. Much like my grandparents, who lived through the Great Depression, they were frugal with their money once they found their pot of gold at the end of their rainbow. They rewarded Zack with good, solid, positive reinforcement. They have used their money lovingly and wisely, not always just doling it out "just because."

He was taught the benefits of working hard -- and he applied himself. Compound that with his self-realization that he was gay, and getting beat up early on, giving him incentive to learn martial arts - which reinforces discipline and "right thinking".

Then, his best friend from the time he was a baby, and his lover, outs himself and can't deal with the consequences - and Zack had to cope with that. All of which he's done admirably - not without personal moments of crying - that's normal.

He's applied himself and reaped the benefits - his artwork sales while in High School netted him enough money to buy a fully outfitted Mach Mustang -- any semi-normal teenage American Boy's wet dream of a car. It was certainly mine. Trans AM was nice, 'Vette was too, but FORD Mustang Cobra (Carl Shelby edition) was the top of the line when I was 18. Mach 5.0liter is today's commercial king hot rod. I'd imagine Astin Martin (with a MUCH higher $$, or perhaps a BMW 3-series would be similar in UK). But, America has had a long love affair with our automobiles -- moreso than most of Europe, I think.

He has his head squarely on his shoulders. No, he doesn't drink -- his martial arts training and his parents have taught him responsible behaviour. He doesn't party - as I mentioned to Sooner86 in an earlier post, my son and his friends, while they have enjoyed a visit or three to the local Irish Pub to tip back a pint, didn't until they were 21. Zack is 20. He's respected the law - good for him. Drinking in Europe comes at a younger age, and has different mores associated with it. We Americans are perhaps still too parochial in our thinking, but 18 was the drinking age when I was younger, I went bar hopping at 17 and got away with it. My son is much further ahead and has his head on his shoulders more squarely than I ever did at that age.

As for Shawn - Zack is a light sleeper, Jay sleeps like a ton of bricks. That has been pointed out several times. So Zack, rather than waking Jay, prolonging the amount of time till Shawn gets taken care of, lovingly does what needs doing. Jay has been a bit slow in taking care of Shawn, and a bit short with him. Zack has mentioned it to Jay, and encouraged him to take a more active role in his nephew/son's care.

That may go back to the difference in their upbringing, and where they were mentally. We know Zack's story. Jay was a jock -- he was a late child to his parents, so he likely was a bit spoiled -- the older kids typically wear down the ardent "no" response of parents. As we get older, we give in more easily. While he did do well academically, as per his partial ride scholarship, he still didn't have the more frugal upbringing of Zack. His parents had more. Personally, I've also wondered if maybe part of Jay being short with Shawn was a little bit of repressed anger at his brother for dying on him and leaving him with this great responsibility -- but that's just my conjecture. I'm not the author, so I'm not the expert.

Finally, Zack is a sensitive young man. One of the things he dreamed of having, but never figured he would, was children of his own. As a parent of three (Kevin is the father of four, by the way) I know all too well the enormous, absolute, unconditional love a parent feels for their children (otherwise, we might be like some other species and Eat our young when they give us a hard time!). Zack got to know this lovable child over Christmas break, then came to love him as his own after the accident.

As for the phone. Jay, again, is not as serious/prepared/mature as Zack. You're right in that respect. Jay takes after his mom re: keeping the cell phone charged. Remember what Zack has gone through, first as a kid, then at Harvard - his roommate beat his GF, some Jocks pounded on a gay student just down the hall from Zack. He has sound experience to want to be careful. Plus, they have the responsibility of a child. You Can't be absent minded when you have a child to take care of.

None of this means that Zack is near the deep end. I think you've misconstrued. Yes, it would be great if he could be afforded the luxury of being able to "lighten up". If Jay accepts a bit more responsibility, perhaps he could. But in reality, as a parent, I can tell you, no, he can't. It just isn't in the mix. They take kids away from parents who are less responsible.

There is an expression "It's not what you say, it's how you say it." There's a lot of truth to that. It's also even more telling of the recipient's mindset to see how they received/interpret something. Perhaps you are more stressed than you realize? OR, maybe like Sooner86, your life experiences make it hard for you to accept that an 18-20 year old could really be that mature and handle it with applomb.

They are a rare breed, but they do exist. Particularly when they are being written by someone of an older generation than the person portrayed. The more conservative style of upbringing they experienced plays out in their characters.

Please try to be more open to Kevin's representation of these boys. They are a bit too perfect, but this is also fiction, so it's permissible. They aren't completely perfect, though, or we'd all have tuned out months ago. I find myself rooting for the kids, wanting to step in and help when I can -- even though they do seem to fall into it (good fortune) a lot.

Thanks,
Don Quixote -- with my own Impossible Dreams, n,est c,est pas? :wave: (*8*)
 
Don Quixote, Thank you for your reply in Kevins stead, while I agree with almost all you have written in reply for Kevin, my comments were for him. As all authors on JUB ask for feedback on there stories then I am sorry but there must also be critical comments as well as good. I have reread the story several times, firstly as I think its an incredible read but secondly when I get involved in a story I try and put myself in the characters role and in doing so have felt that the story is going in a direction that could in my opinion take something away from it. I have not spoken out aloud of my thoughts as to do so may take away from Kevin any future story lines that he maybe thinking of in case we are on the same wave length.
If Kevin wishes to private me for an explanation of my comments I will gladly speak to him. Maybe as author he can explain these points without revealing future story lines and maybe in doing so find that I may have some valid point on certain things.
Thanks for your input, Kevin you are aways welcome to contact me if you wish, hurry back I as others need the next chapter.
Jeff.
 
ukbrit

I agree that your comments are welcome to the author and knowing Kevin he will be glad to respond. As Don said Kevin is temp out of contact with the net and will be back in about a month or so. I kinda see your point on Zack as well maybe he needs to see some more theorpy.

Mike
 
Jeff,
First, I should have included a disclaimer that the opinions expressed by this reader do not necessarily represent the opinions of the author of this thread, or the management of Just us Boys. The interpretations are mine. I did not mean to represent them as Kevin's, or have you interpret them that way.

While I believe I am closer in my interpretation of their behaviour than your statements, they remain just that, my interpretations.

I'm sure Kevin will welcome your thoughts -- he, as most authors do, repeatedly ask for feedback, and he has responded to my private musings and the public posts I have seen.

I started reading Zack & Jay on Nifty.org, where Kevin originally started the post of this story, and e-mail was the only manner of communicating.

I, too, have sent him posts with feedback. As I mentioned to Ian (Sooner86) when I wrote to him, I tended to focus more on spelling type issues for reading clarity, while not taking issue on details of the story thread too much - I want to leave the authors wide license to present their stories, including poetic license. That doesn't mean I haven't pondered where a story might head, or perhaps commented if something felt too far afield.

You did the same, and are free to do so. I didn't mean to detract from that right.

That's one of the great things about this forum - we can all interact with one another, and take polite exception or poke fun at one another, not just dialogue with the author.

Some of the threads I read have more interaction of this sort than others -- some involve REAL people and their REAL lives - at a not too distant point in the past. The readers have adopted these kids, sending out their advice, their thoughts, their prayers, their hopes, while also telling them how HOT they are and how much they appreciate sharing the intimate details of their sex lives so the rest of us can get off on it!

Welcome to the Zack & Jay thread. I hope Kevin finds a WIFI where he is so he can respond to all of us sometime before he is done in three weeks!

:wave:
 
Hi KK, I have been reading this story from the start and to be honest I am starting to get worried about Zack. From the start you described him as someone who could pass as a forty year old, he paints etc, painted the presidents portrait for her, been to court on trumped up kidnapping charges, seems to be overly possessive of shawn in fact treats him as his own child when poor Jay seems to hardly get a look in at looking after him when in fact Shawn is Jays nephew, he never for use of a word "plays" have fun and behave like a late teen early twenty year old that he is, he goes off the deep end if he does not know of jays every where abouts or if his phone is off he throws a tantrum, now "he" is taking on another baby. Sorry, but with school and everything else he is supposed to do time is a luxury he does not seem to have and I can not help but see him heading for a nervous breakdown if he carries on as he is. He is becoming more possessive all the time I just wonder how long Jay will put up with it. Its still a story I enjoy, but it is starting to get very heavy.
Jeff.

Jeff,

I know you can't see it yet, but I promise everything will become very clear in the next chapter why things are going the way they are.

And the cell phone "reminder" will also be explained. I'm sorry I can't say more but I won't ruin chapter 17. I have it all planned out in my head now just need to find a little free time to write it. I have been really busy with driving school. Things should slow done soon. I have my permit. Another 2 weeks of school!

Thanks for reading,

Kevin
 
Hey, Everybody --
I thought you'd like to know -- our favorite author in absentia just passed his driving test for his CDL/C - he's going to be a bad ass mother trucker coming(cumming?!) soon to a city near you!

Will we ever learn how Zack and Jay and Shawn are doing, now that the boy is going to be driving all over the place and seeing the USA thru the windshield of an 18 wheeler?

On the plus side, he bought an AT&T wireless broadband for his laptop, so he stands a chance of being connected when he's out on the road!

Congratulations, Kevin! We're all glad for you. Even while we've been pestering you publicly AND privately to get your muse back in the saddle!!
 
Everyone,

I need to apologize for the long delay in Zack and Jay. I have been extremely busy with my new job. I am currently with a driver/trainer with my new employer. Traveling all over the country hauling goods from one place to another. I've been as far north as New Hampshire and as far south as Laredo, Texas about a mile from the Mexican border, New York City to the middle of Oklahoma. I have seen a lot of our country and can't wait to see more.

I still don't have chapter 17 written yet, but I am slowly working on it. I just ask that you bare with me while I get settled into my new career.

I have told my close friends this so I might as well tell everyone. As most of you know I started writing Zack and Jay as a way of trying to deal with the emotional problems I was having coming to terms with the fact that I am gay after being married for almost 17 years. It then changed into what I want in a relationship. Writing this has been very therapeutic for me, especially chapter 16 part 2. Only a couple of you know this, but every word of part 2 is real. Every word of it happened. Sam's story is mine. That's why I couldn't admit that I was gay when I knew it at 17 or 18 years old. Shit probably before that. I never told anyone any of that until last June when I told a very dear friend. To him I need to say thank you again. I've said it before and I will say it again, I owe my life to you. You don't know how much you mean to mean. After finally getting it off my chest I was able to admit I am gay. Writing chapter 16 helped me finally let it go and recover from the emotional pain I carried for 20 years.

I have decided to end Zack and Jay as I don't feel the need to write it anymore. There will be at least 2 more chapters. But after that I can't say for sure. And I can't say for sure how long it will take me to write them.

I would like to apologize to all of my readers for ending the story, but it has done it's job for me. This has been my "saving grace" over the last year and I no longer need to hold on to it.

Kevin
 
Kevin,
I just wanted to let you know I have been following your story on another site and I am glad things are going good for you. I would like nothing more than for you to drop everything and finish writing this story but, we all know that will not happen and it shouldn't happen. I wish you all the luck in the world and I will patiently wait for your next chapter.
 
Kevin,
You know you've been in our thoughts and prayers as you've walked your very personal journey. Thank you for sharing as much of your ideal world with us as you did. Zack & Jay resonate with a lot of us because of what they represented.

I knew what they were to you, and that's why I sometimes intervened when maybe I shouldn't have on the posts. At the time, I knew how important your little corner of Eden was to your budding psyche. Where others were trying to provide constructive criticism, or open a challenging dialogue over a work of fiction, I knew it was much more than that to you at the time.

We are all better people for having had a chance to get to know Zack & Jay, and thru them, you. Enjoy your ride down the highway, and feel free to keep us all posted on your new journey of seeing the USA thru the windshield of an 18 wheeler.

I have enjoyed getting to know you through our IM's, just shooting the shit to pass the time, or so you have a sounding board or someone to say "Lucy, I'm (NOT) home!" to at the end of a shift. I'll miss the continuation of the story, but I'm glad we can continue to IM and be friends.

Take care, my friend. You know I'm only an e-mail away any time you want to reach out to me any time, day or night. And, if I happen to be on AIM, You know you can tell me about the fun and challenges, just so you have someone constant to talk to.

Zack & Jay & Shawn, we'll miss you, but we know you're still out there, getting to know each other better and continuing to grow. Who knows, some day we might hear about Shawn's first day of kindergarten out of the blue. Or, we might find out about his kid brother if the spirit ever moves Kevin.

Shalom. Peace. And in the inimitable words of Roy Rogers, Happy Trails to You, Until we Meet, again. Or, meet, period!

I'm sure I'll be seeing your comments on other threads and your IM's.

Take Care, my friend. "Later."
 
Kevin--
I only wish the best for you. Stories are for telling and you've already told us your most important story. Sure, like everyone else, I'd like the satisfaction of seeing Zack and Jay's story wrapped up for us. But we can wait. I for one am not going anywhere soon. So take your time and take care of yourself.
 
restinpeace,

Yes the story will continue. As I said in my last post I am very busy at the present time with my new career. I have not had the time I need to sit down and write. A truckers life is hard enough to live without trying to find time to sit down and write and put the time and effort into a story like Zack and Jay. I set a standard with the first 16 chapters that I will not let slide now. My readers have an expectation and I will live up to that. It's just going to take some time. I am sorry for the delay but it can not be avoided.

Chapter 17 is progressing slowly. Given time hopefully it will be as good if not better than its predecessors.

Kevin
 
Thanks for the update Kevin. I would prefer you to put out a good chapter than a hurried chapter.
 
New York City to the middle of Oklahoma. I have seen a lot of our country and can't wait to see more.

LOL. Why is "the middle of Oklahoma" always used as the antithesis of New York City? Because this is what's in the middle of Oklahoma...just sayin!

Oklahoma%20City.jpg

who knew?
 
(Zach and Jay have been kidnapped and are currently being held captive in Southern Alabama at a Pilot Travel Center.)

OK, it's really Kevin who's down there. He's been a busy boy, driving all over the eastern half of the US.

Thought some of you might like to know.
 
restinpeace,

Yes the story will continue. As I said in my last post I am very busy at the present time with my new career. I have not had the time I need to sit down and write. A truckers life is hard enough to live without trying to find time to sit down and write and put the time and effort into a story like Zack and Jay. I set a standard with the first 16 chapters that I will not let slide now. My readers have an expectation and I will live up to that. It's just going to take some time. I am sorry for the delay but it can not be avoided.

Chapter 17 is progressing slowly. Given time hopefully it will be as good if not better than its predecessors.

Kevin

it's ok Kevin, as long as u keep the originality of your story...I just miss the story so much...and can't wait to know more about Zack and Jay's 2nd child...
 
(Zach and Jay have been kidnapped and are currently being held captive in Southern Alabama at a Pilot Travel Center.)

OK, it's really Kevin who's down there. He's been a busy boy, driving all over the eastern half of the US.

Thought some of you might like to know.

O what ever would we do without DonQuixote to update us all?!!!!!

Do tell where is he going next what is he carrying now when will he write again if ever? Like volkswagon "Its vhat da people want!"

Maybe if we are lucky Don will take over the story via Kevin since he knows what he thinks and is doing and that way he can write it for the poor over taxed Kevin!!!

(!)(!)(!)(!)(!)(!)(!)(!)
 
Hi everyone :wave:,

Just wanted to give you all a heads up that chapter 17 is almost done! (!):=D:(!) I can't believe it has been 7 months. I didn't think it would take me this long. Again I am sorry for the delay.

Kevin
 
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