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The reason HBO Looking Got cancelled show was too white

I personally liked Looking. But, I think it didn't catch on because some people might have considered Drifting to be a more accurate title for how its stories and characters flowed. It had to do with the execution. It reminds me why actress/writer/director/producer Bonnie Hunt had one failed series after another—that feeling of a given series being too quiet in a television era where the stakes are even higher to either immediately catch on with an audience or to get out. HBO's Looking could have been renewed for a third full season; but, it probably would have been canceled after that third, rather than after the second, season anyway. I'm sorry that Looking has been canceled by HBO. I think it had more potential and that its half-hour time-slot wasn't sufficient in storytelling. (That it needed a one-hour slot where episodes could vary between 45 to 60 minutes in length.) But, more than anything, I believe the pace in the execution was the most critical reason for the cancellation of Looking.
 
CoolBlue71 said:
I think it had more potential and that its half-hour time-slot wasn't sufficient in storytelling. (That it needed a one-hour slot where episodes could vary between 45 to 60 minutes in length.) But, more than anything, I believe the pace in the execution was the most critical reason for the cancellation of Looking.
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^THIS. And often times it was really only 20 minutes, with 10 minutes of the creator/producer guy talking about the episode. Every episode felt like it was over right when I was getting invested in it. Too much tease and not enough reveal. It felt more like one of those Youtube shorts like "BLUE" was/is.

I'm surprised to hear people say they couldn't relate to it. I found it highly relatable. Far more so than QAF. I saw far more of myself and friends I've known in LOOKING than I ever did in QAF. The guys were cute, but not unobtainable. They had realistic jobs (or lack thereof), and had realistic dating/job problems and hung out in realistic places. Everything about QAF was in this unobtainable high end, out of my league realm I could never relate to, nor do I know anyone who is in that world.

As I recall, QAF and Will and Grace were both predominantly white. Were there complaints about those shows?
 
MrMojoRisin said:
How is it the show creator's responsibility to represent the entire gay community? That's an impossible task!
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I don't think people are always looking for every single aspect to be explore, but more diversity in race would be nice. Not the greatest example and even though it is a comedy, community has characters from different races, age groups and religious backgrounds that the show plays off of. Like I said I know a comedy isn't a great example but shows can do it and it is just a matter if the writers/creators want to do it.

There's no excuse as why there can't be more diversity in all aspects of people in a show.
 
borg69unimatrix said:
As I recall, QAF and Will and Grace were both predominantly white. Were there complaints about those shows?
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Oh if that's directed at me I have some. Heaps. Queer as Folk was especially problematic because it actually used a black man's body as a symbol for the depths what's his dude fell to during his drug use (Ted? is that the name?). (I mean the American version. Never saw the British one.) Will and Grace more bothered me for being like a trip to a theme park than for its whole "black people aren't real lalalalala" thing.
 
MakeDigitalLove said:
I don't think people are always looking for every single aspect to be explore, but more diversity in race would be nice. Not the greatest example and even though it is a comedy, community has characters from different races, age groups and religious backgrounds that the show plays off of. Like I said I know a comedy isn't a great example but shows can do it and it is just a matter if the writers/creators want to do it.

There's no excuse as why there can't be more diversity in all aspects of people in a show.
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Yet in shows like "Mike and Molly" the two black characters seem like token roles, and comedic relief as stereotypical down trodden... not really adding anything of value to the show or the black cause.
 
Here's the simple fact - HBO looks at the ratings for all their series and the lowest rated ones are the most apt to be cancelled. Same with the mainstream networks. It's not an issue of "whiteness", it's an issue of a lack of viewers. Simple as that. The fact that a TV movie to finish out the story lines has been suggested means a network exec is trying to fair to the fans.
 
As bad and unrealistic as I've read here about this show, it can't possibly be as bad and unrealistic as Discovery's Amish Mafia.
 
IamNoah said:
a) Are non-whiteness and ugliness the same thing? b) Julia Louis-Dreyfuss is almost too hot for words bruh.
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@No, but I'm pretty sure everyone but Mike is tired of the People W/Out Flaws pretending to be, say, damn near anyone on a tv show at this point. I can't tell any of them apart anymore. Generic thin white guy, generic thin white woman - your average tv show runs together to the point where it's useless for me to even try to listen to it because they also sound the same. b. I'm no good at putting names to faces.
 
Julia Louis-Dreyfuss:
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This is prolly sacrilege but I'm not recognizing her. To be clear I'd prolly recognize her voice but tv's are so small image-wise that going by looks for me is usually redundant unless the show actually has a diverse cast. Sleepy hollow is a good example of me at least being able to identify characters by what I can tell of their appearance.

On the other hand I'm ace on voices
 
luckynumbah7 said:
This is prolly sacrilege but I'm not recognizing her. To be clear I'd prolly recognize her voice but tv's are so small image-wise that going by looks for me is usually redundant unless the show actually has a diverse cast. Sleepy hollow is a good example of me at least being able to identify characters by what I can tell of their appearance.

On the other hand I'm ace on voices
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:confused: Small TV? :confused: Vision impairment?
 
They cancelled Looking because:

a) It was too boring and uneventful, even in a Lost in Translation /realism sort of way

b) Patrick (the main character) was too unlikeable, dumb, and annoying. Granted, an unlikeable main character isn't an automatic show killer, but there has to be an interesting hook to the character that justifies the viewer wanting to follow their life for several seasons. Dexter was a blood analyst for the cops that was secretly a serial killer, Walter White was a science teacher that was secretly a Meth dealer. Other amazing but unlikeable main characters were Tony Soprano, Frank Gallagher (Shameless) and Nucky Thompson (Boardwalk Empire). Patrick was a gay yuppie video game developer in San Francisco. Him being gay and (somewhat) attractive does not justify his awful and annoying personality. Dom seemed to have much more potential as a main character (see below).

c) Dom and Doris should have been the main characters, because their relationship was the strongest. They were an amazing duo and I loved every moment of them together. Frankly though, there honestly was not that much chemistry between Dom, Patrick and Augstin when they were together. They were not the kind of memorable main group of friends that we follow on shows like Sex and the City, Friends, and even Queer as Folk. The show was much better when they were separated (and it was only really good when Dom and Doris were in it).

d) It centering around apps like Grindr doesn't really make it more realistic and relatable. Just more modern. The show constantly and constantly revolved around gay dating apps. It got old really fast.

e) The real reason why it was cancelled was because it had so few viewers. That's really it. But it had few viewers because it was a dull show and didn't go in the right direction.

Queer as Folk was better, it really was.

I think a lot of people feel like Looking is all that gay TV will have to offer this century, which is far from the case. They'll be another show sometime soon in the same vein and they'll hopefully take hints of what Looking did wrong, what Queer and Folk did right, and make a new original concept that can appeal to many more people.
 
When did everyone become so smart? Please, fire everyone in the mass media and hire the Jubbers.

The only reason it got cancelled is because the ratings were low, but this doesn´t make the show bad. Take a look at the hbo forum, youtube videos etc and see how many people liked the show, much more than the ones who hated it (but didn´t miss an episode still).

This happened with Carnivale, that show was awesome, but it only had 2 seasons and they didn´t even made a finale for it. Looking at least gets one so we have an ending for the storylines. Make it a 2 hour movie and you have 4-5 episodes in it (the first season had 6).

I absolutely loved when folks claimed the show was shit, but knew every scene and every new episode as soon as it was broadcast.
 
Carnivale didn't get cancelled because of lack of ratings, HBO said it was getting too expensive for them to make an episode when it came to the set/actors, etc. Pretty sure the show had overall good ratings. And the reason for it not having an ending is because HBO had the rights to it and the writers really couldn't do anything about it.
 
I never watched because there wasn't anything remotely appealing about it for me.
Just because a show is about gay guys doesn't make me want to watch it. Especially if the men it centers around share nothing in common with me.
 
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