The right to adopt children...Why?

[rareboy]

LOL@ enviable or desirable

I seriously doubt that any true misanthrope gives a fuck.

Which is why I really don't give a fuck about why misanthropes speculate on why people would want children. Who has time to dig that deep into their mental anguish and damage?

 

[voltronforce]

LOL@ enviable or desirable

I seriously doubt that any true misanthrope gives a fuck.

No one gives a rats ass about misanthropes

 

[Rickrock]

Things change when you have a kid in your life. Eight years ago my friend moved in with me again and he brought his 7 year old daughter with him. She’d be here every other weekend and a week over Christmas and two weeks during the summer. Since he was a heroin addict repeatedly going in and out of rehab most of her time was spent with me. We started doing everything that a father and daughter would do together mostly without her real father involved.

About 3 years ago he moved out but his daughter still comes to my house to stay during his visitation time. He shows up to see her for anywhere between 15 minutes and up to 6 hours but never more. Last Father’s Day she spent the day with just me, taking me out to lunch and giving me a gift. I’ve attended every one of her school programs and sport events for the last 5 years. Her father can’t be bothered to attend. I’ve had her friends over for weekend visits. They all say I’m the cool dad in the friend group.

During The pandemic her mother got sick and it scared her. She didn’t know what would happen to her if something happened to her mom. They have both discussed it with me and I’ll be her legal guardian and she’ll live with me if anything happens to her mother.

I know having kids isn’t for everyone, but it should be an option for everyone. I couldn’t imagine not having her in my life and I know she feels the same way.

Thank you for your input Alistair. Things do change when you have kids. It sounds like this instance was beneficial for multiple people.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Aren't the gay guys that make a gay community center indistinguishable from a gay sauna the ones in the wrong?


I expected you to discuss white privilege/systemic racism. Is it a right to get someone's child because they're poor? Are international adoptions a form of human trafficking?

Are we allowed to be as tired of living it as you are of hearing about it? Asking for a friend.

And to answer your question, it'd be quicker to count the ways Americans don't exploit minorities vs trying to count the ways they monetize our existence.

I got two grumpy dogs in the 3rd stage of moving (moping around the new house and refusing to eat) I sooooo do not have the headspace for you right now. Beyond color politics, people taking care of children (and the elderly) for a check is a huge problem in america. very bigly it occurs.

 

[Sebazz]

^ I was doing the opposite of attacking you. I was referring to how (from what I see in the US media) it would appear that adoption is a right that in practice only white gays have.

 

[Peloso]

Which is why I really don't give a fuck about why misanthropes speculate on why people would want children. Who has time to dig that deep into their mental anguish and damage?

While the kind of misanthropy you'll find on places like reddit is usually spawned by alienation, depression and teenage angst, misanthropes themselves are not a cult of simmering terrorists who scowl at babies and relish mass shootings.

I'm a raging misanthrope and I am generally kind, courteous to others and no stranger to empathy. I smile at cashiers, thank the bus driver and hold open doors for old ladies.

It's not a philosophy. It's a pairing of the emotional and logical dissatisfaction that comes from looking at where we come from as a species, what we've done with our world and where we're going.

Personally I would feel more comfortable in the company of a misanthrope than with someone who can take a look around at the state of the world, shrug their shoulders and cling to that tiny kernel of hope that everything will turn around and one day we will live as fruitfully and harmoniously as the noble cockroach. Seriously. Cockroaches don't sabotage their own nests and kill each other en masse based on the color of their exoskeletons.

Calm down, people. Misanthropes are not coming to get you. We're quietly sitting on the sidelines shaking our heads while we watch you all get each other.


As for the topic, the question was not why children suck, but why we, as homosexuals, are allowed to adopt them, and one person here got it right.

Personally, children are easy to simply frighten away. It's Goddamn teenagers I can't stand. They're like giant children.

 

[nycguydowntown]

agree in principle ---gays who mimic hetero couples are annoying. Like hiring a woman to carry a kid--so many unwanted kids in world --fucking adopt one. Like winning the lottery!

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

^ I was doing the opposite of attacking you. I was referring to how (from what I see in the US media) it would appear that adoption is a right that in practice only white gays have.

I know, I only meant "Too tired for this convo." The kinda tired where you put the milk in the cabinet and the cereal in the fridge. The kind that had me staring at my doordash app for 10 minutes last night trying to figure out what I ordered that required me to select a dipping sauce.

It makes sense white guys have the upper hand in a form of adoption that's only been legal for like 3 minutes. Just one of the many benefits of not being born into the tribe that got exactly nothing for 3 centuries of labor. We have no connections, no wealth to speed up or circumvent the process. And if the adoption agent is one of the many people who think blacks are lazy irresponsible criminals, who are they more likely to approve? Easier to jump through hoops with 0 (or barely any) shackles on your feet.

I had a frontrow seat to "Hey if I call myself this person's guardian I can get a check from the state" was watching my grandmother, who cared for my great grandmother, hide her gold candle sticks in the garage when agents came by to check on granny. (RIP, love you grandma but I gots to keep it real)

I have no doubt some of these gay white parents are using kids for a check, and that's not even the most worst case scenario. In the name of Joe Paterno disadvantaged black kids are prime candidates for sexual abuse, esp from affluent white do-gooders. I work the homeless a lot and there's always the one white guy with these charities who's 45, unmarried with earrings in both ears who leaves the block with a van full of black teenage boys.

Adoption is the state handing kids over to traffickers, financial scammers and sex predators.

 

[DepravedMuscleFTL]

That was the weirdest roller-coaster. Your friend is a sex offender and thats fine but parents should keep their children away from gays? Every letter of this post is pure concentrated cringe.

you read what you wanted to read but not what I wrote - I didn't say he was a friend - I said he was a long standing (over 15 years) employee of the community center who had a previous arrest record which labelled him under law as a "sexual offender" - I do not know what the actual charge was but the grapevine says it was something a little trivial like he was 24 at the time and slept with a 17 year old.... but the point was that the creation of this playground on the gay campus is what blew-up the entire situation and cost him his job

I also did not say that peeps should keep their children away from gays - what I said was that the gay community center shouldn't be catering to children - HUGE DIFFERENCE - why would anyone want to isolate their children in a gay playground surrounded by gay adults instead of integrating their children with all other children at local schools and parks - and what I also said is that there is a place and a time - and the place for children and gays together is not a place like a pride festival where men are walking around with swing dicks in thongs and bare asses in chaps - that is a bad parenting choice to expose your children to an environment of such a nature - would you take your children to a straight titty bar? it is bad parenting!

and finally what I said is that I believe that the gay community center should be maintained as an adult atmosphere - this is a safe space that was created so we could be ourselves and we shouldn't have to censure ourselves to accommodate the presence of children - nor should resources be allotted to accommodate children when there is not enough resources available for our own communities like trans - gay homeless - etc etc - should we be spending money to build a playground for someones snot nosed kid who can go 2 blocks away to the park or should we spending money to protect trans lives ????

 

[Araucaria]

You haven't been paying attention to what's been happening at LGBT+ Community Centers lately, have you? My local Center in the Palm Beaches, and I presume it's also true in Ft. Lauderdale and other Centers as well, has an extensive program for youths, including counseling and support groups for LGBTQ teens, trans and nonbinary kids, questioning, parents, and even preteens. I thank God that these youths are getting the support and affirmation that we desperately needed but didn't get when we were their age.

As for Gay Pride Parades, I haven't been to the Ft. Lauderdale one, but the ones I've seen in the Palm Beaches, in St. Petersburg, and in other places in Florida have been family-friendly affairs, where it's safe for youths, and LGBTQ parents bring their kids, LGBTQ children bring their parents, everybody has fun, and nobody's seeing anything that's freaking them out. I really do get a sense of real community building going on.

But presumably you want to throw all this away so a couple of guys can walk around in chaps freely with their cock and ass hanging out...

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Aracauria I wasn't prepared for that last sentence

 

[DepravedMuscleFTL]

^^

there is a HUGE HUGE difference between gay youth who have identified as gay (it would be RARE for anyone to identify before they reach puberty and sexual awareness) and YOUNG CHILDREN who play in a playground - it is not even remotely the same -

and I have no idea what Pride events you are attending but in some places like SanFran - New York - New Orleans - Key West - D.C. there is FULL nudity - in SanFran there is actual sex right in the streets - and in most places there is BLATANT sexuality ie: thongs - chaps -etc - AND it's not what "I presumably want" - it is the standard - and has always been the standard for DECADES - I have never been to a Pride event anywhere where there wasn't floats from leather bars full of men in chaps - floats of nearly naked boyz from go-go bars - topless lesbians on motorcycles etc in the parade - and in addition to sexuality Pride events have also ALWAYS been events of public intoxication - there is HEAVY drinking - poppers and 420 at MINIMAL - so you can argue all you want about what you think it SHOULD be but as it is now IT IS NOT A PLACE THAT PARENTS SHOULD BE TAKING YOUNG CHILDREN!

why you think I have anything to do with the standard of what pride festivals entail and why you would argue that they are places young children should attend is beyond my comprehension but hey let's pack up the diaper bag and head to the strip clubs

 

[NotHardUp1]

You refer to a public parade, on public streets, displaying nudity and sexual acts that are not even allowed on broadcast television unless is it via cable or subscription.

The notion that a person, on a public street, along a parade route, must somehow vacate the area because someone's vision of PRIDE is unchecked public sexual behavior is warped.

And, whether individuals attend PRIDE parades or not, the media does record them and broadcasts, and if the anti-gay factions then can use that to brand that obscenity as unpublishable, it is doing real harm. The LGBTQ cause is to achieve equality. When the goal changes to be to simply defy any community standards in the name of freedom, then the political fight is being lost, and the struggle is actually losing ground for equality, for respect, and for acceptance by the 95% straight population.

And, like it or not, doing anything in public that is intentionally shocking to families with children is taking the poison pill. It is a sure path to repression.

Denying that reality is living in an illusion.

 

[NotHardUp1]

But presumably you want to throw all this away so a couple of guys can walk around in chaps freely with their cock and ass hanging out...

And it is a blind spot in radical LGBTQ strategy. There is a resistance to what it perceived as the watering down of the sexual revolution. The truth is, society went there, didn't like what it saw, and pulled back.

 

[NotHardUp1]

The infighting evident in this thread is a throwback to the JUB of 15 years ago when one faction referred to heterosexuals as "breeders" while another championed a heteronormative gay right.

Both are representative of the so-called gay "community." We should recognize that and accept that we are a coality of political and social advocates who do not share the same vision for society or for LGBTQ members in society. We only share that we should all be allowed to be in that society and as free to choose things in life as freely as any heterosexual is. That said, heterosexuals are not free to do absolutely anything.