The rise of White Nationalism

[Kabluey]

Yes BUT you are Canadian WE are Canadians the racism in the USA is really NOT OUR PROBLEM.Trump is going to be the USA president BUT he does NOT rule the world. There are the United Nations, Canada, European Union, China, Japan, ect. The USA still has to follow diplomatic and international law. I do worry about some of the things you discussed. BUT the other poster has a point let the AMERICANS deal with THEIR PROBLEMS. It isn't a Canadian problem.

Last time we had a Trump-like character in the US presidency, they punished and threatened allies who didn't agree with the Iraq war (round 2) and sought to undermine the UN.
Remember freedom fries? Remember overzealous border controls ruining US international tourism for a decade? Remember waterboarding of foreign citizens?

 

[rareboy]

I do find some other Canadians annoying the stupids ones protesting Trump in Toronto! Come on that is a USA problem NOT a Canadian problem! Trump has no power here Canada is a sovereign nation and Canadians we need to remember this. I do agree we need to FOCUS on our own problems here in Canada.

Pretty clueless there.

Who the US chooses for president has always had an impact on Canadians.

When the US sneezes, we all catch cold.

 

[rareboy]

Yes BUT you are Canadian WE are Canadians the racism in the USA is really NOT OUR PROBLEM.Trump is going to be the USA president BUT he does NOT rule the world. There are the United Nations, Canada, European Union, China, Japan, ect. The USA still has to follow diplomatic and international law. I do worry about some of the things you discussed. BUT the other poster has a point let the AMERICANS deal with THEIR PROBLEMS. It isn't a Canadian problem.

You seem to forget that a lot of Canadians and Canadian businesses also have interests in the US as well as in Canada.

Just let the Americans impose protectionist tariffs, or exclude Canadian raw materials or goods by tearing up NAFTA and come back and tell me that there's no impact.

Canada already has to deal with a flood of illegal firearms that come across the border from the US and already we've seen the alt.right emboldened in Canada by Trump's win.

It is clear that you know little about Canadian/US history, so maybe you will just want to pay attention.

 

[smokeshadow]

interesting analysis: https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-and-the-white-power-problem-100021462.html

 

[rareboy]

From the article:

Well, he certainly had no problem summoning outrage this week. On Twitter, he railed against the impertinent cast of “Hamilton,” which he called an overrated show, and against “Saturday Night Live,” which he thought one-sided and not funny. He found time to bitterly complain to the president of NBC News about a photo that made him appear to have a double chin. (Reality is rough, even for a reality TV star.)

But when it came to leading white supremacists raising stiff arms to him as if he were Hitler reincarnate, Trump at first said nothing, and then, under pressure, allowed his spokeswoman to release a terse statement tepidly disavowing their support.

Pushed repeatedly about this at a meeting with reporters and editors from the New York Times, Trump said, “Boy, you are really into this stuff,” as if surprised it should keep coming up.

This is what is so disturbing.

I don't really think he minded having people salute him like der Fuhrer.

And his repudiation of them was definitely late in coming and tepid at best from a man who had no problem barking at the cast of Hamilton.

 

[frankfrank]

Those who think that American politics (most recently the election of Donald Trump; but going back over many decades and other issues) doesn't affect Canadians, has another THINK coming. It's absurd to think that Canada isn't affected.

Not only will the effects be felt in Canada - and probably profoundly at that (and this certainly applies to Mexico as well) - but the effects of a Trump presidency (not to mention policies under past presidencies from at least FDR onward, up to Obama) will be noticed even in places like South Africa, Austria, Colombia, Bangladesh, Luxembourg...

I'm not even sure if "forgotten" places like Chad, Bolivia, Cameroon, Tajikistan, Isle of Man, Mongolia, etc. are immune from the effects of a U. S. presidency. Perhaps there is no noticeable difference in a place like Bhutan...

 

[Kulindahr]

Last time we had a Trump-like character in the US presidency, they punished and threatened allies who didn't agree with the Iraq war (round 2) and sought to undermine the UN.
Remember freedom fries? Remember overzealous border controls ruining US international tourism for a decade? Remember waterboarding of foreign citizens?

Yes.

BTW, tourism is still hurting because of the Canadian reaction to the Bush idiocy about the borders. Before that you could cross the border just with a piece of U.S. ID, and a lot of people did. Now it's practically an interrogation, and a lot of us down here decided it wasn't worth the hassle any more.

I always figured if we were going to have a free trade zone, then a driver's license from any country involved should be sufficient for crossing the border -- but then, NAFTA wasn't really about free trade anyway.

 

[Kabluey]

^ it also directly affects the rights and freedoms of US citizens who live overseas (the very people the USA depends on for its international trade links).
They're taxed for life even if they're only citizens by inheritance and have never visited the USA, they're criminals if they don't file tax returns, they can't revoke their citizenship without paying hundreds of thousands of dollars and the USA has imposed harsh banking laws that seize the assets of any bank of any sovereign nation unless that bank (at their own expense) allows the US government to access every overseas resident US citizen's personal bank account in their home country.

That kind of overreach is ridiculous.

 

[Kulindahr]

From the article:



This is what is so disturbing.

I don't really think he minded having people salute him like der Fuhrer.

And his repudiation of them was definitely late in coming and tepid at best from a man who had no problem barking at the cast of Hamilton.

Trump is beginning to remind me of certain students I had when teaching remedial writing and reading comprehension for college freshmen: their writing style and evident enthusiasm changed like the wind, depending (I eventually realized) on what had lately drawn their interest, especially things they got excited about. He's very sensitive to being booed, so he gets energetically pissed when his veep gets booed, and lashes out irrationally, but has no strong emotions about neo-Nazis -- and probably isn't really aware of them as at all significant -- so his response is limp.

Now while that would explain a bit about his behavior, it's certainly not something we want in a chief executive. Being swayed by things that are personally emotionally impacting is not presidential by any measure.

 

[rareboy]

^ Pretty much.

I suspect he knows and cares little about 20th century history...but I also see exactly the same kind of buffoon sociopath that the world suffered with Mussolini.

Once the crowds start cheering and saluting....he really believes he is Emperor.

 

[gsdx]

Yes.

BTW, tourism is still hurting because of the Canadian reaction to the Bush idiocy about the borders.

It didn't take him long to forget what Canada did on that fateful day. When the borders were closed to incoming flights, those planes which could safely return to their country of origin were ordered to do so. Those which couldn't were diverted to Canada's east (Halifax, Nova Scotia and Gander, Newfoundland) and west (Vancouver) coasts. Over 200 flights were diverted carrying over 33,000 passengers en route to the United States.

Gander was most surprising. It's population of about 10,000 practically doubled within hours, and all those people had to be sheltered and fed and given a place to sleep. They were. Schools opened their doors and charity organisations supplied the necessities. Citizens opened their homes to complete strangers without a thought. School bus drivers on strike hoped in their buses without a thought to help transport stranded people from the airport to their temporary lodgings. Pharmacies filled prescriptions free of charge. It wasn't the Ritz, but nobody went hungry or thirsty, and everybody had a place to sleep.

Bush didn't appreciate it quite as much as those people did.

http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/canada-and-911/

 

[Benvolio]

I smell another false narrative.

OK, no narrative, but questions. Is it not racist to want to work to end the white majority in the US? Why should the white majority allow the destruction of their majority? In the entire history of the world, have any people willingly allowed themselves to be reduced to a minority?

 

[rareboy]

Just stop it.

Even Trump has repudiated your alt.right movement.

 

[Kabluey]

OK, no narrative, but questions. Is it not racist to want to work to end the white majority in the US? Why should the white majority allow the destruction of their majority? In the entire history of the world, have any people willingly allowed themselves to be reduced to a minority?

Fact is, Ben's precious white republican babies get aborted by their precious white republican parents.

Probably in case they come out voting democrat.

 

[Kabluey]

Just stop it.

Even Trump has repudiated your alt.right movement.

Racist Kochs will always be racist.
It's just up to everyone else to tell them that they are among the lowest scum in society. Give me immigrants of all colours over trash any day.

 

[kallipolis]

OK, no narrative, but questions. Is it not racist to want to work to end the white majority in the US? Why should the white majority allow the destruction of their majority? In the entire history of the world, have any people willingly allowed themselves to be reduced to a minority?

In your country, The United States the indigenous peoples have had to live with this reality.

 

[Benvolio]

In your country, The United States the indigenous peoples have had to live with this reality.

Yes. But there is no reason for Americans to allow it to be done to them.

 

[rareboy]

Americans are not a race or a culture.

The country has been a polyglot from the beginning.

What you didn't steal from the aboriginals, you took by force from the Spanish andcreated an entire economy on the backs of African slaves.

You have no moral or intellectual imperative here.

 

[Benvolio]

In your country, The United States the indigenous peoples have had to live with this reality.

Was it racist for the Indians to resist white immigration? Was it Indian Nationalism? How was it wrong. Struggle to think beyond mere name calling.

 

[DantheManFL]

Kind of a long read, but it highlights many of the players in the White Supremist movement. (no, I won't call them alt-right, I call them what they are).

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/what-is-the-alt-right_uk_58371275e4b0b60ceeaa01ae?section=us_queer-voices