The rise of White Nationalism

[Kulindahr]

Immigration facilities, and green cards were not in place four hundred years ago.

There's an idea for a sci-fi novel: aliens land in North America before the first Europeans arrive, and provide tech that allows the natives to win.

 

[rareboy]

I think a majority would disagree with what you think are those values, culture and institutions. They, not you, are entitled to determine what values, culture and institutions are to be protected. I would point out that, largely as the result of immigration and
to promote it, there is a substantial independence movement in California. See its reasons at; Yescalifornia.org
When the hispanic population is sufficient, it may succeed.

Well given that it was a Spanish Mexican territory originally....after they stole it from the aboriginal inhabitants...I guess that would look good on all of you wouldn't it?

 

[Kulindahr]

You somehow read this thread and usual liberal positions differently than I do. It is a condemnation of alleged "white nationalists", i.e., those who oppose massive immigration and amnesty. Such people are, automatically racist, xenophobic, nativist, white supremacists, nazis, KKKs, and every other nasty term they can think up. It is fine to say that we do not have to have unlimited immigration, but immigrants, getting the vote , want more of their kind, so they vote against limitation. If we cannot limit it today, we never can.
Of course there is a threat to the American culture, values. Liberals deny they exist. More importantly liberals would deny the American people the right to protect themselves, their culture or their values. They regard it as immoral for them to protect themselves.
Libarals have made immigration the ultimate good, more important than anything else; anyone who opposes it is evil.

People with views like yours are called white nationalists because they want to do away with anyone not white. You occasionally remember to include other as Americans, but your constant theme is that only whites are actually Americans.

Remember that blacks fought on both sides in the Civil War, which makes them good Americans from any point of view.

 

[Benvolio]

I can't speak for others, nor can you.

I have clearly stated that legal immigration contributes to a prospering economy.

As an assimilated traditional American I think I speak with more authority than you about the traditional cultures, values and institutions which are under attack. That is largely what the election was about.

 

[Kulindahr]

I think a majority would disagree with what you think are those values, culture and institutions. They, not you, are entitled to determine what values, culture and institutions are to be protected. I would point out that, largely as the result of immigration and
to promote it, there is a substantial independence movement in California. See its reasons at; Yescalifornia.org
When the hispanic population is sufficient, it may succeed.

It's far more likely that the movements to divide California into several states will succeed.

 

[kallipolis]

As an assimilated traditional American I think I speak with more authority than you about the traditional cultures, values and institutions which are under attack. That is largely what the election was about.

In the age of instant information I am just a click away from all the information, television, radio, and news media....that you have access too.

The recent United States general election clearly represented the electorate's rejection of establishment politics, with a desire for change from the predictable. I doubt whether the person who voted for Trump thinks too deeply about culture, or values...rather, jobs, and standard of living appear to be much more of a priority for them.

 

[opinterph]

I have not noted any threat to the culture, values, or government of the United States arising from immigration.

Maybe it’s a visual thing. Sitting on your front porch in your favorite rocking chair, you don’t want to find yourself looking out at the sidewalk and see some people walk by that do not look American. That would ruin the whole experience.

[/sarcasm]

 

[rareboy]

As an assimilated traditional American I think I speak with more authority than you about the traditional cultures, values and institutions which are under attack. That is largely what the election was about.

Fuck you.

As someone who probably knows the cultural landscape of more of America than you ever will...you have no special knowledge or understanding of the US that others might have.

I doubt if you've ever travelled enough or lived in enough of America to have the frst clue about what 'American Culture' really is.

 

[kallipolis]

Maybe it’s a visual thing. Sitting on your front porch in your favorite rocking chair, you don’t want to find yourself looking out at the sidewalk and see some people walk by that do not look American. That would ruin the whole experience.

[/sarcasm]

That applies as much here in Greece as it would in the USA, or the UK, or Germany.

Scapegoating immigrants is a fashionable past time for certain people.

Just as scapegoating Jews, Queers, and Gypsies was the fashion in Germany during the 1930s.

 

[Benvolio]

Maybe it’s a visual thing. Sitting on your front porch in your favorite rocking chair, you don’t want to find yourself looking out at the sidewalk and see some people walk by that do not look American. That would ruin the whole experience.

[/sarcasm]

I would agree that whites do not wish the white majority destroyed. Is it not racist to work to destroy the white majority? How is it wrong for whites to resist the destruction of their majority?

 

[kallipolis]

I would agree that whites do not wish the white majority destroyed. Is it not racist to work to destroy the white majority? How is it wrong for whites to resist the destruction of their majority?

This is conspiracy theorising at its most paranoid.

What evidence do you possess to support this opinion?

 

[Benvolio]

This is conspiracy theorising at its most paranoid.

What evidence do you possess to support this opinion?

Look at #64 and # 66 above. Conspiracy is your word, but I appreciate your implication that if it existed it is a conspiracy and by definition, a wrongful thing. It is the policy of the democrat party.

 

[HoodedRat]

In the age of instant information I am just a click away from all the information, television, radio, and news media....that you have access too.

That goes for all of us ... yet you recently told me that, as I live in Bristol UK, I could know nothing of the anti-white, racist, BLM movement ... even though that cancer has already spread to the UK.

A wise man once observed that you are a total fucking hypocrite!

 

[opinterph]

I would agree that whites do not wish the white majority destroyed. Is it not racist to work to destroy the white majority? How is it wrong for whites to resist the destruction of their majority?

This is conspiracy theorising at its most paranoid.

What evidence do you possess to support this opinion?

Look at #64 and # 66 above. Conspiracy is your word, but I appreciate your implication that if it existed it is a conspiracy and by definition, a wrongful thing. It is the policy of the democrat party.

Post numbers can change. It is best to use the quote function:

64​

You are assuming that some entity is engaged in the “intentional destruction of the white majority and culture.” You then use that false narrative to create the illusion that the white majority and white culture are in peril from that entity. You thereby succeed in generating opposition to that entity, while establishing a sense of credibility for the false assumption.

Minorities and immigrants do and historically have voted democrat,so the democrats are intentionally working to destroy the white majority and are succeeding. They have made large scale immigration, legal and illegal a priority. They have blocked attempts to limit abortion and do facilitate it and about 70 million American children, mostly from the white majority, have been killed. The result, Clinton approvingly said, is that their will soon be no white majority and it will be a good thing, he told a group of muslim leaders. Obama said that he wants America to be a hodgepodge, and has relentlessly and illegally maximized immigration.
Before the 1960s legal immigration was limited by a quota system which prioritized northern Europeans who could be expected to assimilate persuant to the then national consensus of a melting pot. Then the democrat Congress, lead by Ted Kennedy and a Jewish senator, amended the law to eliminate the quota system, and has promoted an ideology, not of assimilation but of diversity, assimilation, identity politics. A later law grants a priority to ethnic groups have the least population in the US.
It is a policy intended to destroy the white majority and create a nation with no majority and with the democrats as the only party having a chance. As this election demonstrated, a Republican now has no chance of a population majority and Obamss policy of moving immigrants in large number to red states will soon destroy any Non democrat chance in the electoral college as well.

66​

"Former President Bill Clinton has told an Arab-American audience of 1,000 people that the U.S. is no longer just a black-white country, nor a country that is dominated by Christians and a powerful Jewish minority
In a speech to the group on Saturday, Clinton said that given the growing numbers of Muslims, Hindus and other religious groups here, Americans should be mindful of the nation's changing demographics, which led to the election of Barack Obama as president.

Clinton said by 2050 the U.S. will no longer have a majority of people with European heritage and that in an interdependent world "this is a very positive thing."
http://www.onenewsnow.com/politics-...us-no-longer-dominated-by-christians-and-jews

 

[opinterph]

I smell another false narrative.

OK, no narrative, but questions. Is it not racist to want to work to end the white majority in the US? Why should the white majority allow the destruction of their majority? In the entire history of the world, have any people willingly allowed themselves to be reduced to a minority?

First, let’s revisit your statement to which I responded.

I aked you to put aside the name calling and discuss the actual underlying issues.

In this post, you are presenting another assumption – that I am engaged in name-calling. You then use that false narrative to create the illusion that my practice of name-calling interferes with the expression of your opinion. Thus, our discussion is in peril because I am obstructing its free flow. In this instance, your use of this false narrative about me is actually what obstructs a free and open discussion.


Remember this?

White Nationalism is an ideology.

… So why is it wrong for whites to object to the intentional destruction of the white majority and culture. Rather that name calling lets discuss the actual underlying issue. Are your intended replacement people and cultures superior to the white? Is there evidence that their cultures are superior? If so why do they come here? If not, why should we succumb to them?

Begging the Question

Smoke and Mirrors

Neither.

You are assuming that some entity is engaged in the “intentional destruction of the white majority and culture.” You then use that false narrative to create the illusion that the white majority and white culture are in peril from that entity. You thereby succeed in generating opposition to that entity, while establishing a sense of credibility for the false assumption.

 

[Benvolio]

Notice that Clinton said that the end of the majority with European heritage will be a positive development, so, yes our culture is under attack and in danger.

 

[eastofeden]

Notice that Clinton said that the end of the majority with European heritage will be a positive development, so, yes our culture is under attack and in danger.

I'm am not so sure she said that.... and I am not taking your word for it...

...but assuming she did....or assuming it is true that we are under attack...or in danger..what exactly is your fear based on?

That a new majority might treat you as people like you have treated them?

...or is it more along the line of "power corrupts"...so it is better someone like you be corrupt than someone with a different color of skin or ethic background that is not Anglo?

 

[opinterph]

I'm am not so sure she said that....

He’s talking about Bill – and that narrative is also false.

“this is a very positive thing,” …


I have been unsuccessful in finding a replication of the text of those remarks by the former president anywhere online.

Of course, the absence of a formal presentation of text doesn’t preclude availability of the words.

Arab Voices Radio Talk Show Archives; July 15, 2009 (MP3)​

Following is my own transcription – beginning around the 27 minute mark.

We have in our largest state California, now, no majority of European heritage. And there never was one in Hawaii. But by 2050, no state – I wouldn’t say no state – that the entire country, at least, will not have a majority of European heritage. And I personally believe, in an interdependent world, this is a very positive thing. And it creates opportunities for us, if we handle our identities in the right way. Does that mean we should stop having the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee? No. What it means is we have to constantly struggle against people who would define our identity in negative terms. And we have to constantly struggle against our own impulse, which we all have, to define our identity against someone else’s in negative terms with reference to them. It is a constant struggle.

The former president goes on to suggest that the challenge is to be proud of who you are, without having to put someone else down.

President Clinton’s speech to the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee is not particularly dissimilar to remarks he delivered at the commencement address for Portland State University back in 1998.

The American Presidency Project​

And those 1998 remarks were soon thereafter distorted by Pat Buchanan in his 2001 book, The Death of the West.

Mr. Clinton assured us that it will be a better America when we are all minorities and realize true ‘diversity.’ Well, those students [at Portland State] are going to find out, for they will spend their golden years in a Third World America. [Link]

 

[Benvolio]

I'm am not so sure she said that.... and I am not taking your word for it...

...but assuming she did....or assuming it is true that we are under attack...or in danger..what exactly is your fear based on?

That a new majority might treat you as people like you have treated them?

...or is it more along the line of "power corrupts"...so it is better someone like you be corrupt than someone with a different color of skin or ethic background that is not Anglo?

The point is that that and similar quotes by Clinton and other circumstantial evidence demonstrate that the purpose of the democrat priority of immigration, legal and illegal is the destruction of the white majority which tends to vote Republican while minorities very largely vote democrat. They have blocked attempts to restore control of abortion to the states, and abortion of American children also serves to destroy the white majority. It is happening. The result is the creation of a group of solidly democrat states, with additional one about to turn. When they turn blue, our democracy on the national level will end. A democrat president at this time would result in a democrat majority on the supreme court, which would then change the election laws to favor that party. The democrat party aims to create a one party "democracy" in which people vote, but the one party always wins. They control Chicago and have not allowed a Republican mayor since the 30s. Mexico, Russia and other have similar one party faux democracies.

 

[Kabluey]

You somehow read this thread and usual liberal positions differently than I do. It is a condemnation of alleged "white nationalists", i.e., those who oppose massive immigration and amnesty. Such people are, automatically racist, xenophobic, nativist, white supremacists, nazis, KKKs, and every other nasty term they can think up. It is fine to say that we do not have to have unlimited immigration, but immigrants, getting the vote , want more of their kind, so they vote against limitation. If we cannot limit it today, we never can.
Of course there is a threat to the American culture, values. Liberals deny they exist. More importantly liberals would deny the American people the right to protect themselves, their culture or their values. They regard it as immoral for them to protect themselves.
Libarals have made immigration the ultimate good, more important than anything else; anyone who opposes it is evil.

When you're shitting your britches over a population growth of less than 1% per annum from immigration and trying to pretend you're not racist.

It's awful seeing mental midgets trying to protect themselves from any kind of enlightenment.