The rise of White Nationalism

[Kulindahr]

Again, what you call white nationalism is defensive to attacks on whites. Here is a university forum demonizing "whiteness", and it is just an example of the "minorities to the maximum extent possible" mindset of liberals. http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/30248/

So they did a thing focusing on how whites have oppressed non-whites in the country. What factual findings that they present do you object to?

 

[Kulindahr]

More like looking forward to the end of hatred.

Sociologically the benefit of multi-ethnic cultures with no clear majority or even dominant plurality are solid, so long as there is one thing: acceptance of differences. The results include more honesty, more creativity, and higher levels of cooperation than in single-ethnicity cultures. So wishing to preserve a situation (which hasn't been the case the whole time anyway) where one ethnicity (very broadly defined) dominates is wishing to harm the nation.

Further, it's sociologically well-established that the presence of oppressed minorities results in more crime and reduced respect for authority not just among the oppressed minority but among the majority, so once again, wishing to preserve one group as dominant is seeking to continue existing harm to the nation.

 

[Kulindahr]

My agenda is much simpler. Stop the immigration, stop the abortion. Make a better home for Americans.

Except the facts are that stopping immigration and abortion will actually be harmful. What your agenda really constitutes is a big detriment to the nation.

 

[Mariatenebre]

A newborn baby is hardly sentient, intelligent or a person. Nor can it survive without total care.

Actually a new born baby is sentient. They have intelligence, sentience and personhood and are aware of their surroundings. Where as these pre lifeforms have none of these things and many animals have more of these things then these pre lifeforms. Again when it comes to science you don't have a leg to stand on.

My agenda is much simpler. Stop the immigration, stop the abortion. Make a better home for Americans.

Again when it comes to science abortion is not murder. Regardless of the demographic shift. Further more the reason that White Europeans are not having so many kids is because of birth control not abortion.

 

[Kabluey]

Except the facts are that stopping immigration and abortion will actually be harmful. What your agenda really constitutes is a big detriment to the nation.

Let's ignore the possibility that the states in the US that are the most impoverished might be so because of the makeup of their existing populations.

Banning immigration isn't going to turn Mississippi into Silicon Valley any time soon.
But that logic could turn Silicon Valley into Mississippi.

 

[Benvolio]

Round and round and round. The words you use are never going to change the reality of what you are doing.

 

[Kabluey]

Round and round and round. The words you use are never going to change the reality of what you are doing.

And Ben will never convince anyone here that he is anything other than a racist.
His persistence in trying to create a narrative about race relations, women's vaginas and Democrats is both bizarre and sinister.

I wonder sometimes whether he's run out of dog whistle topics. Although for a tea partier he is notably silent on the issue of people who take welfare.

 

[Mariatenebre]

Round and round and round. The words you use are never going to change the reality of what you are doing.

No but science does. Also abortion isn't the main reason that Whites are becoming a minority it is due to birth control and White people deliberately having less kids.

 

[rareboy]

And Ben will never convince anyone here that he is anything other than a racist.
His persistence in trying to create a narrative about race relations, women's vaginas and Democrats is both bizarre and sinister.

I wonder sometimes whether he's run out of dog whistle topics. Although for a tea partier he is notably silent on the issue of people who take welfare.

I certainly notice that since the triumph of Trump that he's one of the people who seem to be whipping off their sheet and openly declaring themselves.

 

[Kulindahr]

No but science does. Also abortion isn't the main reason that Whites are becoming a minority it is due to birth control and White people deliberately having less kids.

Yep. The birth rates are such that in order to keep whites as a majority rather than stopping immigration it would have to be increased at least two-fold, with only whites allowed.

 

[Kabluey]

I certainly notice that since the triumph of Trump that he's one of the people who seem to be whipping off their sheet and openly declaring themselves.

In a striking irony, Trump declares his true colours by rounding up the white supremacists and sending them off to 'work camps'.

 

[kallipolis]

When in July, 1943 the Fascist regime in Italy collapsed by voting itself out of government there was a rush by local Fascist officials to destroy their uniforms, and insignia...as if to say, I was never truly a representative of a totalitarian regime that brought Italy to near destruction.

The KKK may well represent the dark side, sufficient to teach the rest of us hiding under sheets never eliminates our fear of the unknown.

 

[Telstra]

My agenda is much simpler. Stop the immigration, stop the abortion. Make a better home for Americans.

Make America great again ....

 

[Stardreamer]

Bill Clinton and Obama will be disappointed. They are so looking forward to the "positive" end of the white majority and the onrushing "hodgepodge."

That onrushing hodgepodge is a good thing. Diversity is an important aspect to survival and development of a species. There is nothing particularly superior to the tint of your skin. We are all Human Beings, Homo Sapiens, and to a Coyote, you all look and smell alike.

 

[cocksucker4use]

My agenda is much simpler. Stop the immigration, stop the abortion. Make a better home for Americans.

Who are Americans? The US has the most diverse population of any country on Earth. We have 325 million people and counting. What then is "American" Culture. We are predominantly White. Is it White Culture that is in danger? Which of our White Institutions are at risk from immigration? Seriously, I can't think of anything. How are we at risk of becoming second class citizens? If one becomes a citizen, at what point does that become his identity over his immigrant status? In contemporary America, many legal immigrants have succeeded in one or two generations where many Whites have failed in five. If one feels disenfranchised and left behind in Rust Belt America, Mexicans, Asians, Indians, Muslims are not the cause. Long term avarice by Big Business and the 1% and government policies that blatantly favor them are the cause. But, seeing these hard working immigrants get educations and succeed in our midst emphasizes the decline of White working class America. It is the immigrants. If not for them, the poor Whites would have gone to Stanford and become tech entrepreneurs instead on watching their unemployment run out in Milan Ohio. Mobilizing a discouraged and ignored populace by diverting their attention from the true source of their plight by focusing on the perceived risks posed by people different from themselves, whether by birth, color, nationality or religion is not a novel approach, historically. Making the forgotten majority believe that it is forces coming from the outside that are diluting their culture and making them second class citizens in their own native land galvanizes their support for change at any cost. Anyone different, any dissent poses risk to Straight White Male Culture. Read that Straight White Rich Male Culture. Not 100 grand a year rich. RICH RICH. At once offer hope and create fear in the working-class Whites and win the election. The reckless rhetoric that characterized the campaign, making the denigration of foreigners, women, the handicapped suddenly acceptable, if not requisite has opened the door to the Alt.Right. Hail Trump! is what we are hearing. White Supremacy. Pity the blacks, latinos, gays, jews, muslims, and yeah, the women. These cultural throw backs want to make America Great Again, like in the 50's great. There is the real threat to our Culture, our Society, our Institutions, and the best of what America stands for. The threat rising from within is the true threat.

 

[HoodedRat]

My agenda is much simpler. Stop the immigration, stop the abortion. Make a better home for Americans.

Here's an alternative solution: kick out anyone who's ancestors arrived post c.e.1492. Ban abortion and force those left to breed en mass and repopulate the country. Make a better home for Native Americans.

 

[Benvolio]

Who are Americans? The US has the most diverse population of any country on Earth. We have 325 million people and counting. What then is "American" Culture. We are predominantly White. Is it White Culture that is in danger? Which of our White Institutions are at risk from immigration? Seriously, I can't think of anything. How are we at risk of becoming second class citizens? If one becomes a citizen, at what point does that become his identity over his immigrant status? In contemporary America, many legal immigrants have succeeded in one or two generations where many Whites have failed in five. If one feels disenfranchised and left behind in Rust Belt America, Mexicans, Asians, Indians, Muslims are not the cause. Long term avarice by Big Business and the 1% and government policies that blatantly favor them are the cause. But, seeing these hard working immigrants get educations and succeed in our midst emphasizes the decline of White working class America. It is the immigrants. If not for them, the poor Whites would have gone to Stanford and become tech entrepreneurs instead on watching their unemployment run out in Milan Ohio. Mobilizing a discouraged and ignored populace by diverting their attention from the true source of their plight by focusing on the perceived risks posed by people different from themselves, whether by birth, color, nationality or religion is not a novel approach, historically. Making the forgotten majority believe that it is forces coming from the outside that are diluting their culture and making them second class citizens in their own native land galvanizes their support for change at any cost. Anyone different, any dissent poses risk to Straight White Male Culture. Read that Straight White Rich Male Culture. Not 100 grand a year rich. RICH RICH. At once offer hope and create fear in the working-class Whites and win the election. The reckless rhetoric that characterized the campaign, making the denigration of foreigners, women, the handicapped suddenly acceptable, if not requisite has opened the door to the Alt.Right. Hail Trump! is what we are hearing. White Supremacy. Pity the blacks, latinos, gays, jews, muslims, and yeah, the women. These cultural throw backs want to make America Great Again, like in the 50's great. There is the real threat to our Culture, our Society, our Institutions, and the best of what America stands for. The threat rising from within is the true threat.

All i mean is make a better home for Americas existing people now. We have no chance of eliminating poverty while we keep bringing in more. We really can't solve any problems because the influx makes them worse; poverty, crime, unemployment, environment, health care, education, crime. The liberal solution is to bring in an endless flood, but pull Americans down with taxes and authoritarian means.

 

[Telstra]

All i mean is make a better home for Americas existing people now. We have no chance of eliminating poverty while we keep bringing in more. We really can't solve any problems because the influx makes them worse; poverty, crime, unemployment, environment, health care, education, crime. The liberal solution is to bring in an endless flood, but pull Americans down with taxes and authoritarian means.

There are so many filthy rich people in America.
If they are willing to share a little, there won't be any poverty.

 

[Benvolio]

There are so many filthy rich people in America.
If they are willing to share a little, there won't be any poverty.

With millions more coming in every year that would not end poverty. And the top 40% already pay 106% of the income tax. Charity will not solve the problem.

 

[Kabluey]

All i mean is make a better home for Americas existing people now. We have no chance of eliminating poverty while we keep bringing in more. We really can't solve any problems because the influx makes them worse; poverty, crime, unemployment, environment, health care, education, crime. The liberal solution is to bring in an endless flood, but pull Americans down with taxes and authoritarian means.

Ben has never proven a link between immigration and crime, poverty, unemployment, education or healthcare. He continues to scapegoat a minority for structural economic failures at a governance level.

If the wealth and jobs aren't going to the people, the people have to go to the jobs.

People who live in Louisville Kentucky aren't going to have stable jobs delivered to them on a plate. And removing Seattle's ability to hire the best engineers in the world won't help cashiers living in Baltimore.