The RNC ad, Harold Ford and miscegination

[snapcat]

Last I looked all the major Dems voted to go to war in Iraq

Chance, you usually are far more careful than this. You know that statement is false.

 

[chance1]

Really? Could you please provide a cite that proves the Democrats voted to go to war in Iraq? Thank you.

Yes, I will

The Senate voted 77 to 23 - YES

and included:

Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
Breaux (D-LA)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carnahan (D-MO)
Carper (D-DE)
Cleland (D-GA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Daschle (D-SD)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Edwards (D-NC)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hollings (D-SC)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Miller (D-GA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Schumer (D-NY)
Torricelli (D-NJ)
29 Dems said yes - 21 said no

Edwards, Clinton, Daschle, Kerry, Feinstein, Schumer - all Dem/Liberal leaders - voted yes

 

[snapcat]

Chance, here's a list of people who voted "NO" to the Iraq Resolution. This should clear up the matter, I imagine, and disprove your assertion of

Last I looked all the major Dems voted to go to war in Iraq - now it's "they" - love it Alfie

In the Senate, the 21 Democrats, one Republican and one Independent who courageously voted their consciences in 2002 against the War in Iraq were:

• Daniel Akaka (D-Hawaii) Jeff Bingaman (D-New Mexico) Barbara Boxer (D-California) Robert Byrd (D-West Virginia) Lincoln Chaffee (R-Rhode Island) Kent Conrad (D-North Dakota) Jon Corzine (D-New Jersey) Mark Dayton (D-Minnesota) Dick Durbin (D-Illinois) Russ Feingold (D-Wisconsin) Bob Graham (D-Florida) Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii) Jim Jeffords (I-Vermont) Ted Kennedy (D-Massachusetts) Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont) Carl Levin (D-Michigan) Barbara Mikulski (D-Maryland) Patty Murray (D-Washington) Jack Reed (D-Rhode Island) Paul Sarbanes (D-Maryland) Debbie Stabenow (D-Michigan) The late Paul Wellstone (D-Minnesota) Ron Wyden (D-Oregon)

• 
  Six House Republicans and one independent joined 126 Democratic members of the House of Re[resentatives in voting NAY, on October 11, 2002, to the unprovoked use of force against Iraq:
  • Neil Abercrombie (D-Hawaii) Tom Allen (D-Maine) Joe Baca (D-California) Brian Baird (D-Washington) John Baldacci (D-Maine, now governor of Maine) Tammy Baldwin (D-Wisconsin) Gresham Barrett (R-South Carolina) Xavier Becerra (D-California) Earl Blumenauer (D-Oregon) David Bonior (D-Michigan, retired from office) Robert Brady (D-Pennsylvania) Corinne Brown (D-Florida) Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio)
  • Lois Capps (D-California) Michael Capuano (D-Massachusetts) Benjamin Cardin (D-Maryland) Julia Carson (D-Indiana) William Clay, Jr. (D-Missouri) Eva Clayton (D-North Carolina, retired from office) James Clyburn (D-South Carolina) Gary Condit (D-California, retired from office) John Conyers, Jr. (D-Michigan) Jerry Costello (D-Illinois) William Coyne (D-Pennsylvania, retired from office) Elijah Cummings (D-Maryland)
  • Susan Davis (D-California) Danny Davis (D-Illinois) Peter DeFazio (D-Oregon) Diana DeGette (D-Colorado) Bill Delahunt (D-Massachusetts) Rosa DeLauro (D-Connecticut) John Dingell (D-Michigan) Lloyd Doggett (D-Texas) Mike Doyle (D-Pennsylvania) John Duncan, Jr. (R-Tennessee)
  • Anna Eshoo (D-California) Lane Evans (D-Illinois) Sam Farr (D-California) Chaka Fattah (D-Pennsylvania) Bob Filner (D-California) Barney Frank (D-Massachusetts) Charles Gonzalez (D-Texas) Luis Gutierrez (D-Illinois)
  • Alice Hastings (D-Florida) Earl Hilliard (D-Alabama, retired from office) Maurice Hinchey (D-New York) Ruben Hinojosa (D-Texas) Rush Holt (D-New Jersey) Mike Honda (D-California) Darlene Hooley (D-Oregon) John Hostettler (R-Indiana) Amo Houghton (R-New York, retired from office) Jay Inslee (D-Washington)
  • • Jesse Jackson, Jr. (D-Illinois) Sheila Jackson-Lee (D-Texas) Eddie Bernice Johnson (D-Texas) Stephanie Tubbs Jones (D-Ohio) Marcy Kaptur (D-Ohio) Dale Kildee (D-Michigan) Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick (D-Michigan) Jerry Kleczka (D-Wisconsin, retired from office) Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio)
    • John LaFalce (D-New York) James Langevin (D-Rhode Island) Rick Larsen (D-Washington) John Larson (D-Connecticut) Jim Leach (R-Iowa) Barbara Lee (D-California) Sandy Levin (D-Michigan) John Lewis (D-Georgia) Bill Lipinski (D-Illinois,retired from office) Zoe Lofgren (D-California)
    • James Maloney (D-Connecticut, retired from office) The late Robert Matsui (D-California) Karen McCarthy (D-Missouri, retired from office) Betty McCollum (D-Minnesota) Jim McDermott-D-Washington) Jim McGovern (D-Massachusetts) Cynthia McKinney (D-Georgia) Carrie Meek (D-Florida, retired from office) Gregory Meeks (D-New York) Robert Menendez (D-New Jersey) Juanita Millender-McDonald (D-California) George Miller (D-California) Alan Mollohan (D-West Virginia) Jim Moran (D-Virginia) Connie Morella (D-Maryland)
    • Jerrold Nadler (D-New York) Grace Napolitano (D-California) Richard Neal (D-Massachusetts) Jim Oberstar (D-Minnesota) David Obey (D-Wisconsin) John Olver (D-Massachusetts) Major Owens (D-New York)
    • Frank Pallone, Jr.
    • zSB(3,3)
      (D-New Jersey) Ed Pastor (D-Arizona) Ron Paul (R-Texas) Donald Payne (D-New Jersey) Nancy Pelosi (D-California) David Price (D-North Carolina) Nick Rahall (D-West Virginia) Charles Rangel (D-New York) Silvestre Reyes (D-Texas) Lynn Rivers (D-Michigan, retired from office) Ciro Rodriguez (D-Texas, retired from office) Lucille Roybal-Allard (D-California) Bobby Rush (D-Illinois)
    • Martin Olav Sabo (D-Minnesota) Loretta Sanchez (D-California) Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont) Thomas Sawyer (D-Ohio) Jan Schakowsky (D-Illinois) Bobby Scott (D-Virginia) Jose Serrano (D-New York) Louise Slaughter (D-New York) Vic Snyder (D-Arkansas) Hilda Solis (D-California) Pete Stark (D-California) Ted Strickland (D-Ohio) Burt Stupak (Michigan)
    • Mike Thompson (D-California) Bennie Thompson (D-Mississippi) John Tierney (D-Massachusetts) Edolphus Towns (D-New York) Mark Udall (D-Colorado) Tom Udall (D-New Mexico)
    • Nydia Velaquez (D-New York) Pete Visclosky (D-Indiana) Maxine Waters (D-California) Diane Watson (D-California) Melvin Watt (D-North Carolina) Lynn Woolsey (D-California) David Wu (D-Oregon)
    • For your convenience, a list, organized by state, of the 156 members of Congress who voted, on October 11, 2002, NAY to the War in Iraq.
      --------------------
      Alabama Rep Earl Hilliard
      Arizona Rep Ed Pastor
      Arkansas Rep Vic Snyder
      California Sen Barbara Boxer- Rep Joe Baca- Rep Xavier Becerra- Rep Lois Capps- Rep Gary Condit- Rep Susan Davis- Rep Anna Eshoo- Rep Sam Farr- Rep Bob Filner- Rep Mike Honda- Rep Barbara Lee- Rep Zoe Lofgren- the late Rep Robert Matsui- Rep Juanita Millender-McDonald- Rep George Miller- Rep Grace Napolitano- Rep Nancy Pelosi- Rep Lucille Roybal-Allard- Rep Loretta Sanchez- Rep Hilda Solis- Rep Pete Stark- Rep Mike Thompson- Rep Maxine Waters- Rep Diane Watson- Rep Lynn Woolsey
      Colorado Rep Diana DeGette- Rep Mark Udall
      Connecticut Rep Rosa DeLaura- Rep John Larson- Rep James Maloney
      Florida Sen Bob Graham- Rep Corinne Brown- Rep Alice Hastings- Rep Carrie Meek
      Georgia Rep John Lewis- Rep Cynthia McKinney
      Hawaii Sen Daniel Akaka- Sen Daniel Inouye- Rep Neil Abercrombie
      Illinois Sen Dick Durbin- Rep Jerry Costello- Rep Danny Davis- Rep Lane Evans- Rep Luis Gutierrez Rep Jesse Jackson, Jr- Rep Bill Lipinski- Sen Bobby Rush- Rep Jan Schakowsky
      Indiana Rep Julia Carson- Rep John Hostettler- Rep Pete Viscloskey
      Iowa Rep Jim Leach
      Maine Rep Tom Allen- Rep John Baldacci
      Maryland Sen Barbara Mikulski- Sen Paul Sarbanes- Rep Benjamin Cardin- Rep Elijah Cummings- Rep Connie Morella
      Massachusetts Sen Ted Kennedy- Rep Michael Capuano- Rep Bill Delahunt- Rep Barney Frank- Rep Jim McGovern- Rep Richard Neal- Rep John Olver- Rep John Tierney
      Michigan Sen Carl Levin- Sen Debbie Stabenow- Rep David Bonior- Rep John Conyers, Jr- Rep John Dingell- Rep Dale Kildee- Rep Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick- Rep Sandy Levin- Rep Lynn Rivers- Rep Burt Stupak
      Minnesota Sen Mark Dayton- the late Sen Paul Wellstone- Rep Betty McCollum- Rep Jim Oberstar- Rep Martin Olav Sabo
      Mississippi Rep Bennie Thompson
      Missouri Rep William Clay, Jr- Rep Karen McCarthy
      New Jersey Sen Jon Corzine- Rep Rush Holt- Rep Robert Menendez- Rep Frank Pallone, Jr- Rep Donald Payne
      New Mexico Sen Jeff Bingaman- Rep Tom Udall
      New York Rep Maurice Hinchey- Rep Amo Houghton- Rep John LaFalce- Rep Gregory Meeks- Rep Jerrold Nadler- Rep Major Owens- Rep Charles Rangel- Rep Jose Serrano- Rep Louise Slaughter- Rep Edolphus Towns- Rep Nydia Velaquez
      North Carolina Rep Eva Clayton- Rep David Price- Rep Melvin Watt
      North Dakota Sen Kent Conrad
      Ohio Rep Sharrod Brown- Rep Stephanie Tubbs Jones- Rep Marcy Kaptur- Rep Dennis Kucinich- Rep Thomas Sawyer- Rep Ted Strickland
      Oregon Sen Ron Wyden- Rep Earl Blumenauer- Rep Peter DeFazio- Rep Darlene Hooley- Rep David Wu
      Pennsylvania Rep Robert Brady- Rep William Coyne- Rep Mike Doyle- Rep Chaka Fattah
      Rhode Island Sen Lincoln Chaffee- Sen Jack Reed- Rep James Langevin
      South Carolina Rep Gresham Barrett- Rep James Clyburn
      Tennessee Rep John Duncan, Jr
      Texas Rep Lloyd Doggett- Rep Charles Gonzalez- Rep Ruben Hinojosa- Rep Sheila Jackson-Lee- Rep Eddie Bernice Johnson- Rep Ron Paul- Rep Silvestre Reyes- Rep Ciro Rodriguez
      Vermont Sen Jim Jeffords- Sen Patrick Leahy- Rep Bernie Sanders
      Virginia Rep Jim Moran- Rep Bobby Scott
      Washington Sen Patty Murray- Rep Jay Inslee- Rep Rick Larsen- Rep Jim McDermott
      Washington DC Rep Brian Baird
      West Virginia Sen Robert Byrd- Rep Alan Mollohan- Rep Nick Rahall Wisconsin Sen Russ Feingold- Rep Tammy Baldwin- Rep Jerry Kleczka- Rep David Obey

Hopefully this clears up that matter. Happy Reading!

 

[naked gent]

Snaps I don't think you have disproved the heart of Chance's assertion which is the the Iraq war was a bipartisan effort. Chance may have slightly overstated his case by saying all the major dems voted for it but by the standards of Washington today this is a bipartisan war and I would never vote for anyone, reguardless of party, who voted to give Bush the authority to do what we all knew he would do.

The criticism, exclusive to republicans, is how the war was fought. They managed that without any democratic help at all.

 

[TierraSimms]

This race is amusing.

 

[NedNickerson]

Here's the ad that Maltese try to post earlier:



As a life long Memphian, I can honestly say that as for Harold Ford, Jr., he comes from a family of corrupt politicians.

Harold Ford, Sr.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Ford,_Sr.



John Ford (Harold Ford, Jr.'s uncle):

Arrested for:
1) Shooting at a truck driver while driving over 100 mph.
2) Pulling a gun on a work crew for Memphis Light Gas and Water

A bill which he sponsored changing the way in which child support payments were figured was of great benefit to him personally, due to the complex nature of his personal life - He has children by at least 3 different women.

He used campaign funds to pay for a daughter's rather elaborate wedding reception.

There's more here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ford_(politician)


Video of John Ford accepting a bribe from an FBI agent:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4411997818990446503&q=Tennessee+Waltz

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Tennessee_Waltz



Ophelia Ford (John Ford's sister; Harold Ford, Jr.'s aunt):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophelia_Ford

John Ford resigned his senate seat after he was indicted in Operation Tennessee Waltz. Ophelia Ford ran for her brother's state senate seat and defeated Henri Brooks by 20 votes in the special Democratic primary. Ophelia Ford went on to defeat Republican candidate Terry Roland by 13 votes in the special general election. Both elections fell under allegations of improprieties. In the special general election, a state senate election committee confirmed 12 of the 13 votes were invalid. Names of deceased persons and felons were found on the rolls, and dozens of additional votes were counted from voters living outside the district. Further investigation of the election revealed that one of the election officials purportedly certifying the name of many of the voters in question was actually in New York City the day of the election and that her place was taken, without authorization, by a relative.


Does the apple fall from the tree...?

 

[Homoaffectional]

Since K. Mehlman doesn't seem to have any control on the ads that come out of the organization he heads (due to the 'law', he claims -- as if he's ever had any respect for the law), I think it's time for equal time.

Check out a very interesting ad on Mehlman himself!


http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/New_ad_gaybaits__1031.html

 

[snapcat]

This thread was about the Republicans' racist smearing of Ford. However, you seem to want to hit his family. Fair enough. Here's another famous family, and this family raises your question, too: Does the apple fall from the tree...?

Alfie, don't forget Laura Bush. How could we ever forget her killing that young man on a desolate West Texas highway, and just driving off leaving the corpse to be eaten by the circling vultures.


Funny, Texas has one of the highest capital punishment rates in the country, but somehow she eluded even prosecution.

 

[NedNickerson]

Alfie, don't forget Laura Bush. How could we ever forget her killing that young man on a desolate West Texas highway, and just driving off leaving the corpse to be eaten by the circling vultures.

Twisting the facts, as usual...

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http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/e1698.htm


AUSTIN, Texas (AP) - Details in a 1963 accident report say that Laura Bush, then 17, ran a stop sign in the Texas crash that killed a friend in another car. The report, adding information to previous reports of the crash, was released to The Associated Press on Wednesday.

Mrs. Bush now is the wife of Republican presidential nominee-to-be George W. Bush, the Texas governor.

''It was a very tragic accident that deeply affected the families and was very painful for all involved, including the community at large,'' said Mrs. Bush's spokesman, Andrew Malcolm. ''To this day, Mrs. Bush remains unable to talk about it.''

She did say in March, when asked at a campaign stop about the crash, ''I know this as an adult, and even more as a parent, it was crushing ... for the family involved and for me as well.''

There had been published accounts of the accident, but city officials had declined to release the records because those involved were under 18. The police report was released Wednesday in response to an open-records request that was submitted to Midland officials in March.

According to the two-page accident report, Laura Welch was driving her Chevrolet sedan on a clear night shortly after 8 p.m. on Nov. 6, 1963, when she drove into an intersection and struck a Corvair sedan driven by 17-year-old Michael Douglas.

Although previous news accounts have reported Douglas was thrown from the car and broke his neck, those details were not in the report.

The speed of Laura Bush's car was illegible on the report. The speed limit for the road was 55.

Laura Bush and her passenger, Judy Dykes, also 17, were taken to a hospital and treated for minor injuries, according to an accident account printed at the time in the Midland Reporter-********.

The police report indicates no charges were filed. That section of the report was left blank.

''As far as we know, no charges were filed,'' said Midland city attorney Keith Stretcher. ''I don't think it's unusual that charges weren't filed.''

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And there's also this, which explains the accident in more detail:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/laura.asp

 

[Sausy]

I truly take issue with Snapcat and his attempt to smear LAURA Bush through guilt by association.She's a Bush,so she'a an evil criminal....that is what is implied.The accident was tragic,the circumstances still not entirely clear,but to leap and judge her as a murderer...when many liberal Democrats here still defend drunk,selfish,reckless Ted Kennedy who definitely was negligent and complacent at the least in young Mary Jo Kopechne's death,I'm sorry,but no sale!

I do notlike to take issue with my friends,but when I believe a line has been crossed,I only look to defend what's right and vigorously challenge the allegation made.

 

[snapcat]

Ned, is there some reason that your cite omitted the fact that the victim of Laura Bush's vehicular manslaughter was her boyfriend? That's just too convenient an omission to be accidental.

Similarly, the fact that the weather was clear and visibility was excellent seems to be missing from your cite. The fact that she had travelled along Farm Road 868 hundreds of times and was very familiar with the road and the stop sign that she failed to stop at also seem to be missing from your cite.

It was well established that a full 8 minutes elapsed in which Michael Dutton Douglas lay there with a hole in his neck while trying to figure out why his girlfriend didn't recognize his distinctive 1962 Corvair Sedan, you know, the one with the distinctive headlights that were low slung and a full 9 inches narrower than any other care on the road.

I can't imagine there were a lot of Corvair Sedans in Midland, Texas, can you?

You know, for years Laura Bush lied about being the driver of that car. She said it was raining and slick and weather reports dispute that. She lied about Michael Dutton Douglas being her boyfriend, but the District Attorney said that he was her boyfriend when he released the police report.

Now if the thought of Laura "The Black Widow" Bush's carefully constructed reputation being besmirched upsets you, or the thought of Laura Bush: Midland's Emissary of Death having to answer to her killing of a 17 year old Texas boy seems unfair, then I don't know what to think.

Funny, I thought the GOP was known for being the "Right to Life" party. But, oh wait I forgot ... she was a Democrat then wasn't she?

Far too long, here, the right has enjoyed the freedom of political character assasination. But you know what, it's about high time that the folks on the left and those inbetween enjoyed that same freedom. After all, why should the right enjoy the exclusivity?

No, I think the Swift Boats can dock in both harbors.

 

[NedNickerson]

Ned, is there some reason that your cite omitted the fact that the victim of Laura Bush's vehicular manslaughter was her boyfriend? That's just too convenient an omission to be accidental.

It's mentioned in the second link, and it's a disputed fact. I just copied and pasted the stories as they appeared on the Internet.

 

[JayHawk]

Retard-America National Committee.

The Republicans may have lost the South with this Ad.

You do not live in the daily racist environment of the south, at least not the part I do. Black does out number white in this area. Ford will win here but not in the rest of the state.

 

[Homoaffectional]

it's a disputed fact.

And I'm sure you give nice disclaimers like 'it's disputed' [because it's not even fact, but bullshit propaganda] when it comes to the Shit Boat Bitterans Against Truth's smears, as well.