The semantics thread

[Alistair]

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The sentence you used as an example wasn’t using guising as a verb. It was an adverb. Nothardup1 was just pointing that out, not that it can’t be a verb. As we’ve pointed out, many nouns can also be used as a verb.

 

[pigface]

The sentence you used as an example wasn’t using guising as a verb. It was an adverb. Nothardup1 was just pointing that out, not that it can’t be a verb. As we’ve pointed out, many nouns can also be used as a verb.

I don't agree with your analysis. An adverb qualifies the action, E.g. "He arrived quickly at my home." "guising" does not modify or qualify how he came, it describes an additional, secondary action, as in "She ran naked through the shady streets, screaming all the way." "screaming" is not an adverb, but an additional action. These are compound sentences, where the conjunction (for instance, "while", or "and") is omitted for brevity.

 

[Alistair]

I don't agree with your analysis. An adverb qualifies the action, E.g. "He arrived quickly at my home." "guising" does not modify or qualify how he came, it describes an additional, secondary action, as in "She ran naked through the shady streets, screaming all the way." "screaming" is not an adverb, but an additional action.

Are you even gay or do you just come here to argue with people? I’ve never seen you post anything besides that. That’s a serious question, I’d really like to know.

 

[NotHardUp1]

The sentence is not a compound. An example of a compound would be as below:

She ran naked through the shady streets, and she screamed all the way.

But, the example you provided is a simple sentence with an adverbial phrase modifying the verb. Screaming is an adverb, and the phrase "all the way" is an adverbial phrase modifying screaming.

For the predicate to have been compound, both (alleged) verbs would have needed to be in the same tense, else would require a helping verb to change tense.

(e.g., She cursed the judge and will be paying for it when the trial resumes.)

We've digressed from semantics to simple grammar.

To your posting of the 1905 dictionary, that explains the dissonance. Online dictionaries are not even showing guise as a verb in archaic reference, and the age of the citation seems to confirm that it is no longer used as a verb. Of course, that is not absolute, only an indication of its rarity and general lack of use.

Also, "guising" was more common in Scotland and not so much in other places.

 

[NotHardUp1]

Goose can be a verb too.

As can duck.

 

[gsdx]

Sorry I brought it up.

 

[NotHardUp1]

Sorry I brought it up.

Ruffled feathers aside, it did point out distinctions that are informative, the intent of the thread.

Although guise and disguise can be used more exactly, for most uses, they are synonymous.

And, in American contemporary writing, guise seems to be almost out of use as verb, and maybe almost as much so in Commonwealth countries. Almost all examples of it in print and online dictionaries limited it to mumming or masquerades in the archaic sense. As such, the word is simply one of thousands that are useful to a culture in one century and then fade away to the realm of scholars as the culture changes and moves on.

 

[NotHardUp1]

Behest and bequest.

Although the literal definitions are obviously different, the conflation of the two because they are both used in reference to wills is common.

 

[frankfrank]

Goose can be a verb too.

As can duck.

Also swallow, crow, cock (a rifle)...

And cardinal can refer to a number, or a high office in the Catholic Church (such as, a few decades ago, Cardinal Sin in the Philippines - yes, really)