The Stolen Election, Part One: GOP Thugs Stop Recount

[RandomAccess]

I think his point is that a lot of people, once a state is called, go home thinking the polls have closed. Because Florida is in two time zones, this is problematic because people that MIGHT OTHERWISE HAVE VOTED did not.

I have to agree with Alfie. . . "WAAAAAANH! The bad-bad men in the bad-bad media called the results too soon! WAAAAAAANH!" Thing is, they called 'em one way, then the other, then back again. . . (Get what I'm saying?) Besides, I think the vast majority of voters are adults who can tell time.

 

[RandomAccess]

u gotta strange way of showing it

sanity is a lot to ask for

try not assuming the worst ok random

try it once

u might like it

What? I can't hope for a return to sanity in the WH? And, just because you see things bright and rosy in today's WH, doesn't make it so. Remember what I've told you before about acceptance?

 

[RandomAccess]

Hey RA...try this ..

Look at the shiny object and repeat after me...

"Bush is the most intelligent president in U.S. history"

"Bush won the election"

"Bush and the republicans are decent honest people that care about this country, and would NEVER put it in danger"

"Bush is not a piece of shit"

"Fox news and the N.Y. Post are respected and reliable sources of news"

When I say "Tatertots" you will snap out of my hynotic trance and practice these principals in all your affairs..wink..

"TATERTOTS"...

See , I did make that shit up..

Huh? What? Oh. . . sorry. I just had a nightmare where there was a KW hood ornament racing straight toward my forehead. . . It was on a Red Truck that said "Bush Is Good!" Scary shit!

'Sides, I like to practice PRINCIPALS. . . Republicans don't have a whole lot of those. At least the current crop on Pennsylvania Ave. don't.

 

[CO Bob]

History needs to record that the election was stolen. And, as long as conservatives keep trying to squelch that fact, it must be repeated, loud and strong!

You are delusional. No matter how hard General Alfie tries to rewrite history, it won't happen. Sorry, but the old Clinton trick of repeating falsehoods oftern enough that they become truth will not work.

 

[OtterJoq]

You are delusional. No matter how hard General Alfie tries to rewrite history, it won't happen. Sorry, but the old Clinton trick of repeating falsehoods oftern enough that they become truth will not work.

Nice try, CO.

There is no doubt that Katherine Harris and Jeb Bush conspired to keep nearly 10,000 lower-income Floridians off the voter registration rolls.

Do you think they were going to vote Republican?

Yeah, right.

The theft happened, and all the wishing in the world on the part of the Pugs won't change history.

Someone is delusional...but it ain't RA.

 

[Sondrith]

Nice try, CO.

There is no doubt that Katherine Harris and Jeb Bush conspired to keep nearly 10,000 lower-income Floridians off the voter registration rolls.

Do you think they were going to vote Republican?

Yeah, right.

The theft happened, and all the wishing in the world on the part of the Pugs won't change history.

Someone is delusional...but it ain't RA.

WOW and I suppose you can support your accusation?

Someone is delusional alright...General, Random where are you screaming about facts to support your claim now?

 

[OtterJoq]

WOW and I suppose you can support your accusation?

I realize there is no such thing as an unbiased source, so make of these what you will. But it's pretty evident...something nefarious happened in Florida that undoubtedly affected the outcome of the 2000 election. And I had the number wrong...it wasn't 10,000...multiply that by three or four or five and you'll be closer to the truth.

Imagine supporting a president who could only win through cheating. I can't. And so I don't.

http://www.whoseflorida.com/jeb_purge.htm
http://archive.democrats.com/search.cfm?term=katherine+harris
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20040517/palast
http://tampa.creativeloafing.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid:125
http://www.rationalrevolution.net/war/legitimate_voters_removed_from_v.htm

et cetera...

 

[Homoaffectional]

I say "Keep floggin 'til they get it thru their noggin!" History needs to record that the election was stolen. And, as long as conservatives keep trying to squelch that fact, it must be repeated, loud and strong!

On this note, I'm really glad that Christine Jennings contested another stolen race (FL-13 in 2006), and the Congressional Dem leadership backed the challenge, if only in slightly more lip service than they usually do. That alone is a step in the right direction.

It was a politically sound strategy because it's hard for the neocons anywhere to get any traction with the typical "sore loser" argument, since either way the Dems took the House, so without the usual life or death stakes, this can be examined on the merits of what actually took place, and lessons learned so that this kind of thing doesn't happen again. And, of course, it sends a message to the Repubs that they will not be allowed to get away with this kind of thing any longer.

 

[OtterJoq]

With the benefit of hindsight, we can now see that the Bush administration has made the flouting of the law central to its operational strategy. That the whole sorry mess began with a miscarriage of justice should no longer surprise anyone but the blindest of the Bushies.

 

[Sondrith]

Interesting point Otter but the problem you still have is the law. Florida law, sense 1869 bans convicted felons from voting. Although it does offer a lengthy and often expensive means to regain voting privilages. Which in and of itself is completely unfair. However, removing them from polling lists was appropriate legally, albeit not morally. In the case of Johnson v. Bush the Supreme Court upheld the right of individual states to determine its own voting laws. Which in the case of Florida baned convited felons from voting.

The Nation and Solon.com you could at least attempt find something nonbiased.

 

[OtterJoq]

However, removing them from polling lists was appropriate legally, albeit not morally.

I agree. Katherine Harris and Jeb Bush acted immorally, thereby handing the election to Jeb's brother.

What a shame.

And our children and their children shall know the truth about what happened, regardless of how the Pugs try to squelch the real story.

 

[Sondrith]

I agree. Katherine Harris and Jeb Bush acted immorally, thereby handing the election to Jeb's brother.

What a shame.

And our children and their children shall know the truth about what happened, regardless of how the Pugs try to squelch the real story.

Gee, I'm sorry obviously Florida's law had something to do with it....
The law may be morally questionable but it is in fact the law.

Alfie I did in fact read them....Solon.com and The Nation. Big suprise there

 

[OtterJoq]

Gee, I'm sorry obviously Florida's law had something to do with it....
The law may be morally questionable but it is in fact the law.

Jeb and Katherine KNEW that thousands of names were erroneously placed on the felons list and did nothing, knowing full well that inaction would all but guarantee a Bush "victory."

How is that in any way permissible under the law?

The problem is not with the law, but with the fact that the law was not applied fairly.

 

[Sondrith]

In the articles in question I found that they took what happened and played on it. Yes the Florida law is antiquated, yes the law affects predominately African-American and is unfair, however the law stated that in 2000, the time in question, convicted felons were barred from voting. You can take a fact and fluff it anyway you want. The problem in this case was that the Florida law disenfranchised many, predominately African-Americans. The Republicans simply used the law to their advantage.

 

[OtterJoq]

In the articles in question I found that they took what happened and played on it. Yes the Florida law is antiquated, yes the law affects predominately African-American and is unfair, however the law stated that in 2000, the time in question, convicted felons were barred from voting. You can take a fact and fluff it anyway you want. The problem in this case was that the Florida law disenfranchised many, predominately African-Americans. The Republicans simply used the law to their advantage.

Congratulations to them, then. They must be so proud!

 

[RandomAccess]

You are delusional. No matter how hard General Alfie tries to rewrite history, it won't happen. Sorry, but the old Clinton trick of repeating falsehoods oftern enough that they become truth will not work.

And the days of the old GOP trick of "That's that, now get-over-it!" being tolerated is done.

 

[RandomAccess]

On this note, I'm really glad that Christine Jennings contested another stolen race (FL-13 in 2006), and the Congressional Dem leadership backed the challenge, if only in slightly more lip service than they usually do. That alone is a step in the right direction.

It was a politically sound strategy because it's hard for the neocons anywhere to get any traction with the typical "sore loser" argument, since either way the Dems took the House, so without the usual life or death stakes, this can be examined on the merits of what actually took place, and lessons learned so that this kind of thing doesn't happen again. And, of course, it sends a message to the Repubs that they will not be allowed to get away with this kind of thing any longer.

I hear you. I happen to be one of the disenfranchised voters. . . my vote for Jennings wasn't counted. When I challenged it in the polling place (the machine didn't confirm the vote) I was asked to leave under threat of "security." I went right outside & called the Sarasota ABC station. Good ol' boy Vern Buchanan pulled off another swindle.

 

[chance1]

Hey RA...try this ..

Look at the shiny object and repeat after me...

"Bush is the most intelligent president in U.S. history"

"Bush won the election"

"Bush and the republicans are decent honest people that care about this country, and would NEVER put it in danger"

"Bush is not a piece of shit"

"Fox news and the N.Y. Post are respected and reliable sources of news"

When I say "Tatertots" you will snap out of my hynotic trance and practice these principals in all your affairs..wink..

"TATERTOTS"...

See , I did make that shit up..

dude

u gotta stop these long trips

where u don't get to sleep

it's depriving u of ...............

ur ability to reason

 

[radical matt]

Random, I would say NEVER underestimate people's knowledge of things, but try not to overestimate it either. If you saw that your state had been called, what does that make you think? Either A) the polls have closed or B) the election margin was already so wide that no amount of votes in the polls that are still open would change the outcome; both of which are reasonable thoughts.


Convicted fellons aren't allowed to vote in many states...I'm not sure why, exactly, I was always told it was a civic DUTY, a responsibility for all good citizens, yet you tell people who are bad they are freed from this responsibility (by force.) I dunno, doesn't make much sense to me.


Something I'd like to point out, though; if the law is what kept these votes from being counted, and to count them would be a break with the law, than wouldn't that mean that had Gore won it would be HE who had stolen an election with illegal votes and trampled the law, something that you guys are accusing Bush of?

 

[frankfrank]

Didn't Florida recently repeal the law that disenfranchises those felons who have served their sentences? Or was it only a proposal?

And weren't ALL the students at Florida A&M in Tallahassee deprived of the right to vote, because their polling place never opened? Those were thousands of predominately Black votes which were never allowed to take place.

I've always felt that felons should be allowed to vote - even if they are currently in prison. There should be a voting machine on Death Row, even. I have never heard anybody say that a felon loses his citizenship while serving time.

I hear it quoted that, by all accounts, media recounts have unequivocally proven that Gore won the state. I hear it quoted that, by all accounts, media recounts have unequivocally proven that Bush won the state.

What IS the truth, anyway?

However, I find it very telling if one looks at who voted which way in the Supreme Court. AT LEAST EIGHT, if not all nine, of the votes were partisan votes! I don't think that ANY of the justices were considering whether the activities were constitutional, but merely going through the motions of appearing to rule on it, but all the while realizing it was in their power to determine who the next President would be.

Thank you for this thread, GA...neither this nor the 2004 Ohio fiasco (where the Diebold CEO pledged to "deliver Ohio" to Bush) can be ignored, especially as 2008 will see even more votes controlled by private, unaccountable corporations who are supplying machines with secret software.