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The Truth About UNCTarheel.

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Wow - this is shocking...This manufacturing of "friends" that vouch for the authenticity of the guy has me concerned.
 
i think when you make a connection with someone here or anywhere online you have to be prepared that they will not be all that they claim to be.

i'm not making excuses for those that lie or fabricate but its very easy to do it. there is no expectation that you will be fact checked so you can make yourself out to be just about anything and anybody you want to be.

is it right? is it wrong? i think its wrong when you ended up making a connection with someone and you aren't who you really claimed to be.

anyhow having been burned in the past as the op was? well, i feel for you.
 
I find that baffling, that someone would go to so much effort, put so much follow-through into a faux persona. Multiple faux personae, even, all interlocked and organized.

For what it's worth, though, it sounds to me like "Tate" was a very good friend while he lasted, he helped you through a lot of tough times. Few of my real life friends, whose idenities I can verify in a court of law, have invested that kind of time and care in me.

I know that doesn't forgive the staggering dishonesty, but it gives you something to take away from the enounter besides the feeling of being had.
 
That's quite an elaborate story, guy. Almost makes a person wonder if you're not just making this all up, like maybe you're actually the artist formerly known as UNCTarheel with a different IP address, giving this forum another run through the wash.
 
I'm wondering about a lot of stuff too ---- like how a person is here for almost 10 months and doesn't see fit to post ONE word until today?
Maybe CORNY will be checking into this .. he has a good nose......for sniffing out "stuff"......
 
BINOWGAYLATER said:
Maybe CORNY will be checking into this .. he has a good nose......for sniffing out "stuff"......
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Yeah he does. Once, I even thought he was sniffing out my "stuff" but it turned out he'd just caught a whiff of the knockwurst I keep in my side pocket. You know Germans and their wurst :{
 
And yet when I called bullshit a few months back, a mod assured me that Unctarheel was the real thing.

...and I find this story a little too elaborate as well.
 
rareboy said:
And yet when I called bullshit a few months back, a mod assured me that Unctarheel was the real thing.

...and I find this story a little too elaborate as well.
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You were onto something and during the Leozzzz episode, there was some question about UNCTarHeel. The problem with UNCTarHeel (or John Doe) is that he has a very good memory for detail and he didn't leave a trail of inconsistency behind. Apparently, he had created a rather elaborate set of characters and knew them like a good fiction writer would.

Just like a good fiction writer would know that Patrick Bateman was the name of the protagonist in American Psycho.


Fire said:
Yeah he does. Once, I even thought he was sniffing out my "stuff" but it turned out he'd just caught a whiff of the knockwurst I keep in my side pocket. You know Germans and their wurst :{
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I don't think it was your "knockwurst" he was sniffing out. At least not the one in your pocket.
 
I am pretty sure that nobody assured you that he was the real thing, more that we have no reason to believe he is fake.
But here is a nice rule of thumb when dealing with online personaes .. if it is too good to be true - it most likely isn't. If we get suspicious we do check a few things out (and even that some people seem not to like, if you are a supporter check my thread on this in the supporter forum), but unlike on facebook (and he very well knew why he pulled this all there) he only had his one personality here.
There are fakers like this on facebook or just on any big dating website .. no matter whether they are straight or gay. Usually they are easier to spot, and this one was quite elaborate .. or as Fire put it .. from here we have even now no way to prove that he is a fake neither that this story is real. And there time of membership and numbers of post is no indicator for that (there are a lot of more users who joined this year than those who posted this year .. )
 
just curious, but what does one gain from these elaborate games?
identity theft...how?
his rocks off from just playing a game? color me dumb but i just don't get it.:confused:
 
pbateman said:
I know UNCTarheel was very popular on here. Here's a scary story. Back in January, when I was starting to realize I needed to talk to someone about the whole figuring out if I was gay thing, I went to this message board site. There were people on the site, more than willing to just give advice, but most of it was from postings. I didn't want to be that public. I noticed Tate's profile, saw he actually posted pictures of himself, had a boyfriend, and figured he was safe. He was a southern frat guy like me who had a very similar upbringing and group of friends and lifestyle that I had, and we were both avidly into fitness. So I sent him a private message, we facebook friended each other. He wanted to make sure my info was legit, and I wasnt some creepster, and I thought the same of him.

We FB chatted once, then exchanged #'s bc I didnt want to just talk online about that kind of stuff. He lived in Charlotte, went to UGA, was all into sports, was in a frat, came from a good family, He was like a big bro at first. Telling me his story, about his life in college, some of his friends he had. He told me how none of his friends cared at all. He told me to befriend a bunch of them on Facebook. I did. Because our groups of friends seemed similar, Tate gave me a "real gay guy" I coul relate to. He also friend suggested me to this other guy, I'm going to call him John Doe, who he thought was in a similiar position as me. The guy was like 36 and worked in Greenville. I was nice and would send messages about sports every now and then, but we didn't talk too much. I needed to talk to someone who was out, not someone who was still figuring things out and was 10 years older than me and still dating a girl.

Tate encouraged me to tell my friends, on my own time, and I did. He wanted to make sure I didn't do it too fast, but was very supportive. Over the next couple months, we started talking 3-4 nights per week. Texting all the time. We traded some pics, including some of mine where I was showing workout progression like some others do on here. Nothing nude ever, he joked about the pics being hot, but I was just shirtless in gym shorts. We talked workout stuff. No big deal. Then, it went from "big bro" to flirting. It went from that to him telling me how much he liked me over the next couple of months. We really connected but he had a boyfriend, but wished he had the guts to just leave the guy and come down and be with me. I fell for it. His friends would "steal his phone" and text me a bout it. I'd get messages from them. His ex-gf (Amy McKibbin) would chat me and tell me how much she thought we should get together. We tried to meet up a few times, but our schedules didn't work out, and he was hesitant b/c he had a boyfriend. He "couldn't trust himself with me" he said. Yet, this guy would call me every night from Egypt when he traveled there.. He was really funny and easy to talk to, and he'd helped me out a lot. I told him he needed to stop with the other flirting stuff, unless he was single, b/c it wasnt fair to me or his boyfriend. He couldn't stop, so one time I told him I needed a break from talking to him, b/c I'd fallen for him, but that wasn't fair since he wasn't available. We didnt talk for a week. He promised to not flirt anymore. He stopped for a week. Then he went right back to it.

I finished law school, and moved a few states away so he and I weren't within an hour's drive anymore. About a week after, he and his boyfriend broke up. He started calling more. But at the same time, didn't want to jump into anything b/c we were 3 states away and neither knew where we would wind up. He had just gotten out of a relationship, and it was the 3rd time he'd been burnt buy a guy "fresh out of the closet" who dated him and left soonthereafter bc they wanted to date a bunch of people. I understood, it made sense. But we kept talking all the time. His friends still messaged me, wrote on my wall. That's an understatement, he and his friends blew up my facebook wall, commented on pictures, etc. So much that John Doe would write me about football, and then ask if Tate and I were dating (he was best friends with Tate's sister). Tate had friended a bunch of my friends on FB and so had his friends. We were all in constant contact on FB. Amy, his ex gf before he came out, had friended a guy friend of mine and liked his pics, he took some work out pics bc he was into lifting, and posted them. She said she wanted to come road trip with Tate and she would meet this guy.

This summer, when I got stressed about the bar, Tate would call and talk me through it. He was a lawyer, did a lot of tax law - what I focused on in law school. He told me not to worry about the exam. He called me during the test, texted me, etc. I decided to come out to my parents. Tate had been there for me, so I wanted his advice. Tate read the letter I wrote to my parents. He called his mom and his sister. We talked about it for over an hour. He started telling me that he "hearted" me. And honestly, I was hesitant, but I knew I'd fallen for the Tate too. He knew I had too. We'd talked about it ad nauseum, how we both liked each other but timing was just bad. The first time I used that word was after I passed the bar on the phone.

I was going to meet him at a football game, but his sister needed him to go up to Maryland (She lived in Baltimore) so he could see a different game and see his nephew. At this point, I got annoyed. I told him look, you cant tell someone you heart them, you want to meet sooo bad, you have a huge crush on them, and keep bailing out. I told him we needed to pick a time to meet. He said he wanted to talk about it, and that was it.

He was from Augusta, went to UGA, Dayton Law (sister and dad lived in Ohio until sis got married). Worked in Charlotte as a lawyer. One of my good friends who he had befriended on FB decided she was going to ask her Augusta friends about him (she hadnt previously bc she wanted to keep her nose out), b/c he went to an Augusta HS and graduated when some of her friends did. They hadn't heard of him. My friend emailed the librarian at Lakeside High School, and had them look up a Tate Jackson or Daniel Tate Jackson in the yearbook. She called the NC Bar, no record of either name. I called UGA and Dayton Law, no record. I emailed Tate and just said Who the hell are you? Tate deleted me as a friend. I had another buddy that knew a guy that had a run-in with Tate last year that was sort of similar, so he called that guy and asked what was up with Tate. That guy told him Tate was not real, that Tate was the aforementioned John Doe.

I looked up John Doe's profile. His profile picture was him in front of the pyramids, Egypt phone calls explained. He was the only person I'd met that actually met Tate in person, bc he was best friends with Tate's sister, and John Doe talked about Tate all the time and constantly asked if Tate and I were dating. When Tate bailed on me for games, it was to go to another team's games. John Doe was at the other team's games, yet never took pics with Tate or Tate's sister, and Tate's sister was one of John Doe's closest friend. It was the first person Tate suggested I talk to. He also took trips exactly when Tate did, or around the same times at least. Other people I talked to, all were suggested to befriend John Doe while being friends with Tate. All said Tate suggest they meet up with John Doe if he was in close proximity traveling.

So what happened? This John Doe guy created numerous profiles, well over 10-15. All of Tate's friends I had talked to were John Doe impersonating other people via Facebook. His sister and mom and cousins didn't exist. His boyfriend and other ex-bf's didn't exist. He even made up a guy on FB that he had randomly met at a basketball game from Charleston. It was a huge huge operation and facade. Tate had 2 cellphones, and told me one was for work and the other was personal. The personal phone was from an area-code that he purported to live in. He would never give anyone his address to mail things, or give out a work email or work cell. I know some people who are really private, so I didn't question - I figured I was talking to his friends and after we met, he'd share it after we met. This had gone on for 9 months.. Talking to so many diff people that knew him, I just didn't think about this possibility.

He's done this 3 or 4 different times, and I've talke to the other people who he did this too. I talked to one person who he has been in touch with for over 3 years and had no clue he was a fake.

Anyway, that's what happened.. I know I deserve to be awarded the Biggest Moron of the Year Award. But we know who the real Tate is, and he's not the guy in those pictures. Whoever that guy is, and his group of friends are in many of the pictures, I hope find out so they can get some kind of justice. They've been given false identities on FB and they've been dispersed all over Facebook. We reported all of the profiles including John Doe to Facebook. They're all gone. He also removed his profile from this site and MySpace.

I've talked to some of the other guys that this happened to with Tate. We are all more than fine, but the problem is that this guy could take advantage of some dude that comes out -- and isn't nearly as stable or tough, and someone that doesn't have a solid group of friends. My friends still don't really believe me that I'm gay (jokingly, but some don't), but they've all been awesome and none of them care. And I am a southern frat guy that runs around with the same crowd so I was nervous telling them. However, this guy could wind up meeting someone who doesn't have as solid of a group of friends, and when that kid also finds out that Tate is fake, it could be a really bad situation and that kid's head could be messed up.

Hope none of y'all had the same thing happen. And just remember, be careful whenever you meet people online. Don't learn the hard way like I did.
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Man...I must have developed ADHD---Cause, there's no way I can make it through that post...I tried!!!!oops!
 
One ought not to be surprised I wrote this, but the advice that comes to mind for me is "live and learn." Thank goodness no one is hurt. This is a cyber site and caution is to be advised.

Then there is the real world, and the advice still holds. Live and learn, for there are con men and women everywhere.


Shep+
 
wrestlingobsessed said:
Some people are so sad that they go to these lengths to pretend to be other people, it makes me so mad.
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From a technical perspective I suppose we're all "fake" to a point.

I mean, if you're not posting using your real name, age and location and witholding some details about yourself - and not for nefarious reasons, necessarily; not by a long shot - you cannot be 100% real. We love the anonymity a place like this gives us. It's the online quivalent of meeting up in person but we're all dressed as ninjas and nobody knows who we actually are.

Perhaps some of us are more real than others in here in terms of what details we make known - and presumably the number of people sporting entirely invented personae is comparatively few - but I doubt that any of us is exactly the same online as in the flesh.

-d-
 
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