The US is alone.

[rareboy]

Even Syria has signed onto the Paris Accord, leaving the US utterly alone as the only country not to be part of the treaty.

Instead, TrumpCo. apparently intend on turning up at the next Paris Accord Summit with an intent to try to sell coal.

You cannot make this shit up.

 

[gsdx]

You cannot make this shit up.

You could, but everybody would think it's an SNL sketch.

 

[Benvolio]

We can take measures to reduce emissions without giving a vote to Russia and China. We have given up nothing but we have retained our freedom.

 

[rareboy]

 

[eastofeden]

The funny thing is..these are the "family values" people as they LOVE to remind us..the Republicans and Conservatives...so why are the Liberals and Democrats the only one's concerned about heir children's future and ability to breathe clean air and drink clean water?

If we don't take care of the planet...we are fucking them over....

Their collective greed is nauseating.and that is what it is about. Regulations cost the poor dears $$$$...so much for their children and "family values"....sociopaths..the lot of them..

The good news...alot of the blue states with a conscience have agreed to abide by the Paris Agreement on their own....

 

[Kulindahr]

Republicans will defend Trump's action by pointing out that the Paris accords do only a third of what's needed.

A third is a lot better than nothing.

 

[mikey3000]

In a grim admission, a recent UN report on emissions worldwide foresees an unstoppable warming of the climate, even with the Paris Climate Agreement in place. That’s because the Paris Accords excluded such CO2 emitting giants as China and India.

Had the President not pulled our nation out of the agreement, The Untied States would be have been shackled to standards that would do very little to reduce CO2 levels, and would cripple our economy.

http://iotwreport.com/un-admits-paris-accord-is-worthless/

 

[gsdx]

^ You've quoted the entire article and there is no link to the UN report stating what you've posted. I couldn't even find it online. However, I found a lot of articles on the UN stating that much more needs to be done.

If you can find that UN report that says the accord is worthless, please post it.

By the way, the IOTW Report is a Blog.

 

[Kulindahr]

http://iotwreport.com/un-admits-paris-accord-is-worthless/

Odd that opinion piece claim, since three investment newsletters I keep an eye on agree that adhering to the Paris accords would be a boost to the U.S. economy.

 

[Benvolio]

We can adher to it without committing ourselves.

 

[mikey3000]

Yeah, odd. But here is one from Investors.com then...

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/the-un-admits-that-the-paris-climate-deal-was-a-fraud/

 

[gsdx]

^ That isn't saying it's worthless. I just says that it is not enough to fix the problem. It says what both Kuli and I said: that the UN report states that the Accord is doing about 1/3 of what's necessary to fix the problem entirely.

Imagine your plumbing springs a leak and your basement floods. The plumber you hire patches 1/3 of the hole. Your basement will still flood. It will just flood a bit slower. To stop the leak entirely and prevent your basement from flooding, you have to patch the other 2/3 of the hole.

That is what the UN report is saying about the Accord. It's not "worthless". It's just not enough.

 

[Benvolio]

^ That isn't saying it's worthless. I just says that it is not enough to fix the problem. It says what both Kuli and I said: that the UN report states that the Accord is doing about 1/3 of what's necessary to fix the problem entirely.

Imagine your plumbing springs a leak and your basement floods. The plumber you hire patches 1/3 of the hole. Your basement will still flood. It will just flood a bit slower. To stop the leak entirely and prevent your basement from flooding, you have to patch the other 2/3 of the hole.

That is what the UN report is saying about the Accord. It's not "worthless". It's just not enough.

There is the problem. If the Paris accords seem benign at the moment, the UN says it is only 1/3 of what is needed. So committing to the Accord subjects us to the imposition of new limitations by out economic rivals and others.It allow Russia and China, for instance to support limitations which we will comply with and they will not. Commitments like this are a way to impose the liberal agenda on the US without the democratic process.

 

[gsdx]

^ The problem is Trump backing out of the Accord so he can open his coal mines and sell the coal overseas so they can pump even more pollution into the atmosphere (which, by the way, Trump did in a truly undemocratic way with no help from the Liberals), thus undoing everything everybody else in the world is doing to stop it.

And where did that Russian and Chinese stuff come from?

And enough about the so-called 'Liberal Agenda'. We have enough of a problem dealing with the 'Trump Agenda'.

 

[Benvolio]

^ The problem is Trump backing out of the Accord so he can open his coal mines and sell the coal overseas so they can pump even more pollution into the atmosphere (which, by the way, Trump did in a truly undemocratic way with no help from the Liberals), thus undoing everything everybody else in the world is doing to stop it.

And where did that Russian and Chinese stuff come from?

And enough about the so-called 'Liberal Agenda'. We have enough of a problem dealing with the 'Trump Agenda'.

Trump merely reversed the dictate of Obama.

 

[mikey3000]

^ The problem is Trump backing out of the Accord so he can open his coal mines and sell the coal overseas so they can pump even more pollution into the atmosphere (which, by the way, Trump did in a truly undemocratic way with no help from the Liberals), thus undoing everything everybody else in the world is doing to stop it.

And where did that Russian and Chinese stuff come from?

And enough about the so-called 'Liberal Agenda'. We have enough of a problem dealing with the 'Trump Agenda'.

He bloody well have an agenda. Trump is the leader of America.

 

[Kulindahr]

And where did that Russian and Chinese stuff come from?

I think he's mis-referencing a claim by a Trump official that turns out to not be accurate.

Russia is a signatory to the Paris Accord, and China is party to it. China comes under a different method for measuring progress than does the U.S., because industry in the U.S. a static compared to industry in China, which is still expanding. Progress for the U.S. and other developed nations is measured against current emissions levels, but for China and some others it's on the basis of emissions per unit of GDP. Whether the different approaches are equitable is arguable, but it is false to say China gets a pass; they have in fact committed to doing more than what the U.S. committed to.

One thing opponents of the Accord fail to point out is that the U.S. stands to benefit economically from China's participation, as at present the U.S. has better technology than does China for mitigating emissions, so for the near future China will have to buy from the U.S. (and/or Europe) to meet its declared goals.

 

[Kulindahr]

^ The problem is Trump backing out of the Accord so he can open his coal mines and sell the coal overseas so they can pump even more pollution into the atmosphere (which, by the way, Trump did in a truly undemocratic way with no help from the Liberals), thus undoing everything everybody else in the world is doing to stop it.

If that's Trump's reason, he's disconnected from reality; according to industry experts at the companies themselves, U.S. coal production is not going to leap upward. And since all the other countries have agreed to the Accord, as either parties or signatories, there's not going to be a jump in U.S. exports, either.

 

[gsdx]

If that's Trump's reason, he's disconnected from reality; according to industry experts at the companies themselves, U.S. coal production is not going to leap upward.

Apparently he plans on attending the next accord conference to push American coal.

 

[Benvolio]

I think he's mis-referencing a claim by a Trump official that turns out to not be accurate.

Russia is a signatory to the Paris Accord, and China is party to it. China comes under a different method for measuring progress than does the U.S., because industry in the U.S. a static compared to industry in China, which is still expanding. Progress for the U.S. and other developed nations is measured against current emissions levels, but for China and some others it's on the basis of emissions per unit of GDP. Whether the different approaches are equitable is arguable, but it is false to say China gets a pass; they have in fact committed to doing more than what the U.S. committed to.

One thing opponents of the Accord fail to point out is that the U.S. stands to benefit economically from China's participation, as at present the U.S. has better technology than does China for mitigating emissions, so for the near future China will have to buy from the U.S. (and/or Europe) to meet its declared goals.

No, I strongly dislike allowing foreign countries power to impose limitations on the US. I want to preserve our democracy and economic freedom. Other countries are our economic rivals and Russia and China are major powers who would not miss a chance to hurt us economically. It is easily predictable that they will attempt to impose more onerous restrictions and obligations upon us than themselves. It does not help that it was imposed by authoritarian dictate by Obama, intentionally avoiding the democratic process. Again, we can conform to the accords without surrendering our democracy.