The worship of evil Gods makes people evil [SPLIT]

[Kulindahr]

just look of the words of Jesus Christ himself

Jesus never said anything about it.

 

[cityboy-stl]

How anyone gay or bi can be a Christian is beyond me this is not judgement but o.k. just look of the words of Jesus Christ himself,-If a man lies with a man as with a woman, they have both committed an abomination.Leviticus 20:13

Leviticus was written 1400 years before Jesus was born.

 

[Kulindahr]

Leviticus was written 1400 years before Jesus was born.

And was nullified not long after he lived -- just read Acts 15.

 

[Franco Verum]

And was nullified not long after he lived -- just read Acts 15.

And it was 1000 years after Leviticus before homosexuality was written about again.

 

[FrodoTX]

 

[Franco Verum]

"Hateful Christian," "Angry Atheist." Each extreme makes both the Christian and the Atheist look bad.

 

[unloadonme]

"Hateful Christian," "Angry Atheist." Each extreme makes both the Christian and the Atheist look bad.

Except that the charge of hypocrite could only be levelled at the Christian.

 

[Franco Verum]

Absolutely. Two of the greatest sins a Christian can commit are being a hypocrite and judging others, which is what Christ condemned the Scribes and the Pharisees for doing in no uncertain terms.

The strange part is that the LGBTQ brings Christians to commit these sins in their dislike of the LGBTQ. They ache so bad to judge the LGBTQ; they try to justify it by saying it isn't judging, coming up with sayings like "hate the sin, love the sinner," which is in no way based in Scripture. And when they make outright lies about the LGBTQ (they cause natural disasters, they're after children, they have demons, they live a "Lifestyle," on and on)? They also bear false witness, another grievous sin that the LGBTQ brings them to do.

For years, I have been telling Christians that this fixation they have on the LGBTQ is spiritually unhealthy. It disrupts their peace of mind, and it makes the LGBTQ neighbor they are called to love into combatants in a "Culture War" they invented.

 

[TX-Beau]

"Hateful Christian," "Angry Atheist." Each extreme makes both the Christian and the Atheist look bad.

Yeah, those atheists are angry. Why?




Hateful Christians. You don't see those atheists trying to legislatively persecute Christians—false comparison.

 

[Franco Verum]

Yeah, those atheists are angry. Why?




Hateful Christians. You don't see those atheists trying to legislatively persecute Christians—false comparison.

Have you looked through all of my Christian bent postings on this app? You will see that I make your argument over and over again. I make your argument over and over again on my YouTube channel, on my site, and on all my socials. I'm not going to apologize for what bad Christians are doing, what I am always calling them out for doing.

I don't see many Christians legislate against Atheists, do you? They only do it with the LGBTQ, a laser focus. Hateful Christians lump all gays together, angry Atheists lump all Christians together, how is that different? One of the most vile responses I ever received was from an Atheist on my Threads app, he was also gay. He took it to a new level of ugly with me, why? Just because I was a Christian. It didn't matter what kind of man or Christian I was, he only cared that I was a believer in Jesus, and that was enough for him to despise me.

 

[TX-Beau]

Have you looked through all of my Christian bent postings on this app? You will see that I make your argument over and over again. I make your argument over and over again on my YouTube channel, on my site, and on all my socials. I'm not going to apologize for what bad Christians are doing, what I am always calling them out for doing.

I don't see many Christians legislate against Atheists, do you? They only do it with the LGBTQ, a laser focus. Hateful Christians lump all gays together, angry Atheists lump all Christians together, how is that different? One of the most vile responses I ever received was from an Atheist on my Threads app, he was also gay. He took it to a new level of ugly with me, why? Just because I was a Christian. It didn't matter what kind of man or Christian I was, he only cared that I was a believer in Jesus, and that was enough for him to despise me.

Personal, unverifiable anecdotes are not arguments. Who the hell knows who you talked to and what they said? I don't. Maybe you were talking to some 14-year-old douchebag getting a kick out of being an ass, perhaps you said something to elicit that response. Who the hell knows? The only authority we have is that of our own opinions.

Every time some Christian wants to use any branch of the public sphere to proselytize, that's an aggressive act. It doesn't need to be right-wing mouth breathing preppers from the racist Reich.

Saying something like "all sides are equal" in some variation is a justification and denial that there is someone who is actually at fault, it's like arguing that Christian Nationalism and its genocidal bigotry, and wanting your kids to go to school without having Christ pushed on them are both equally "extreme" and everyone should be equally embarrassed.

The fact is that there are far more Christians pushing their religion in big ways and small on the rest of us, far beyond some obvious extremists, and what makes atheists mad is paying for those people to use our taxes to benefit their mythology.

You want atheists to be friendly, agree that there is no situation where public funds can be used to pay for Christ, support politicians who agree, and admit that is not an extreme consideration.

I have no problem whatsoever with which curches you pray in, want to pay for, or which of the many, many Christs you wish to follow, but get out of my public institutions and I'll be happy. Atheism is not a doctrine; it's a rejection of YOUR doctrine and how it behaves.

 

[Franco Verum]

Personal, unverifiable anecdotes are not arguments. Who the hell knows who you talked to and what they said? I don't. Maybe you were talking to some 14-year-old douchebag getting a kick out of being an ass, perhaps you said something to elicit that response. Who the hell knows? The only authority we have is that of our own opinions.

Every time some Christian wants to use any branch of the public sphere to proselytize, that's an aggressive act. It doesn't need to be right-wing mouth breathing preppers from the racist Reich.

Saying something like "all sides are equal" in some variation is a justification and denial that there is someone who is actually at fault, it's like arguing that Christian Nationalism and its genocidal bigotry, and wanting your kids to go to school without having Christ pushed on them are both equally "extreme" and everyone should be equally embarrassed.

The fact is that there are far more Christians pushing their religion in big ways and small on the rest of us, far beyond some obvious extremists, and what makes atheists mad is paying for those people to use our taxes to benefit their mythology.

You want atheists to be friendly, agree that there is no situation where public funds can be used to pay for Christ, support politicians who agree, and admit that is not an extreme consideration.

I have no problem whatsoever with which curches you pray in, want to pay for, or which of the many, many Christs you wish to follow, but get out of my public institutions and I'll be happy. Atheism is not a doctrine; it's a rejection of YOUR doctrine and how it behaves.

So, all Atheists are just these sweethearts who respectfully disagree with me with a kiss and a smile? And you know this, how? You see every interaction I've had over the years?

You have hate on both sides, who can be EQUALLY hateful, JUST BECAUSE the other side exists; that's all it can take for many to hate, for others to simply exist. Hate comes from inside of us. Do you think not believing in a God somehow gives immunity to hate? How does that work, exactly? I'm not going by the one instance I mentioned; I'm saying what I'm saying with going by YEARS of having dealt with Atheists of every stripe, and that includes some on this site.

If you see someone talking about what God did in their life as being aggressive? I don't know what to say to that. If someone was extolling the virtues of something I don't like? It's not going to bother me, because I just don't care. The same should go for talking about God. If you see just talking about God as a personal affront? The issue is not with the one who is just talking about God.

Yes, Christian Nationalism is evil. You're right, Christians shouldn't push their beliefs on anyone. People went to Jesus because they WANTED to hear what He had to say. He didn't knock on doors while people were having lunch and asking, "Have you Accepted Me as your Personal Lord and Savior?" Everyone pays taxes, Atheists and Christians.

I absolutely agree that churches should stay out of the secular arena. And guess what? The Bible says the same thing.

Atheism is a doctrine; it is the definition of how you believe, you have reasons for why you believe the way you do, even if that belief is a belief of nothing.

I completely understand your anger and frustration in everything you wrote.
Just pretend I'm Amish from here on out. No one has a problem with the Bible-believing Amish.

 

[opinterph]

The video is a satirical commentary on the perceived hypocrisy of some conservative American Christians. It highlights how these individuals often ignore Jesus’ teachings, such as loving one’s neighbor and caring for the poor, while prioritizing their own interests and beliefs. The author uses humor and irony to critique the disconnect between the actions of these individuals and the core principles of Christianity.

 

[TX-Beau]

So, all Atheists are just these sweethearts who respectfully disagree with me with a kiss and a smile? And you know this, how? You see every interaction I've had over the years?

You have hate on both sides, who can be EQUALLY hateful, JUST BECAUSE the other side exists; that's all it can take for many to hate, for others to simply exist. Hate comes from inside of us. Do you think not believing in a God somehow gives immunity to hate? How does that work, exactly? I'm not going by the one instance I mentioned; I'm saying what I'm saying with going by YEARS of having dealt with Atheists of every stripe, and that includes some on this site.

If you see someone talking about what God did in their life as being aggressive? I don't know what to say to that. If someone was extolling the virtues of something I don't like? It's not going to bother me, because I just don't care. The same should go for talking about God. If you see just talking about God as a personal affront? The issue is not with the one who is just talking about God.

Yes, Christian Nationalism is evil. You're right, Christians shouldn't push their beliefs on anyone. People went to Jesus because they WANTED to hear what He had to say. He didn't knock on doors while people were having lunch and asking, "Have you Accepted Me as your Personal Lord and Savior?" Everyone pays taxes, Atheists and Christians.

I absolutely agree that churches should stay out of the secular arena. And guess what? The Bible says the same thing.

Atheism is a doctrine; it is the definition of how you believe, you have reasons for why you believe the way you do, even if that belief is a belief of nothing.

I completely understand your anger and frustration in everything you wrote.
Just pretend I'm Amish from here on out. No one has a problem with the Bible-believing Amish.

This is a jumble of logical discrepancies, what appears to be ignoring the point, what looks like a conflation of disparate things, justification, factual error, and what seems to be a statement one cannot be disagreed with. If you post on a public forum, don't act shocked that people respond.

First, you haven't made anyone angry. My objection was to the false comparison you drew and then tried to justify. Lots of people do this. It's not new. But it also needs to be challenged when it appears. Second, factual error, Atheism has no doctrine or dogma. It is literally a reaction to religion. A-THEISM see, there it is. There is no doctrine, or dogma, or thou shalt or shalt nots. Atheists come in all sorts of ethical or unethical rigor, but what it isn't is a religion. There is no church we all attend, no moral code we all follow, no heaven, no hell. Religious people sometimes toss out that particular idea as a means of discrediting and ignoring the massive leaps of assumption present in any supernatural mythology [Text: Removed]. Same thing with the "angry atheist" meme. It's a means of dismissal, of drawing a parallel between the abuses of religion and pretending they are minimized because "everyone does it."

I hope you see the problem with that.

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[Franco Verum]

This is a jumble of logical discrepancies, what appears to be ignoring the point, what looks like a conflation of disparate things, justification, factual error, and what seems to be a statement one cannot be disagreed with. If you post on a public forum, don't act shocked that people respond.

First, you haven't made anyone angry. My objection was to the false comparison you drew and then tried to justify. Lots of people do this. It's not new. But it also needs to be challenged when it appears. Second, factual error, Atheism has no doctrine or dogma. It is literally a reaction to religion. A-THEISM see, there it is. There is no doctrine, or dogma, or thou shalt or shalt nots. Atheists come in all sorts of ethical or unethical rigor, but what it isn't is a religion. There is no church we all attend, no moral code we all follow, no heaven, no hell. Religious people sometimes toss out that particular idea as a means of discrediting and ignoring the massive leaps of assumption present in any supernatural mythology, which asserts, unsurprisingly, you do it too. Same thing with the "angry atheist" meme. It's a means of dismissal, of drawing a parallel between the abuses of religion and pretending they are minimized because "everyone does it."

I hope you see the problem with that.

You view Hindu Gods, Greco-Roman Gods, and a myriad of others with the same atheism with which I view yours. I'll see you at the meeting. Bring your wallet.

You didn't show my supposed "inconsistencies" or anything else you said I did. You know that people can read what I wrote and see that what you said isn't true, right? And of course, I make arguments that can't be disagreed with; that's what a counterargument is supposed to do. Where exactly do I show I'm shocked? Your tone suggests you are the one surprised I responded to your last post. All you've done is make false assumptions and show yourself to be "Angry Atheist," you say, isn't real. Do you think I personally came up with the term "Angry Atheist?" This term has dogged Atheists way before I've been around. I've never understood this strangeness of people who don't believe in God (you can only be an agnostic because just like I can't emphatically prove a God, you can't disprove a God either) being so annoyed with people who believe in a God; it doesn't make rational sense, and to be honest, it's a little freaky. Now, if these same people who believe in a personal God push how they think and believe on others through action? Anger is entirely understandable. It's wrong, it's bad, you're right, and I would be the first to oppose it, as any Christ-follower who KNOWS what the Bible says would.


I won't bother reading what you wrote after your first paragraph because why would I? So we keep going at each other? I'm constantly diffusing the heat I'm not bringing in this porn palace.

I have a great idea. Instead of doing what you think you're doing with me? Why don't you take that fight you have and bring it to the anti-gay Christian, a Christian Nationalist, or any other type of Christian who is opposing you in some form? It's not like there's a shortage of them on social media who are itching to pick a fight, and you can get it off your chest with them.

I love you? That's what I also say to the husband when I don't want to fight anymore. But seriously brother, I don't want this to be a contentious to where it will bring animosity between us.

 

[Franco Verum]

The greatest people against the faith, sometimes are the greatest for it.

 

[TX-Beau]

You didn't show my supposed "inconsistencies" or anything else you said I did. You know that people can read what I wrote and see that what you said isn't true, right? And of course, I make arguments that can't be disagreed with; that's what a counterargument is supposed to do. Where exactly do I show I'm shocked? Your tone suggests you are the one surprised I responded to your last post. All you've done is make false assumptions and show yourself to be "Angry Atheist," you say, isn't real. Do you think I personally came up with the term "Angry Atheist?" This term has dogged Atheists way before I've been around. I've never understood this strangeness of people who don't believe in God (you can only be an agnostic because just like I can't emphatically prove a God, you can't disprove a God either) being so annoyed with people who believe in a God; it doesn't make rational sense, and to be honest, it's a little freaky. Now, if these same people who believe in a personal God push how they think and believe on others through action? Anger is entirely understandable. It's wrong, it's bad, you're right, and I would be the first to oppose it, as any Christ-follower who KNOWS what the Bible says would.


I won't bother reading what you wrote after your first paragraph because why would I? So we keep going at each other? I'm constantly diffusing the heat I'm not bringing in this porn palace.

I have a great idea. Instead of doing what you think you're doing with me? Why don't you take that fight you have and bring it to the anti-gay Christian, a Christian Nationalist, or any other type of Christian who is opposing you in some form? It's not like there's a shortage of them on social media who are itching to pick a fight, and you can get it off your chest with them.

I love you? That's what I also say to the husband when I don't want to fight anymore. But seriously brother, I don't want this to be a contentious to where it will bring animosity between us.

You refuse to address the point. This is an online discussion, not some personal dispute. No one is angry. I was very clear what I was objecting to, and if you want to talk about that, fine; the rest of this is just noise.

 

[TX-Beau]

The greatest people against the faith, sometimes are the greatest for it.

Whi is "against faith?" SPECIFICALLY.

 

[TX-Beau]

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[Text: Removed] You are not the first person who's discussed any of this. Your arguments are not original. I've had this conversation with many people over many years. You are not making me angry in any way. [Text: Removed]


This was my objection. [Text: Removed]

First, you haven't made anyone angry. My objection was to the false comparison you drew and then tried to justify. Lots of people do this. It's not new. But it also needs to be challenged when it appears. Second, factual error, Atheism has no doctrine or dogma. It is literally a reaction to religion. A-THEISM see, there it is. There is no doctrine, or dogma, or thou shalt or shalt nots. Atheists come in all sorts of ethical or unethical rigor, but what it isn't is a religion. There is no church we all attend, no moral code we all follow, no heaven, no hell. Religious people sometimes toss out that particular idea as a means of discrediting and ignoring the massive leaps of assumption present in any supernatural mythology [Text: Removed]. Same thing with the "angry atheist" meme. It's a means of dismissal, of drawing a parallel between the abuses of religion and pretending they are minimized because "everyone does it."

I hope you see the problem with that.

[Text: Removed]

 

[Franco Verum]

This is a jumble of logical discrepancies, what appears to be ignoring the point, what looks like a conflation of disparate things, justification, factual error, and what seems to be a statement one cannot be disagreed with. If you post on a public forum, don't act shocked that people respond.

First, you haven't made anyone angry. My objection was to the false comparison you drew and then tried to justify. Lots of people do this. It's not new. But it also needs to be challenged when it appears. Second, factual error, Atheism has no doctrine or dogma. It is literally a reaction to religion. A-THEISM see, there it is. There is no doctrine, or dogma, or thou shalt or shalt nots. Atheists come in all sorts of ethical or unethical rigor, but what it isn't is a religion. There is no church we all attend, no moral code we all follow, no heaven, no hell. Religious people sometimes toss out that particular idea as a means of discrediting and ignoring the massive leaps of assumption present in any supernatural mythology, which asserts, unsurprisingly, you do it too. Same thing with the "angry atheist" meme. It's a means of dismissal, of drawing a parallel between the abuses of religion and pretending they are minimized because "everyone does it."

I hope you see the problem with that.

You view Hindu Gods, Greco-Roman Gods, and a myriad of others with the same atheism with which I view yours. I'll see you at the meeting. Bring your wallet.

Since I have nothing to do, I'll continue this, only because the moderators decided to JUST NOW delete my comment to you after all this time, and no one wants to carry over your questions to me.

[Text: Removed] And let's be clear on one thing: what did you give here? Was really nothing to answer, and what you did give? I stopped bothering with answering years ago. I don't have an issue with God. I love God. The personal issue is with you because I say there is a God, so let's be clear about who has the personal issue and with what. Atheism runs the spectrum, just like Christianity does, but the commonality is that you agree there is no God; you don't need a building or get-together potlucks to have that core belief. After years of discussions with Atheists? [Text: Removed] When an Atheist like Hawkings debates a Christian, what does he give in the debate? His BELIEFS of why there is no God. Many Christians don't believe in Hell, and many people who call themselves Christians don't even believe in the divinity of Jesus, so [Text: Removed] Christians don't all go in the same box of believing the same thing.

See? This is the thing, Hindu Gods, or the pantheons of Gods that could be out there? They are still spiritual beings in a spiritual world. I just happen not to believe in those particular spiritual beings, but that doesn't put me on par with an Atheist because I still give credence to a spiritual world, whereas an Atheist doesn't, at all.
No Christian God, No Hindu God, No Allah. An Atheist is on their own with not believing in a spiritual world outside of themselves, while my Buddhist friend and I still have that commonality of believing in that world.