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The WWE Diva Thread

Did anyone hear what happened to Ashley Massaro?

Ashley Massaro suffered some sort of an implant injury at an event yesterday on WWE’s European tour. There should be more details on this coming out shortly

Credit :: Lords Of Pain

This can be life threatening, I really hope she gets through it OK :)
 
Did anyone hear what happened to Ashley Massaro?

Ashley Massaro suffered some sort of an implant injury at an event yesterday on WWE’s European tour. There should be more details on this coming out shortly

Credit :: Lords Of Pain

This can be life threatening, I really hope she gets through it OK :)

ya i heard about that shell be fine shes tough ;)
 
Candice Michelle suffered an injury while posing for a muscle mag.I know she hurt her leg,but to what extent I have no clue.
 
I can't wait for the Lita Vs Mickie match.

When Lita snapped on RAW, I was so happy. What she said was long overdue. And all she said was 100% true. Lita is so underappreciated. She has done so much. A lot more than Trish.


Too bad she's retiring. Hope she's happy. She deserves to be happy.

Mickie and Victoria are my favs. With Lita and Trish gone they seriously need to fire allt he Diva search trash that has come in. Ashley.. candice.. kristal.. etc. they all suck.

Mickie, Victoria, Melina, and Beth. Thats awesome right there. Now all WWE needs to do is call up some of the kick ass girls from OVW.
 
My current kick-ass WWE faves are

Jillian(Future Women's Champ I'm sure of it!)
Beth
Mickie
Melina
Ariel
Trinity

OVW/DSW faves
Serena
Angel Williams
Katie Leah(Katrina Waters.)
 
She has done so much. A lot more than Trish.

Not really nope. Just over 2 years over her career she was out due to injury's. Shes so sloppy in the ring and nearly landed flat on Trish twice in Trish's first ever title defence and that was when Lita was looked at as the best. They decided to push Trish more because she had more talent. Let's face it, Lita can barely make a Moonsault look credible, she landed right on Mickie's face and it was up to Lita to land it right since Mickie was blindfolded.

Lita is actually tooo over-rated and cannot sell a Dropkick either :)
 
Not really nope. Just over 2 years over her career she was out due to injury's. Shes so sloppy in the ring and nearly landed flat on Trish twice in Trish's first ever title defence and that was when Lita was looked at as the best. They decided to push Trish more because she had more talent. Let's face it, Lita can barely make a Moonsault look credible, she landed right on Mickie's face and it was up to Lita to land it right since Mickie was blindfolded.

Lita is actually tooo over-rated and cannot sell a Dropkick either :)

Nope. Sorry but you couldn't possibly be more wrong.

I guess you're another noob wrestling fan who's hopped onto the bandwaggon of mislead marks.
 
Well now hold on. I think it's a matter of opinion who's better between Trish and Lita. Personally, I agree with the poster above you, and I've been a faithful WWE (then WWF) fan since 1997. Personally, I think Trish Stratus brought the Women's Division to an entirely new level...but if we want to be technical, I think Sable was one of the biggest pioneers. She was there at the height of the WWF's popularity and although she wasn't the best in the ring, she was definitely one of the biggest things ever to hit women's wrestling. She's even the reason the Women's Championship came back in the first place.

I think of Lita just as a transition from Sable to Trish. The only reason Lita was so big at the time is because she could do a moonsault, and that was a really uncommon thing for the viewers to see at the time, seeing a woman pull off a move like that. Just because of that, she was immediately elevated to a high status on TV and with the fans. I almost think of her as a one trick pony though, because she didn't have a whole lot else going on besides the moonsault, IMO.

Trish was and still is the total package. She came from being completely abysmal in the ring and worked her way up to where she is today. Besides that, she became the poster girl for the Divas and helped sell countless magazines and DVDs. I'd say Trish made a much bigger impact than Lita any day.


I can see where you are coming from. But what you have to realize is that before Lita, nobody was really inrested in the womens division. It wasn't until they saw Lita.. that made people intrested in what women can do. Lita was amazing right off the bat. She offered a different beauty other than the fake blonde bimbo version you normally saw in WWE.

By the way.. I have been a loyal fan since 1990 so I know where Im coming from. I also been able to see women wrestle from even before then.. so I know what Im talking about.

If it werent for Lita.. there would be no division for Trish to even be in. It was the Lita/Trish fued that put her on the map.

I totally think that Trish was amazing, and she DID carry the division for a LONG time.

But it was LITA who changed the way a WWE "Diva" should perform. She proved that she was more than just a pretty face. If it wasnt for Lita...the WWE wouldnt have even let Trish take the time to improve and become a wrestler.

Im not trying to hate on Trish.. because I love her just as much as I love Lita.

And no she isnt the reason the womens belt came back. Nope. Thats very wrong. Trish made the womens title lose meaning.. with all the undeserving meaningless title reigns.

And it wasnt just the fact that she could do moonsaults. She could do Litacanranas.. AND mix it up with the guys. She took things NONE of the women could take. People connected with Lita. Up until that loser Matt Hardy went public with that affair to remind people that he was even alive. And WWE decided to take that and that let to them reuining her reputation. All in all, people know what Lita accomplished.. some people are just noob wrestling fans and decided to hope on the "Lets hate lita bcuz matt hardy does" bullshit waggon.

Oh and all respect to Chyna too. heh. Even though she scared the living shit outta me.
 
I can see where you are coming from. But what you have to realize is that before Lita, nobody was really inrested in the womens division. It wasn't until they saw Lita.. that made people intrested in what women can do. Lita was amazing right off the bat. She offered a different beauty other than the fake blonde bimbo version you normally saw in WWE.

By the way.. I have been a loyal fan since 1990 so I know where Im coming from. I also been able to see women wrestle from even before then.. so I know what Im talking about.

If it werent for Lita.. there would be no division for Trish to even be in. It was the Lita/Trish fued that put her on the map.

I totally think that Trish was amazing, and she DID carry the division for a LONG time.

But it was LITA who changed the way a WWE "Diva" should perform. She proved that she was more than just a pretty face. If it wasnt for Lita...the WWE wouldnt have even let Trish take the time to improve and become a wrestler.

Im not trying to hate on Trish.. because I love her just as much as I love Lita.

And no she isnt the reason the womens belt came back. Nope. Thats very wrong. Trish made the womens title lose meaning.. with all the undeserving meaningless title reigns.

And it wasnt just the fact that she could do moonsaults. She could do Litacanranas.. AND mix it up with the guys. She took things NONE of the women could take. People connected with Lita. Up until that loser Matt Hardy went public with that affair to remind people that he was even alive. And WWE decided to take that and that let to them reuining her reputation. All in all, people know what Lita accomplished.. some people are just noob wrestling fans and decided to hope on the "Lets hate lita bcuz matt hardy does" bullshit waggon.

Oh and all respect to Chyna too. heh. Even though she scared the living shit outta me.

WTF :mad: Trish never made the womens tittle lose its meaning and never had undeserving tittle reigns! How were they undeserving? Just because Trish has more tittle reigns than Lita!

Jordy03 is right Lita is a one trick pony with her "Lita"canranas and thats it! So she mixed it up with the boys, she wasnt the first to do it. Chyna and Jazz were the ones truly going toe to toe with guys and actually being sucessful at it.

As for everyone hating Lita for the whole Matt Hardy situation, its not true. They didnt hate her for what she did they hated her because she was a good heel. Lita and Trish are both great heels and thats why the public react. The public didnt hate her for what she did they just realize that shes a dirty hoe.

We all have different opinions about thse two wrestlers but at the end Trish will be in the Hall of Fame and not Lita.
 
Nope. Sorry but you couldn't possibly be more wrong.

I guess you're another noob wrestling fan who's hopped onto the bandwaggon of mislead marks.


Nope, just because you cannot think of an argument to support Lita.

Trish won at SS 01, which Lita was in too, they gave Trish the belt
Jazz retained at WM in 2002, if they wanted Lita to have the title they would have given her it then.
Lita got injured and was out, she comes back and gets to feud with Molly for the title, they end up pushing Victoria over Lita to get the belt. At Bad Blood 05, Trish regains it over Lita, Gail and Victoria. Trish holds it for 6 months untill they FINALLY have Lita win it off her. Lita looses it to Trish due to injury when Lita should have kept it to WM 21 and Trish would have won it back.

Trish was great on her own, Trish would have been pushed over Lita because she was the total package, she had looks, talent and she could SELL. Trish could sell better than Lita back in 2000. And Trish did not look like a man :)

And I am not a Noob Wrestling Fan, It's clear who is the more talented.
 
Nope, just because you cannot think of an argument to support Lita.

Trish won at SS 01, which Lita was in too, they gave Trish the belt
Jazz retained at WM in 2002, if they wanted Lita to have the title they would have given her it then.
Lita got injured and was out, she comes back and gets to feud with Molly for the title, they end up pushing Victoria over Lita to get the belt. At Bad Blood 05, Trish regains it over Lita, Gail and Victoria. Trish holds it for 6 months untill they FINALLY have Lita win it off her. Lita looses it to Trish due to injury when Lita should have kept it to WM 21 and Trish would have won it back.

Trish was great on her own, Trish would have been pushed over Lita because she was the total package, she had looks, talent and she could SELL. Trish could sell better than Lita back in 2000. And Trish did not look like a man :)

And I am not a Noob Wrestling Fan, It's clear who is the more talented.

Um. k.

Titles are GIVEN... not earned.

Lita didn't need the title seeing as she was already WAYY over with the fans. They didnt need to prove that Lita was good. Everybody already knew it.
 
Then why did they give Mickie the belt at WM22 she was more over than any Diva at the time.

And the reason why Lita was not given the title on her return on 03, was (suprise suprise) her ring work was not up to scratch. It was even confirmed on several Lita fansite.
 
Even though I am not a fan of Lita, what the WWE did last night when Cryme Tyme came out was just harsh, she did not deserve a retirement like that.

Which brings me to the fact maybe it's not her final retirement, I would not be suprised if she returns in a year or so.
 
I heard that Lita will go to TNA because of their lighter travel schedule. Right now she wants to focus on her band and if she goes to TNA she can wrestle and be in her band. Hey you never know she might go to TNA and they might make a womens belt.

TNA has an impressive womens roster which include Gail Kim, Christy Hemme, Jackie, Tracy Brooks, and SoCal Val so I wouldnt be suprised if they created their own Womens Championship
 
I agree.

The treatment she got after her match was rude and uncalled for.

WWE is actually getting LOTS of hate mail. And nasty phone calls. Apprently not too many people are happy with her ending.
 
I would like to start off by saying that the following is a expression of my opinion.

I hate Lita.If that offends you I am sorry,but I just don't like never have.I've been watching wrestling since 1996 and I have seen alot when it comes to women's professional wrestling.

Trish Stratus is one of the few women to say that they revolutionized wrestling.Why You ask?

Most Reigns as WWE Women's Championship-7

Held a title usually held by a man-Hardcore Champion

Trish's sixth title reign was significant in that she won the title at a pay-per-view(New year's revolution) and retained the title a year later at the same event.

Holds the record for the shortest tile defense-3 seconds against Nidia

Undefeated At the following pay-per-views-New Year's Revolution,Unforgiven,and Taboo Tuesday

Voted Babe of the Year 3 times consecutively

Voted Pro Wrestling Illustrated's Woman of the year in 2002,2003,and 2005.

Proclaimed Diva of the decade at the WWE RAW X Anniversary Show

Trish will be remembered as one of the biggest in the wrestling industry.She has shown that women can be beautiful and lethal at the the same time.Trish spent alot of her time as a fan favorite.While Lita tarnished her image by becoming the epiphany of a slut and showing even less skill in the ring over the years(Sorry if this offends anyone.)
 
I'd first like to start off by saying that I'm HEAVILY biased in favor of Lita. I've never liked Trish and still don't. I will, however, try to stay as objective as possible when writing this.

I see this debate coming down to two things:

Wrestling/In-Ring Ability
Marketability

Wrestling/In-Ring Ability
In Lita's debut appearance on Sunday Night Heat, she blasted off a moonsault after Essa Rios had won the Light Heavyweight Title Belt. This completely shocked the wrestling world as, up until that point, there hadn't been much going on in the women's division (to my knowledge which, I'll admit, is limited). In her early feud with Chyna, it's my opinion that WWF underplayed her wrestling ability, as she was supposed to be seen as weak and "scared" of Chyna. This was kind of paradoxical in that she was hitting masterful moves on men and was scared of Chyna. Lita then, as we all know, transferred to be part of Team Xtreme with the Hardyz. Soon, Trish came on the scene as manager for T&A and the rivalry was born.
If we're talking about who revolutionized women's wrestling in the actual wrestling aspect, it's clear that it is Lita. As has been said by the Stratus fans previously, Trish took time to improve. The "two-trick" (Litacanrana and Moonsault) pony raised the bar that women had to meet. I actually think that Chyna should've have been the initiator, but there's just no way to market that dominant of a female among the rather pathetic women's division, which is why she was in a class with the men (the only woman to hold the Intercontinental Championship, etc...). Anyways, I believe that, because WWF/E (not sure which at the time) wanted to continue the Lita/Trish feud at a higher level, they mandated Trish's improvement from the measly in-ring ability to what it became.
I'll admit that Lita's injuries and on-screen roles have drastically affected her in-ring ability, for the worse. At the end of the feud (Trish's retirement match), Trish was the better wrestler. However, Lita was the "in-ring master" from early on. In my opinion, this is what made the feud so enjoyable: In-ring skills vs. Deceptive tactics that would lead up to the two best female wrestlers on the roster (up until their "retirements").

Winner: Lita


Marketability
At Lita's debut, and throughout the beginning stages of her career, it was pretty clear (at least in my opinion) that WWF was planning to market her as a wrestler, and not just a pretty face. They had her 'face' role planned out.
When Trish arrived, the plan was to market her as a heel. She was stunningly beautiful (not the Lita isn't), which made it easier to throw in the sterotype that hot women are deceptive. She was marketed as having not much in-ring ability (whether she did or not) and as being one of the 'cheating' wrestlers that attacks people from behind and whatnot.
Lita was really pushed as a face and a crowd favorite during her ordeal with Stephanie, which culminated in her first Women's championship. That feud is overshadowed, however, in my opinion, by the Trish Stratus/Stephanie feud in which there was the "Trish is Vince's girlfriend" and "HHH shows Trish some moves" storylines, which led to the "divorce" of WWF/E's power couple, definitely a better marketing ploy.
Lita's injuries opened the door for a new 'face' and Trish was pushed by the WWE as kind of a bad girl gone good aspect. This is when she went through her in-ring makeover and skyrocketed in popularity. This is when Trish started most of her 6-championship journey (the 7th time was at the end, so it's not technically on the journey). When Lita returned, she did so as the 'face' she left as, actually 'saving' Trish from Molly and Gail, but another Lita injury took her out shortly after. When Lita returned the next time, Trish was so popular that, if Lita were to become a significant player at all, WWE had no choice, in my opinion, than to make her a 'heel' which they definitely outdid themselves in creating.
I'm not trying to say that Lita's injuries were the only reason that Trish became the star she is, but it did help. I'm pretty sure that Trish would have gotten the same type of push because she was more easily marketable in her storylines (Could you imagine if Lita had been the one involved in the HHH/Stephanie fiasco?).

Winner: Trish


Now, a comment was made to the effect of "That's why Trish will be in the Hall of Fame and Lita won't."
I'd just like to say that, despite my hatred for her, I agree; Trish will be in the Hall of Fame some day. She really became the face of women's wrestling in the past few years. I really think that they pushed her last title shot as the 7-time champion label has a good stigma attached to it. Will Lita be in the Hall of Fame? I believe she will be, but not as of now. I'm almost positive that we'll see another Lita return soon; I really don't think that they would want the future hall-of-famer to end on such a low note. When she comes back, they'll probably push her as a 'face' after the Mickie James inflammation is cleared up (can't stand her either).
In all honesty, I think that the women's division hasn't produced many Hall-of-Fame material wrestlers, so there's really no competition for it. In recent times (so I'm not going back to the Fabulous Moolah (though she's already a Hall-of-Famer isn't she?)) there's the following that strike me: Lita, Trish, Chyna. It's pretty sad, but as I sit here trying to think of others, none come to mind.


Just a quick wrap up. All-in-all, I'm not going to preach about who is better: Trish or Lita. My opinion, as was derived from my first sentence, is obviously Lita. As was explained above I think Lita beat out Trish in the actual wrestling category, as her early career was enough to best Trish's ending push. However, Trish's marketability is definitely on top. As was stated before, she sells.

Nice to see some actual discussion on wrestling on this board other than "Any one have any pics of Randy Orton's cock?!?!?!:confused: :confused: :confused: "

-margo
 
I guess I should've better qualified my assessment of future Hall-of-Famers. I first saw wrestling when I was young. The only thing I remember was Chyna coming to the ring and beating down some men, back when she, herself, looked like a man. I actually started watching wrestling just a few months before Lita came onto the scene; her and the Hardyz were the reasons I stayed (though I did like Stephanie, I'll admit it). Since then I've had streaks where I watch it a lot and then I don't. For example, when Lita injured her neck and became the Sunday Night Heat announcer, I stayed on for about two weeks and then stopped watching altogether. I missed Lita's return but watched it here and there for a while. It's only been as of late that I'm actually watching from week to week (though, only Raw, as I don't particularly care for Smackdown...all of the storylines are there and I just don't want to do the work of learning them, plus it's Friday night...).

Anyways, what this rambling about my watching habits is meant to conclude at is the fact that I'm not familiar with women's wrestling from earlier on. I've only seen Sable on a wrestling telecast once in a Diva swimsuit competition, so I really can't offer any opinion on her Hall-of-Fame-worthiness. Here's to hoping that Lita makes it, even just for the sheer fact that the rivalry with Trish elevated women's wrestling entertainment. I just realized now that, out of the women I listed as future Hall-of-Famers and that you agreed on (Trish and Chyna), Lita was the competitor against both in their final matches; maybe that shows something about her importance. I mean, they wouldn't have had Trish's last match be against Maria...

-margo
 
Oh good God, another Lita/Trish debate. I don't get why people feel the need to compare the two together and put one higher on a pedastal than the other. In my opinion, neither woman is better than the other. Both blow spots in the ring, both sell just as much merchandise to merit their top spots given to them by an entertainment company, and both have enough in-ring ability to be "showcased" as wrestlers.

I will point out something above though. It wasn't Trish Stratus that revoluntionized women's wrestling. WWE has marketed her as such, but it's actually nothing more than a marketing ploy. It has been stated by people that actually worked with both women (Nora Greenwald a.k.a. Molly Holly) that Trish Stratus did not revoluntionize anything. In a recent interview, Nora credits Lita for opening all the doors for females in the WWE (excluding females the size of Chyna), and credits Trish for carrying on what Lita created.

In my own personal opinion, I don't think Trish's in-ring ability did anything for women's wrestling. I think Trish's marketability was used to draw attention to the talent of divas like Molly, Victoria, Jazz, Ivory, and Gail Kim. They knew those girls had talent but they weren't going to get the attention of their audience. Trish had the right "look" to get that attention and enough ability to pull off looking credible with the real talent they had hired. Her popularity (I don't think) ever quite reached the fandom level of Lita's (I don't remember Trish getting any chants beyond puppies, honestly but I might be wrong) and she was rarely used in the spotlight outside of the Women's Division.

As for Lita's in-ring ability doing anything for the division? I think the fact she could pull off aerial moves well enough did something to revolutionize women's roles in the sports-entertainment. But she didn't do those moves much against females and instead her marketability was used to get attention on people like Ivory and Jacqueline, who couldn't draw a reaction from the crowd otherwise. Lita was good enough to carry a green Trish Stratus, Stephanie McMahon, and Stacy Keibler but beyond that, she was only good enough to keep up with girls like Molly, Ivory, Victoria, Jazz, and Gail Kim. But her popularity speaks volumes. She's the only female to be included in the only two all-female RAW main-events (winning the Women's Title over Stephanie McMahon and over Trish Stratus).

In the end, both women will be in the WWE Hall of Fame. Trish Stratus is their "Golden Girl" with the most title reigns (the majority of which were defaulted to her due to lack of competition) and Lita is their "Extreme Diva" (something they still push on their merchandise for her). In 20 years (maybe even less) both women will be highlighted as Hall of Famers, with WWE showcasing them in their primes. Other than them: Miss Elizabeth will definitely be in the Hall of Fame. Sable and Chyna are iffy due to their departures from the company not being as professional as Trish and Lita's.
 
Oh good God, another Lita/Trish debate. I don't get why people feel the need to compare the two together and put one higher on a pedastal than the other. In my opinion, neither woman is better than the other. Both blow spots in the ring, both sell just as much merchandise to merit their top spots given to them by an entertainment company, and both have enough in-ring ability to be "showcased" as wrestlers.

I will point out something above though. It wasn't Trish Stratus that revoluntionized women's wrestling. WWE has marketed her as such, but it's actually nothing more than a marketing ploy. It has been stated by people that actually worked with both women (Nora Greenwald a.k.a. Molly Holly) that Trish Stratus did not revoluntionize anything. In a recent interview, Nora credits Lita for opening all the doors for females in the WWE (excluding females the size of Chyna), and credits Trish for carrying on what Lita created.

In my own personal opinion, I don't think Trish's in-ring ability did anything for women's wrestling. I think Trish's marketability was used to draw attention to the talent of divas like Molly, Victoria, Jazz, Ivory, and Gail Kim. They knew those girls had talent but they weren't going to get the attention of their audience. Trish had the right "look" to get that attention and enough ability to pull off looking credible with the real talent they had hired. Her popularity (I don't think) ever quite reached the fandom level of Lita's (I don't remember Trish getting any chants beyond puppies, honestly but I might be wrong) and she was rarely used in the spotlight outside of the Women's Division.

As for Lita's in-ring ability doing anything for the division? I think the fact she could pull off aerial moves well enough did something to revolutionize women's roles in the sports-entertainment. But she didn't do those moves much against females and instead her marketability was used to get attention on people like Ivory and Jacqueline, who couldn't draw a reaction from the crowd otherwise. Lita was good enough to carry a green Trish Stratus, Stephanie McMahon, and Stacy Keibler but beyond that, she was only good enough to keep up with girls like Molly, Ivory, Victoria, Jazz, and Gail Kim. But her popularity speaks volumes. She's the only female to be included in the only two all-female RAW main-events (winning the Women's Title over Stephanie McMahon and over Trish Stratus).

In the end, both women will be in the WWE Hall of Fame. Trish Stratus is their "Golden Girl" with the most title reigns (the majority of which were defaulted to her due to lack of competition) and Lita is their "Extreme Diva" (something they still push on their merchandise for her). In 20 years (maybe even less) both women will be highlighted as Hall of Famers, with WWE showcasing them in their primes. Other than them: Miss Elizabeth will definitely be in the Hall of Fame. Sable and Chyna are iffy due to their departures from the company not being as professional as Trish and Lita's.


True Trish will probably be in the Hall Of Fame this year . She will probably come to Wrestlemania 23.
 
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