There is a part of my life that is so repulsive and dark

[-live-]

well it seems to me like hes not quite comfortable with himself, and i dont think that should be mocked or punished for. You might be have the perfect life (which im hoping you do as you seem to think you can judge people) but it seems he doesnt so he doesnt deserve to loose everything at all.

 

[1st love ron]

and apologised for it and accepted he was wrong. so if your saying hes sined then hes forgiven so why should he pay anymore for it.

You are right. He's going to pay for his "sin" of homosexuality in hell just like the rest of us, so I guess I can let it go. How do I know this? These people preach that bilge, that's how.

 

[belamy]

There should be a popcorn post/thread icon for these occasions.

 

[-live-]

You are right. He's going to pay for his "sin" of homosexuality in hell just like the rest of us, so I guess I can let it go. How do I know this? These people preach that bilge, that's how.

no seeing as a gay chirstian wouldnt go to hell in the first place, you shouldnt really bring christianity in this if your only going to bother listening to the people who decide to hate chirstianity.

 

[sixthson]

What amazes me is that he should go into the ministry when he has had a "lifetime struggle with this sin". He knows better than anyone that homosexuality disqualifies him from pastoring an evangelical church. These people who hide this part of their lives also seem angrier than anyone else, hence all the attacks against gays. You would think it might make them more sympathetic.
When I came out to my pastor, he was shocked and then told me I could no longer serve in the church in anyway, but I was still 'welcome' to attend. Yeah, right. Because I was gay, I was not worthy to be involved with the food shelf program for the poor. I wonder if those who needed that service would care if I loved a man or not?
As an aside, I think these mega churches like his have serious problems as it is. Usually the senior pastor is a "star" with a major ego who is accountable to no one. I've never heard of the man or his church. Now everyone knows him...fame's a bitch!

 

[Swellegant]

I find I must amend my earlier statement. I do feel sorry for the man because of the hate he feels for himself. I really wouldn't wish that on anyone. But I also take issue with him because he is not admitting the fallacy of trying to fight your own sexuality, he's instead blaming his inability to fight against the temptation of his sexuality.

His reaction, so far, is a bad example to people in similar situations. He has upheld the hatefulness of his teachings and debased himself and his desires as evil, "repulsive and dark." In so doing, he makes it that much harder for the other closeted terrorized men and women in his world. They're sitting there in those daft megachurches with their palms stretched up while they sing and pray at the tops of their voices, hoping to be relieved by God of a condition given them by God, and struggling so hard against it... and then they see what happens when someone finds out that you've slipped, and they just keep trying and praying and singing even harder. It's terrible!

You have to think of the impact a lot of this Outing has... on the one hand, we have Hollywood people coming out, which makes it easier for some to see that it's not all that big a deal; but on the other hand, we have government and Evangelical individuals getting outed and covering themselves in shame... and not because their particular actions are shameful and tacky, but because they still think their homosexuality is shameful.

And that makes it harder for people to come out, because they see these men's lives being destroyed. They aren't seeing that they shouldn't have lied in the first place, they're seeing only what happens when they get caught out. Who would want to come out of the closet if that's what they had to look forward to?

I hope that this poor creature can find some better way of reconciling himself to God; and that when he does so, he is public about it. However, I doubt that will happen. The Evangelicals will brush the whole thing up under the rug and keep on spouting Hate in the name of God, because that's where their income-base lies.

 

[BenF]

You shouldnt really bring christianity in this if your only going to bother listening to the people who decide to hate chirstianity.

Erm...the Xtianity is pretty central to the story, dear. He was using his position as a christian pastor to spread his hatred and bile towards gays.

Personally, I don't hate Christianity any more than I hate any other cult - I have about as much interest in religion as I do in, say, dressage or macrame.

What I hate, however, are liars, bigots and overall hypocrits.

 

[-live-]

and he most likely did that to hide his own feelings. maybe not the best idea but not one to critise himself for.

 

[Soilwork]

s3bbl3s (why do people choose unpronouceable and unmemorable names?)

You say he hasn't done anything to us.

Bullshit.

He's helped further some extrememly damaging anti-gay legistlation in the US, he's preached anti-gay hate for years to thousands of people and has hurt countles young gay men in his ministry by spouting his hypicrisy.

He HASN'T appologized at all.. he's said he's sorry for being gay... not that he's sorry for the hurt he's caused.

He's continued to say that this is a horrible thing and that he wants to be cured. He's said that he's going to continue to hurt the gay community.

He's a horrible man and a rotten, evil person on the inside and I hope he rots.

I hope his family throws him into the gutter and I hope he experiences all the pain that he's caused and CONTINUES to cause other people ten fold.

You only get forgiven when you admit you were wrong, and he hasn't done that.

 

[DarkNeko]

The fact is, I am guilty of sexual immorality

Well, fuck you Ted Haggard

 

[-live-]

(its a name dont worry about it)

well still im not saying what hes done. Are you any worse of becaus eof what he said?

Yeah and liek i keep saying hes not comfortable with who he is, so its quite obvious hes not taking it quite well. And when people on here arnt happy people dont usaully critise them for it. why start doing that now?

 

[Soilwork]

Are you any worse of becaus eof what he said?

Well actually, yes.

his coming out and saying that he's guilty of sexual immorality and his characterization of being a victim of his evil thoughts has furthered anti-gay sentiment even further.

I'm worse off because he's fought to help pass anti-gay lesislation which hurts MY FAMILY.

Yeah and liek i keep saying hes not comfortable with who he is, so its quite obvious hes not taking it quite well. And when people on here arnt happy people dont usaully critise them for it. why start doing that now?

well... because he's caused SO much damage to the gay community and he continues to do it.

If he comes here for help.. sure.. maybe I'll think of forgiving him.

Until then, I hope he dies friendless, penniless and without the support of a family.

 

[-live-]

Well you say hes doing damage to the gay community,

and with comments like that

Until then, I hope he dies friendless, penniless and without the support of a family.

no wonder he said hes against gays.

 

[kornpone]

Enough of all this trashing of Pastor Ted from the gay point of view. Click on the link to see what America's best Christian, Mrs. Betty Bowers, has to say on the matter:

http://www.bettybowers.com/nl_nov2006.html

From a true Christian standpoint, of course.

 

[cocktales]

Oh boy, there's a part of me that's happy that he got caught; and happy because he's only sorry "because he got outted by someone"!!

I truly "know" that if he had not be caught, he would never have admitted to anything and he would continue his "on-the-side" ways!!

To me, these kind of people are the worst kind of deviants! Yes, deviants! For a "normal" gay man would NOT hide behind the "collar" of a clergy-man, and preach to the masses about the wrongful ways of the homosexuals!

AARRGGHH! The more I think about this situation and all other's where the man is caught........NOT openly disclosing his sexuality; but truly outted by someone or some thing and this person, cries and promises his all to be forgiven for his wrond-doings!!

I canNOT say anymore right now......I am too up-tight about this!

 

[-live-]

well im sorry but i seriously cannot belive that this guy has damaged the gay cumnnity as much as your trying to make out. And the fact that he got outed by someone when he didnt want to be outed i dont think that should happen to anyone. who was the person who outed him?

plus i wouldnt exactly try to put him in the same group as hitler, i mean the fact you like to watch someones downfall and misery is more hitler like.

 

[-live-]

and now i defently would rather agree with Ted, id be happy that i was against same sex if one decided to out me.

 

[-live-]

No i dont think i am homophobic at all so nothing to fix, im a male by the way. But I can understand how this guy is thinking, ive said this already but,

I understand why hes against it because hes probably not sure with himself.

And do you really think hes going to like the fact being gay at all, when a gay decided to out him.

Someone said before that the perosn who did out him did it because he found out he was against gay marriage and all that, doesnt sound like a good enough excuse to me. im against gay marriage doesnt mean i should be outed becasue of it. Noone should out someone, for any reason, its not anyones else business unless the perosn who is gay wants it to be.

This Ted guy has obviosuly been going through a hard time with his sexuality and along with his religion (which im not insulting at all) has put alot of pressure on him, so you shouldnt really judge the guy as he doesnt deserve it at all.

p.s. the person in my avi isnt me if thats why you didnt know i was a guy

 

[Soilwork]

What a great letter by Ted. It takes a lot of balls to write something like that. I'm proud of him and I wish his family the best.

-

Why am I not surprised that our resident self-hating homo is on side with Ted Harrart?

I mean, even the bottom feeders of our community need a role model, I guess.

I wish his family the best too.. the best lawyer who can ruin him and leave him destitute and alone.

Hope he loses it ALL.

But I won't go so far as to say "I hope he eats a bullet". I mean, I'm not a totally heartles person.

 

[Soilwork]

im against gay marriage doesnt mean i should be outed becasue of it.

and I think it does.

Anyone who works agaisnt my rights, gay or not, is going to have to be prepared for me to use whatever weapon I have. I'll out them to their families, I'll expose any hypocrisy of theirs and I'll gleefully ruin their lives as they attempted to stomp all over mine.

Sorry, but the gay community is under attack, and we'll defend ourselves any way we can.