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Think of Jihadis' WRONGS not their civil rights

Rolyo85 said:
"Us" are the people who are interested in justice instead of vendetta. And no, it is NOT about the victims. I did read the article. Get lost.
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the entire article is about focusing on the victims killed that day and those adversely impacted then and for years following - first responders and their families

of the enormity of the tragedy perpetrated by KSM

upon the VICTIMS

i'd tell u to read it again but thickness is as thickness does
 
You spew words, and no meaning. Nothing of what you say changes the fact that what you want boils down to "kill him with fire! no trial! burn the infidel!"

Or will you actually be constructive and maybe say how the victims have been neglected and how ANYTHING in this trial has to do with a change in their well being?

Yeah, I thought so. In your own words - crickets.
 
chance1 said:
the entire article is about focusing on the victims killed that day and those adversely impacted then and for years following - first responders and their families

of the enormity of the tragedy perpetrated by KSM

upon the VICTIMS
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Chance, at some point we MUST focus on the facts of the case and how to successfully prosecute this monster within the construct of the justice system. It's been 10 years and I doubt ANY of us has ever forgotten the victims of that horrific day or what it did to the spirit of our country. It's time though, that we put emotion to the side and focus on a successful and airtight prosecution, whatever that takes and even if it looks as though we're coddling the defendant at any given moment. No mistakes can be made that may open the door to an appeal down the road and, while I feel for Mr. Reeg, I think he has it wrong in this instance. We remember the victims and we feel for their pain (and ours) and always will, but that can't cloud the process and shouldn't.
 
LuvFindsAndyHardy said:
Chance, at some point we MUST focus on the facts of the case and how to successfully prosecute this monster within the construct of the justice system. It's been 10 years and I doubt ANY of us has ever forgotten the victims of that horrific day or what it did to the spirit of our country. It's time though, that we put emotion to the side and focus on a successful and airtight prosecution, whatever that takes and even if it looks as though we're coddling the defendant at any given moment. No mistakes can be made that may open the door to an appeal down the road and, while I feel for Mr. Reeg, I think he has it wrong in this instance. We remember the victims and we feel for their pain (and ours) and always will, but that can't cloud the process and shouldn't.
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not sure why at all you're arguing

i want the guy to get his just desserts - period

no coddling

none required

can't put emotion aside my friend - you can if u like - but i will never

it happened here

and too many like mr. reeg so simply states ........ focus on the wrong thing

we're not in full disagreement at all

you're a reasonable fellow - i know that
 
Rolyo85 said:
You spew words, and no meaning. Nothing of what you say changes the fact that what you want boils down to "kill him with fire! no trial! burn the infidel!"

Or will you actually be constructive and maybe say how the victims have been neglected and how ANYTHING in this trial has to do with a change in their well being?

Yeah, I thought so. In your own words - crickets.
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you keep typing and nothing comes out - frustrating for u i imagine - definitely for "us"

and you're not from here and honestly know nothing about 911

and care nothing about it - that's clear

i think you're on your way for another sit in the corner

that's my take
 
chance1 said:
can't put emotion aside my friend - you can if u like - but i will never
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No, I honestly HAVEN'T been able to put the emotion aside, which is why NEITHER of us would be welcome to sit on that jury (nor SHOULD we!)

But Mr Reeg is wrong, they are focusing on a successful and airtight prosecution which they MUST do.
 
Rolyo85 said:
Ah, yes, I'm a foreigner. I was waiting for you to play that card. Took you long enough. At least I can actually remember when it happened. What were you - 7 years old at the time?
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it's not a "card"

and it's not a game
 
Personally I think that those who do not respect the individual rights of others do not deserve them, themselves. If you are a terrorist then your freedom and rights meets their end.
 
Chance - so how old were you on 9/11 again?

Mariatenebre - you do realize of course that you're using the EXACT same logic that led to 9/11 in the first place, right? I mean, the moment those Capitalist infidels went against the true God, their right to live met its end. Right?

Right?
 
loki81 said:
I see no chance that such actions would inspire Muslims around the world to hate us and feel even more strongly that violence is their only option.
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Personally I think that boiling terrorists in pig fat would serve as a strong reminder to those Muslim terrorists who would go against us. It is the equivalent of the old warrior kings and queens having heads of their enemies on spikes. Muslims would know that if they went up against us it would mean damnation. Which if any Muslim terrorist would go against us we would just kill all the terrorists who go against us. The only thing these savages understand is violence. They view any form of compromise as a weakness. Hell it is their desire to become a shahid any way and get virgins in paradise.
Rolyo85 said:
Chance - so how old were you on 9/11 again?

Mariatenebre - you do realize of course that you're using the EXACT same logic that led to 9/11 in the first place, right? I mean, the moment those Capitalist infidels went against the true God, their right to live met its end. Right?

Right?
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The logic is not the same. Individual rights mean that one has the right not to worship or like any leader be it celestial or terrestrial that they see fit. We have the right to dislike their god and not follow him just like they have a right to dislike our Gods and philosophies. The difference is that they want to kill us like any thug because their religion tells them not to respect the rights of those that disagree with them. We do not want to kill them for their backward beliefs but they certainly want to kill us. We respect individual rights and they don't so their individual rights shouldn't be respected.
 
Soooo, wait, we respect individual rights, but only if they are OUR individual rights? It doesn't count if it's foreigners with different beliefs? And how is that different from their worldview again?
 
Rolyo85 said:
"Us" are the people who are interested in justice instead of vendetta. And no, it is NOT about the victims. I did read the article. Get lost.
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I read it, too. As an advocacy piece, I give it a C.

The victims' families by now have regular lives, frequently on the wealthy side from all the largesse dropped on them. The comrades in arms of the terrorists remain rats in the maze called Guantanamo, subject to the whims of their keepers. Gitmo is supposed to be closed, but . . . .

It's a tangle. Even so, we have to stick to human rights on both sides.
 
Rolyo85 said:
Soooo, wait, we respect individual rights, but only if they are OUR individual rights? It doesn't count if it's foreigners with different beliefs? And how is that different from their worldview again?
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No foreigners or anyone with a barbaric standard of belief that does not respect universal human and individual rights does not deserve respect. Universal individual rights is a objective standard of belief with clear values and rules. Those nations and barbaric belief systems that do not respect our rights to religious freedom and that includes not obeying their god and who wish to kill us over this idea do not deserve their rights to be respected.
 
Rolyo85 said:
Soooo, wait, we respect individual rights, but only if they are OUR individual rights? It doesn't count if it's foreigners with different beliefs? And how is that different from their worldview again?
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Not quite what she said -- her point is that once they'd dissed individual rights, we have no obligation any longer to respect theirs. It's legitimate contract theory, really -- they violated the contract, thus setting new rules, so we are quite right if we decide to use the rules they established. By their rules, we would be quite within our rights to take a bunch of airliners ready for retirement, load them with explosives, and slam them into various buildings in Muslim countries. Given that, being a little creative with questioning is nothing.
 
To translate - you "know" for a fact your beliefs are "universal" and therefore the only possible correct ones.

So do the people responsible for 9/11

Furthermore, you believe that anyone who doesn't share them, does not deserve the benefit of those "universal" rights (aren't you contradicting yourself right now? Don't answer, it's a rhetorical question).

So do the people responsible for 9/11

You think that because someone disrespected your beliefs and attacked you, you are justified to ignore all your supposedly "universal" beliefs and lash out in retaliation in the harshest way possible.

So do... no, wait, the people responsible for 9/11 are actually not hypocrites...
 
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