Thinking of Getting into the Adult Industry?

[MorrisseyX]

So if porn is such a blood money industry, that puts blood on your hands for patronizing porn, looking at porn, and being on a website devoted to porn.

I never said people should not do porn all I said is do not glamorize it. People are going to do what they want to do. All I am saying is people need to read the articles about the dark side of porn. Some porn stars are drug addicts or they have low self esteem. What is wrong about discussing the dark side? Porn is fantasy but is not reality.

 

[Soilwork]

Read go look at a gay newspaper or look for news not my job to find the info for you..

uh... well... actually... yeah, it is. If you want to post about something and someone questions it, you kinda have to cite references.





(not to make light of it but JUB is the only place where a 36 year-old man can get called "middle aged" and "a young man" within 5 minutes.)

 

[MorrisseyX]

uh... well... actually... yeah, it is. If you want to post about something and someone questions it, you kinda have to cite references.





(not to make light of it but JUB is the only place where a 36 year-old man can get called "middle aged" and "a young man" within 5 minutes.)

This is not a university lecture I am not citing any thing for a whore like you. Go read the Internet go Google asshole not my job to find the news for an ass wipe like you.

 

[xbuzzerx]

I never said people should not do porn all I said is do not glamorize it. People are going to do what they want to do. All I am saying is people need to read the articles about the dark side of porn. Some porn stars are drug addicts or they have low self esteem. What is wrong about discussing the dark side? Porn is fantasy but is not reality.

I don't really glamorize anything, I'm not starstruck meeting celebrities of any sort, they are just normal people whose work makes them public figures or puts their face on billboards or screens. Other than that they are not any different from other people.

If you really want to worry about professions that are overglamorized and kill people and destroy their lives, I think you need to direct this rage towards military recruitment efforts.

 

[Soilwork]

This is not a university lecture I am not citing any thing for a whore like you. Go read the Internet go Google asshole not my job to find the news for an ass wipe like you.

Well then I guess we know you're totally making it up. You can go home, luv.

 

[KaraBulut]

Moderator note: it's one thing to argue. It's another thing to just name-call other members. If nothing else, one is a violation of the COC, the other is not.

...Many people regret making porn and many gay porn stars die from AIDS or depression or simply hate themselves...

And to be fair, more than a few performers in the industry were depressed, suicidal or self-loathing before they got into porn. Their choice to do porn may make their situation worse but it's not accurate to say it's the cause of their problem.

No one ever fucks their way out of depression, in front of a camera or not. Although, we've all known a few people in our real life who were not in the porn industry who try their best to find a cure for their issues with sex, drugs and alcohol.

Um, you do realize that JUB (where you've been a member for nearly 9 years) is a gay porn forum?

...you say "SO many porn stars die..." but... tell us... how many porn stars die? I mean I guess technically, everyone dies... but tell us about these "so many porn stars" that are dying and show us that being a gay porn star means you're more likely to suffer from depression or die...

Hmmm.... you missed an good counterargument on this one:

Interesting factoid- the depression, substance abuse and suicide rates for US military is similarly high. Yet, no one is blaming the military as being the source of the problem.

The truth is, like the porn industry, people end up in the military for many different reasons. Both the porn industry and the military have their share of lost souls. A trip to mugshots.com is all it takes to understand that unfortunate life choices can lead to a career in either place.

One difference though, the military does have resources for active duty and retired members with mental health and substance abuse issues. The porn industry doesn't. It should.

 

[Soilwork]

One difference though, the military does have resources for Active Duty and retired members with mental health and substance abuse issues. The porn industry doesn't. It should.

I don't honestly feel like beating this horse to a further pulp... but the military has federal funding and a bottomless pit of a budget and the adult industry doesn't.

BUT... Mental health care should be a right for us all. Not just for people rich enough to afford it. People shouldn't be throwing bake sales and GoFundMe pages to get adequate health care.

Besides... there are quite a few people in the industry who HAVE done plenty of work and helped a lot of people with substance abuse. Trenton Ducati has his Kill Meth campaign, for instance, and that's not the only one.

 

[G-Lexington]

I don't honestly feel like beating this horse to a further pulp... but the military has federal funding and a bottomless pit of a budget and the adult industry doesn't.

If my limited exposure is any indication, many of the military folks who want/need/require mental health care aren't getting it, either.

Lex

 

[Telstra]

Talking about Meth,
is meth making people sexually very horny and dangerous?
So far about 2 guys asked me to fist them, i think they might took drugs earlier.

 

[KaraBulut]

I don't honestly feel like beating this horse to a further pulp... but the military has federal funding and a bottomless pit of a budget and the adult industry doesn't.

BUT... Mental health care should be a right for us all. Not just for people rich enough to afford it. People shouldn't be throwing bake sales and GoFundMe pages to get adequate health care.

It is a circular issue, isn't it? Many of them have issues (and often arrests) for substance abuse issues that they need money for... which leads them to the porn industry... and treatment does take money.

Thankfully, all health insurance policies now include mental health benefits. The issue that has to be overcome is a shortage of treatment resources and inpatient beds.

Recently, one of your former employers hired someone then fired them shortly afterward for substance abuse issues. It was apparent from the model's interview that he had big issues with substance abuse- both his own and in his family. A few days after being sent home, he overdosed. There was not much that could be done and the company wasn't to blame for his longstanding issues. He had several DUIs before applying to the company (along with a few arrests for theft that should have been a red flag). Maybe if he were sent to treatment or at least to a peer counselor, the outcome might have been different?

...Besides... there are quite a few people in the industry who HAVE done plenty of work and helped a lot of people with substance abuse. Trenton Ducati has his Kill Meth campaign, for instance, and that's not the only one.

A few people in the industry have taken an long-term interest in their models and have gotten them help. And you're correct that there's grass roots organizations by those in recovery that are trying to make a difference. It's just not enough.

If my limited exposure is any indication, many of the military folks who want/need/require mental health care aren't getting it, either.

There's two systems. The DoD is doing a good job. The VA is where it's lacking.

The big issue, like with any mental health/substance abuse issue is getting past the denial... and the feeling that they're letting their platoon down if they seek treatment.

 

[Soilwork]

It is a circular issue, isn't it? Many of them have issues (and often arrests) for substance abuse issues that they need money for... which leads them to the porn industry... and treatment does take money.

And here we go again with the "everyone in porn is on drugs." Just not accurate at all. I don't hire people like that. My long-term or even medium-term people all have "real jobs" and porn is just for fun and escape.

I do my best to screen out those people before they get anywhere near my set and if I even suspect there's a problem, they never come back. I don't need that. We're not that kind of studio.

Recently, one of your former employers hired someone then fired them for substance abuse issues. It was apparent from the model's interview that he had big issues with substance abuse- both his own and in his family. A few days after being sent home, he overdosed. There was not much that could be done and the company wasn't to blame for his longstanding issues. He had several DUIs before applying to the company but maybe if he were sent to treatment or at least to a peer counselor, the outcome might have been different?

I have literally no idea what you're talking about.

But it sounds like you're blaming the death of someone with substance abuse issues on someone who employed him for a day or two... and not the people in his life or his doctor.

 

[thewiz]

Wow...not sure where Judge Judy came from but we have a number of friends who have done adult film work. My husband does hair and several award winners at the recent gay film awards (Grabby's) sported his styling.

Are there individuals who get into the adult industry for the wrong reasons? Most likely. I see that in many careers that I consult with -- most recently with law enforcement. There are a lot of suicides in law enforcement and there have been even more in the military (which is where our son is). However, throwing stones or painting everyone with the same brush does not solve the problem; it is research and investigation that will reveal likely candidates and perhaps educate others on what to watch for so suicide can be prevented. Often the signs are there; they are just missed. But I wouldn't say adult entertainment has any more problem than many other areas -- including youth who are struggling to come out in parts of the country not open to such a thing.

From our conversations with our friends, most reputable adult studios now require quite rigorous testing. If you are infected with an STI or test positive for one, you are not allowed to film. Same with actors who participate bareback. The studios have lots to lose and I am sure there are non-reputable ones but good ones do not want a negative reputation.

You can likely find some of the more prominent adult film companies at events like IML or MAL, the Grabby's, even at Pride events (I've hung out with friends and the producers at San Diego Pride). The companies will also likely be at Gay Disney days and other large LGBT events because promotion and happy actors means people tune in and buy their videos and movies.

For someone going into the business, they do have to understand they will likely now draw new attention. For one friend, that was rather overwhelming at first and he did struggle to accommodate his new found notoriety. It is likely like becoming a movie star -- some can handle the lights and attention and many cannot. Insulting the studio owners or producers I think is uncalled for; there are some responsibilities that are beyond them. They provide the venue, the testing, the legal contracts and then marketing; someone getting into the business needs to be aware of what to look for and might even want to contact other performers or their agents and make sure all the "i's" are dotted and "t's" crossed.

 

[KaraBulut]

It is a circular issue, isn't it? Many of them have issues (and often arrests) for substance abuse issues that they need money for... which leads them to the porn industry... and treatment does take money.

And here we go again with the "everyone in porn is on drugs." Just not accurate at all. I don't hire people like that. My long-term or even medium-term people all have "real jobs" and porn is just for fun and escape.

I do my best to screen out those people before they get anywhere near my set and if I even suspect there's a problem, they never come back. I don't need that. We're not that kind of studio.

"Many" is not the same as "everyone".

You've been in the industry long enough to a) spot the troubled ones early, b) not hire the troubled ones and c) not get sucked into the vortex of their dramas. You also know that is not the case with many of the other studios.

From what I've seen you're one of the more ethical of the guys in an industry that hasn't been as diligent with testing or in selecting models.

I have literally no idea what you're talking about.

But it sounds like you're blaming the death of someone with substance abuse issues on someone who employed him for a day or two... and not the people in his life or his doctor.

No, my point is that it's been convenient for studios to treat models like temporary workers. And to look the other way when the models have troubles... or they just fire them.

It's been an issue for a long time and very little has been done to change the situation.

 

[Soilwork]

No, my point is that it's been convenient for studios to treat models like temporary workers. And to look the other way when the models have troubles... or they just fire them.

Ok but most performers ARE temporary workers. You get it that most of them show up the night before a shoot, do their shoot and are on the plane that night, right?

If they work out and do a good job, I get them back. If not, I don't. There is not "firing" people. They shoot a scene, they get paid. Unless they're exclusive models, but even then that just means we made a commitment to them for a set number of scenes over a set period of time.

It's not like I see them daily on an on-going basis like an employee.

 

[Soilwork]

...and obviously I've done all I can when I'm aware of a problem. But that goes for anyone.. I've driven a friend to rehab before and helped him get checked in, but he's works as an accountant.

 

[xbuzzerx]

...and obviously I've done all I can when I'm aware of a problem. But that goes for anyone.. I've driven a friend to rehab before and helped him get checked in, but he's works as an accountant.

Shsssshhh!

That was secret!

 

[Arckangel]

He has chosen his side and I don´t blame him. He seems to have very wild past and he is lucky to be alive, so good for him in that sense. That docu was just dull but admire him for being a fighter. And yeah, I also think his is a nutcase...but a smart one.

Do you know what name Joseph Sciambra used when he did his porn? I found a few titles only, but I'm not sure it's actually him.