Three women, kidnapped more than a decade ago, found alive and well in Cleveland

[frankfrank]

I'm only starting this thread, because SOMEBODY had to do it. No links, because a search will bring up links from all over the place, about this poignant story.

There were clues that something bad was going on, such as a naked woman CRAWLING in the back yard a few years ago, which neighbors called police on, but the police did nothing. (They knocked on the door. There was no answer. Everything must be OK.)

In Ill-noise, I was told years ago that if 911 is called, the responders are REQUIRED to search the property to assure that emergency situations are well accounted for. The unconscious person eight feet from the side door could mean somebody dying inside, and it has to be investigated.

I posted this on one of the comment threads (HuffPost or Yahoo, I forget which - the two news sites are worlds apart politically).

Allowing police to search a location on a whim? True, it would catch some [NOT ALL] of these kinds of crimes, and undoubtedly save lives. But, it's a double-edged sword.

Some people in law enforcement have a lust for power, superiority, and authority. This apparently passes through the psychological testing before employment; some P. D.'s consider it an asset if a new hire is likely to be ruthless on his/her job. Though I am completely innocent (other than speeding or something), there is no time that I ever feel as UNSAFE as when I am stopped by a police officer. In some Departments, it has been alleged (proof is difficult! - the circumstances collude against truth) that some officers are carrying illegal drugs on them, which they can use in an "Aha! Look what I found in your glove box (or freezer, etc.)!" It's a strong revenue cash cow for cash-strapped cities, etc., because they can trump up the charges to trafficking, and seize your car or your house by using the old admiralty laws (??) which the Courts have generally said are OK to use.

The court docket may be something like "City of Memphis v. 2008 Corvette registered at 311 Maple Street" and of course the City will win because the Corvette cannot talk or hire an attorney. I still think this is Unconstitutional. I remember about 25 years ago that an entire private planes-for-hire company was seized in Peoria because one of the planes he had rented to somebody was used for drug trafficking, flown to Las Vegas. (The landlord, or the lessor, cannot possibly ever know all of what's going on!!) I have also heard about stories in my region where an entire apartment complex is seized (and dozens of families are kicked out and made homeless) because somebody was busted dealing drugs in one of the apartments.

Furthermore, many prisons are profit-making, and they want to jam as many people into their prisons as physically possible. Arresting people capriciously (almost always under the rubric of the damned War on Drugs) is one h-e-doublehockeysticks of a cash cow for multiple entities and layers of administration, also including politicians - and, in some places, judges - who will gladly play the "tough on crime" card in re-election campaigns.

This is what would be happening all the time if the cops were allowed to search places without probable cause.

I should add, though, that a naked woman crawling around in the back yard (most likely not in some ordinary way such as preparing to sunbathe, but probably under extreme duress), seems like adequate proper cause to me.

Somebody there, commented something like:

Imagine being rescued from a dungeon after ten years, only to find out that you're still in Cleveland.

 

[swerve]

Based on what I read (USA Today) -- the police were called MULTIPLE times over a period of YEARS regarding the women led crawling around on leashes in the back yard...

IF the police were actually INTERESTED in REAL crime -- they might have picked up on the pattern...

A HORRENDOUS story...

 

[frankfrank]

They were crawling around, and ON LEASHES???????? How can that not possibly be probable cause?? I didn't hear about the leashes part.

 

[JayHawk]

I am amazed that people can be kept in a suburban home for ten years. I dont know what that psycho said to those girls but it must have put the fear of god into them.

Something that struck me as i heard this story. The Barry lady now has a six year old, obviously from one of her captors. The St Louis case of Shawn Hornbeck saw the kid accepting his fate until the monster was looking for another young boy to steal. I wouldn't be surprised if advances on the six year old were what spawned the action to escape by Barry.

Odd the human condition that whatever fear imposed was great enough to sacrifice their own freedom for life, but to protect another, they willingly go to all means to escape.

 

[Jack Springer]

Incredible true story. The three women will never get that part of their life back but I hope they have the support they need to get over it and lead close to normal the rest of their lives.

Sad about the 6-yo girl. News stories are hinting that many babies were killed in the house.

JH, I tend to agree with you about the comparisons of Shawn Hornbeck and the mother of the 6-yo.

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Incredible true story. The three women will never get that part of their life back but I hope they have the support they need to get over it and lead close to normal the rest of their lives.

Sad about the 6-yo girl. News stories are hinting that many babies were killed in the house.

JH, I tend to agree with you about the comparisons of Shawn Hornbeck and the mother of the 6-yo.

 

[nycguydowntown]

Based on what I read (USA Today) -- the police were called MULTIPLE times over a period of YEARS regarding the women led crawling around on leashes in the back yard...

IF the police were actually INTERESTED in REAL crime -- they might have picked up on the pattern...

A HORRENDOUS story...

from what I've seen today the police really dropped the ball BIG TIME on this---they showed an old America's Most Wanted and that Walsh dude did a who thing on this and when the second 15 year old disappeared a few miles from the first girl and he told the police this is no coincidence---they disagreed and said it was another run a way----the mothers of these girls said it was no runaway and one of the mothers died (allegedly of a broken heart) a few years ago. They were hiding in plain sight in a boarded up house! WTF?

 

[White Eagle]

Mods. I thought I posted this earlier but it is not in the thread. Was there something wrong with it, ie copyrighted?
It's a really good story of the man who apparently saved those women.
There is also a chance I just screwed it up.
Anyway, I just saw on MSNBC that someone is making a t shirt with Charles Ramsey's face, he's the one who called 911 for that woman, and the proceeds will go to the women, or some one helping them return to life. I didn't catch just who the money goes to.
Pls adv if I did this wrong. thanks.

http://www.alternet.org/watch-aweso...9.102503.wHKEqt&rd=1&src=newsletter836465&t=5

WATCH: The Awesome Good Samaritan That Freed 3 Young Women Missing For 10 Years
The heartwarming interview with Charles Ramsey.

 

[peeonme]

The sad thing is that this story might have angered me, but it did not surprise me, have we not become numb to the ugly things that take place?
John Wayne Gacy
Ted Bundy
Jeffery Dahmer
Have we gotten to a place where while we smell the stench of filth, it does not make us vomit?
School shootings, the last episode at Sandy Hook still brings tears to my eyes,
If we believe in God, let's pray that we never get used to this depravity, this cruelty, now excuse me, I need to pray.

 

[Kulindahr]

Can we please do two things?

1. Call this human trafficking.
2. Bring back hanging as the sentence for human trafficking.

 

[chance1]

Death Penalty anyone ?

 

[Jack Springer]

Mods. I thought I posted this earlier but it is not in the thread. Was there something wrong with it, ie copyrighted?
It's a really good story of the man who apparently saved those women.
There is also a chance I just screwed it up.
Anyway, I just saw on MSNBC that someone is making a t shirt with Charles Ramsey's face, he's the one who called 911 for that woman, and the proceeds will go to the women, or some one helping them return to life. I didn't catch just who the money goes to.
Pls adv if I did this wrong. thanks.

http://www.alternet.org/watch-aweso...9.102503.wHKEqt&rd=1&src=newsletter836465&t=5

Ramsey is also a repeat domestic abuser who has spent time in prison for the abuse.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/cleveland-hero-charles-ramsey-8702415

 

[Kulindahr]

Ramsey is also a repeat domestic abuser who has spent time in prison for the abuse.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/cleveland-hero-charles-ramsey-8702415

Interesting. He thus falls into a category I devised while in college, of men who are generally angels to women... except they can't be trusted in relationships with women.

The abuser(s) in this case falls into a dirtier category.