Thugs jumping a homosexual

[Knucklehead]

And about the whole gun thing.. lol. I love how people assume that if the person had the gun it would of went completely different and in the guys favor.

Another one with the ''what if they took his gun'' trip...

 

[Lostlover]

Right what? What's wrong with my post? Crimes like beatings can be random. Often it's part of gang initiation. Another motive can be targeting someone based on traits... or based on perceived traits.

You said it there for me. It doesn't matter if he's gay or straight; he was assaulted.

 

[GiamaniSlave]

All those who take Gay people the wrong way are gonna look back and see what big idiots they were.

Our cruel, messed up world. I feel for anybody who has to go through this torture for no reason.

 

[slnattak]

Fear.

1. If a man has a problem with me, I expect said man to man up and not need a gang of people to take me out. Your problem with me is your problem! Let's deal with this one on one and not do something we'd both later regret.

I can't help but think that this is a gay on gay hate crime. Why would any normal person care who is gay or not? These men were so insecure that they might actually like it, so they viciously attack me for it.

When I come out to people, it's important to understand it's not a solicitation for sex. It's an opportunity to create a dialogue of understanding, a bridge for humanity. A lot of people haven't met a gay person before and when you come out, you help dispel some of the stereotypes and also, how some of the stereotypes are based on truth but aren't truth themselves.

Imagine a self loathing that cuts so deep, that you want to put your hands on another homosexual, but the only way you know how to do that is by violence and brutality.

 

[refujiunderground]

...wow. I'm just at a loss for words (this has been happening to me a lot lately!).

I am disgusted and sick to my stomach watching such ignorance and hatred on display. I hope that young man is physically (and mentally) okay right now, and that they find and arrest those assholes who beat him--asap!

So fucking disgusting. I can't even...

Also: I can't help but wonder if the victim knew the area well, if he lives close by, or what...

it just seems like he would (or should) know what kind of dangerous territory in which he was treading. Based on what I've read and know of that area of Atlanta, I wouldn't be caught dead (actually that's the only way) in that part of town. Doesn't exactly seem like a gay friendly section--what was he thinking?!




You know...I understand exactly what you mean, and I feel you. I know some people who view that type of crap on the regular already have their minds made up about us anyway--but sites and videos like the one in question sure as hell doesn't help matters.

reading comments on this video all over the web will give you a front row seat at the way bigots eat this shit up! We're all savages.

yeah, it just makes matters a whole lot worse especially when you have folks literally supporting and acting out the same stereotypes that are holding us back.

 

[refujiunderground]

The only person that you could be holding back is yourself, don't blame other people for it.

that's the point i was trying to make with that statement. there was more to go with that but my mouse keeps playing games with me.

a little something i wanted to add on before my mouse started to act like a complete dick. i'm going to try to remember what i said word for word in what i was going to type to huntneo.

whenever i see this kind of shit, it annoys me because i know that these dudes are pretty much going to blame everybody for the choices they made. nobody told those guys to do what they did. it was a choice they made to beat up that guy, to tape the assault and etc. now when you see these dudes do this type of shit and other crimes, you see them blaming everybody but their damn selves. this is one of the thing that some black people do when they bullshit around and fuck up. they blame white people, they blame the government and the whole nine. it reminds me of this doc where these guys were on the corner doing whatever talking about "there's no jobs out here for us so we have to do what we do. i gotta eat". well, you have choices. you don't need to be on the corner. you can take control of your life. there's also folks that do that shit because they think that it's cool or "that's what they're meant to do as black men". hell, you hear folks say all the time "the government puts the guns and the drugs in the community". well, you have a choice to pick those guns and drugs up. you don't have to do that. i understand that some people come out of economic hardships and fucked up circumstances where the logical thing is to engage in illegal and illicit activity to get by BUT most people don't even need to get involved with that shit at all.

 

[Knucklehead]

Not even that.

It's just assuming that the scenario would have went his way just because he owned a gun. Not everyone that owns a gun is a responsible gun owner. I think that assuming a scenario like this is going to go your way because you have a weapon is dangerous.

Now we've moved the discussion to the merits of responsible gun ownership? Unreal..The guy was getting the shit kicked out of him by three people and you're talking about ''responsible gun ownership?''

At that point,I wouldn't really give a shit if he had completed the state mandated classes or someone had just tossed him a stolen gun..He had a God given right to defend himself.The ''scenario'' wasn't exactly going his way to start with,any measures he took to even the odds would most likely improve things for him..

Or what if they already had guns themselves? Your idea that a such violence should be escalated to guns is ridiculous.

No,it isn't..What's ridiculous is the people that come on here and suggest that people should willfully submit to savage beatings because they are too afraid to defend themselves.You know,cause they might not be ''responsible'' gun owners or because of the unlikely event that the animals attacking you might somehow get control of your weapon.I've been reading the papers for over 30 years now and can't say I've been made aware of many incidents where people wrestle a gun a from a shooter.Most people will break their legs running away..But hey,this is JUB fantasy land,so have at it..

Better to cower on the street until they are done kicking your teeth down your throat then risk taking measures that might put an immediate end to the attack and improve your chances of survival.Who knows when the attack might have ended or what else they might have used to beat him with? Suppose there was a tire iron on the street along with the tire? I suppose he should let them beat him with that as well?

Be a victim if that sort of thing suits you.Have at it,but I ain't going out like that.Not if I can help it.And yes,I consider myself a ''responsible''gun owner and have attended classes and gotten the required credentials by the state to carry.

Had the man used a gun to protect himself,during the attack,he would have been well within his rights and wouldn't have spent a minute in jail.I can't think of a better example of a good shoot..

 

[Telstra]

Nahh, gun is too weak.
Why don't each person carry a nuclear weapon ....

 

[pat grimshaw]

…i know that these dudes are pretty much going to blame everybody for the choices they made…this is one of the thing that some black people do when they bullshit around and fuck up. they blame white people, they blame the government and the whole nine…there's also folks that do that shit because they think that it's cool or "that's what they're meant to do as black men…

QFT

Thomas Malthus said 200 years ago~
'There is one right, which man is generally thought to possess, which I am confident he neither does, nor can, possess: a right to subsistence when his labour will not fairly purchase it.
Our laws indeed say that he has this right, and bind the society to furnish employment and food to those who cannot get them in the regular market; but in so doing, they attempt to reverse the laws of nature'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Robert_Malthus

 

[Knucklehead]

You notice how 90% of the posts there are in capital letters and have the word "NIGGA" in them?

I have never been on a site anywhere on the internet that featured so many people who were just so damned proud of being ignorant and stupid.That's saying a lot,because I deal with right wingers too.

One of the posts that made me die a little bit was when one poster linked to a video.It was quickly rebutted by another poster who advised the wider hip hop community that ''dat don hav non to do wit non itn.'' Or some variation of that..

Yeah..Disgusting..

 

[Digicel]

Nahh, gun is too weak.
Why don't each person carry a nuclear weapon ....

Guns mow down the attacker directly. A nuclear weapon would harm the innocent in the surrounding area and the victim himself. Its about self defence not mass homicide.

Although if everyone walked around with a gun and used it for the slightest thing it would end up in mass homicide anyways. It would a case of what is considered reasonable self defence? If you step on my new shoes it might make you mad and you shoot him before he has a chance to say he is sorry; That is extreme though. Generally, firing a gun is a last resort and most times it wouldn't even be fired; it would just be shown to the attacker and then he runs away in fear. Shooting him would only be for personal and temporary satisfaction but you would be at a loss for the justification.

 

[Knucklehead]

Yay!

A police statement released late yesterday:



http://projectqatlanta.com/news_art...e_progress_in_anti_gay_beating_case?gid=10205

That's encouraging..Sort of..What puzzles me about the staement is that they disclosed that they are reviewing whether or not this is a hate crime.Huh? Come again..

They have video of the attack.On the video can be clearly heard they words ''no faggots in Jack City.'' What else do they need to consider?

 

[Knucklehead]

Yes, I am. Instead of constantly flying off the handle maybe you should read what I said..

Well,good for you..But I didn't fly off the handle.I responded to your post.Just because I dis- agree with every word of your post,doesn't mean I'm ''flying off the handle.''

'Evening the odds' would be if the guy getting beat up had a few friends with them. Not having a gun with him. And I never said he didn't have a right to defend himself, I said it's naive to assume the situation would have went his way if he had a gun in the situation.

So why is your 'IF' any less ridiculous than my 'IF?' The guy was by himself.He didn't have anyone willing to jump into to assist him fight 3 people.That's when a gun comes in real handy.That's kinda an ideal situation to have and use one.

What the hell is ''so naive'' about thinking that shooting one or two of them wouldn't have stopped the attack? Let me ask you a question.Say you're walking down the street and you hear gunfire 5 feet from you.What are you gonna do?

Are you running away and ducking for cover like most people instinctively do? Or,are you gonna be one of the superheros I've read about in this thread and subdue a man shooting a gun and wrestle it from him?

Just curious...

 

[Knucklehead]

The naive part is that you're assuming that is how it would work out if he had a gun. And you even questioned my point about being a responsible owner. If someone has a gun in that situation I would hope that they are nothing but a responsible owner, but everyone who owns a gun is not..

That's not niave at all..It's human nature to avoid a sudden burst of gunfire..People will automatically duck.The military knows that too..That's why they train soldiers to use covering fire..

Covering fire is when half the platoon lays down heavy fire on a position and the other half advances on it..Then they lay fire on it until the first half show up.When th whole paltoon is close to the position,they assault it together..That is a something that is used soldier versus soldier,who are both armed. While they are laying down covering fire, soldiers on the other side ain't sticking their fucking head over a wall to see where it's coming from.

But yet, I've read here about untrained civilians who are not armed but who will rush a shooter and dis arm him...Amazing..

I'm not touching this.

Why not? Could it be, because like most people,myself includes,when someone starts shooting,you'd be trying to get the fuck out of there and the last thing on your mind would be to wrestle the shooter and grab the gun from them?

 

[FanofFiction]

Videos like this just piss me off so much. Not only were these men cowards, they videotaped it to look back and laugh. Fucking disgusting.

I'm glad the FBI are getting involved.

 

[FanofFiction]

I just hope these pricks face some serious time. All too often, the offenders in crimes effecting gay people go with little more than a slap on the wrist.

 

[Digicel]

Press

 

[pat grimshaw]

(I admit that I don't like those elasticized skinny jeans either)

 

[Digicel]

There is talk that the thugs could use the GAY PANIC defense.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_panic_defense

 

[Ninja108]

Kudos to him for coming foward! May the perps be brought to justice!