Thugs jumping a homosexual

[MoufOfKhaos]

There is talk that the thugs could use the GAY PANIC defense.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_panic_defense

Video proves otherwise.

This wasn't a one on one fight, this was a few people jumping one person for the purpose of hate and humiliation(it's the only reason I can think of that'd have someone tape someone else throwing a tire on them).

I'd like to see the fuckers try to say they were "scared" or harassed by someone that wasn't even paying them any mind when he was ambushed...

I'm also just a little annoyed that the FBI keep saying they might prosecute this as a hate crime. How else can one take "no faggots in Jack City"?

 

[Knucklehead]

What does this have to do with this guy successfully defending himself from 4 guys if he had a gun? There is no guarantee that it would work out for him, that is all I am saying.
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I think it's pretty relevant to the discussion. Of course there are no guarentees in life,except that no one gets out alive. My point was,and has been that if he had a gun,and was able to get off a few shots,even if the bullets landed in a brick wall across the street,at the very sound of the gunfire,there is a damn good chance that attack would have ended then and there..

I just don't understand what people find so difficult about that.Guns go off,people run away..Happens everyday in America.What so very rarely happens in America is that people in the immediate vicinity of the gunfire,especially the intended targets are not likely to decide this is a great time to do hero shit..Self preservation kicks in and people will get the fuck away from the percieved danger..

Because the answer to the question is not going to be gun related and it seems the majority of gun owners on here flag you as a person who likes to be victimized because of that.

Why not? The question was gun related.I thought it was a simple question without a lot of verbal clutter..If you're walking down a street and someone starts firing a gun 5 feet from you,what are you gonna do? What do you think most people would do? Would you run as fast as you could in the opposite direction,or, rush the armed person who is shooting and attempt to dis-arm him? Not me..Feet don't fail me now!

I think an honest answer to that question will support what I've been saying all along..Guns go off,people run away.It's a natural reaction..Kinda like how we swerve to avoid hitting a deer on the highway.We have a natural instinct to avoid danger..That's all I'm saying..

 

[Knucklehead]

^^Avoiding danger shouldn't be confused with a greater instinct to protect yourself when in danger..Enter,fight or flight..

If you can't fight against something,(gun) you most likely take flight..Or, in plain English,get the hell out of the area as fast as you can..

From the point of view of someone getting tag teamed by 3 people,either scenario is a win for the victim.You've at least scared them with the gunfire,and you now recover some sort of equal ground.If they can supress the natural urge to ''duck and cover''- well,continue to fire until you've made them incapable of further assault.

It takes what it takes.All of this is ugly,bad shit ,that I hope no one would ever have to deal with.But my hopes for world peace and a dollar will get get me a cup of coffee..Likewise,it's my hope that people don't dismiss firearms for situations like this.One or two more hits in the right place from those savages could have resulted in life long brain damage or permanent dis -figurement. I know guns aren't for everyone,but most people also wouldn't brutally attack some stranger on the street simply because they didn't like his clothes.You gotta find a balance.I would never think of drawing a weapon in a common dispute,but I wont be beat to the point where I think I might die.

Do you honestly think those type of people would lose a minues sleep if they had horribly wounded or killed their victim,or left him in need of a radical, reconstructive surgery that forever changed his life and placed him in a financial burden he'd never dig out from? Or maybe if one of those kicks forced the removal of his bowels and he was left to shit in a bag for the rest of his life? Lucky him,ehh? Do you think they'd care? Nah,the only remorse they'd display is because they got caught.Nothing more.Nothing less.

Why would they care? Cause after all,they figured ''he was just a faggot.'' Choice is yours.

 

[lambdaboy]

It is always low life , low intelligence people that do this. My partner and I had a similar experience and he was white middle class but ignorant. After he jumped me for no reason my partner beat him senseless his head was swollen to three times its size. "They say get back I say fight back" The lower the intelligence and IQ as shown in this video the bigger the problem. Same thing has been found with the majority of republicans and the so called Religious right.

 

[AngelFromAbove]

In the state of Nevada, UNconcealed weapons are permitted. For some reason, the average Joe is completely unaware of that fact.

You can just bet that that little fruckus would have ended differently if the assailants had seen a gun.

It probably wouldn't even have started.

Did you watch the video? It was a surprise attack, which means the guy had no clue he was going to be assaulted. Even if he had a gun, he would have still ended up being punched, initially. Even after he was punched to the ground, they attackers did not give him any time to react as three of them continued to punch and kick him.

There may have been a small window of opportunity in the video for him to grab his gun, if he had one. However, he was too stunned and groggy from the initial blow that he did not recover quickly.

 

[Knucklehead]

It's ridiculous to say that he should have had a gun and that he could have protected himself. .

There's the problem with debating people like you.You choose to remain powerless and scoff at the idea that you can protect yourself..So,roll over and take your lumps.How dare people think they can protect themselves.

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Most of us don't get the gun culture, and I personally think its over compensating for other factors.
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Really,maybe it's because my dick is real small ,huh? Except, that I have no problem gagging the average bear. You know what I don't get? I don't get people that would would rather let someone kick the shit out them then lift a finger to protect themselves..Puzzles the shit out me..

And he could have ended up brain dead from the beating? What if he got shot with his own gun several times and died? Where would you be then? .

Right where I was when this whole thing started..Either at home or work,or running around the city where I live..BTW I live 2 blocks away from a mall where someone decided it would be a good idea to start shooting random people and about 3 blocks from another shopping center where a freind of mine and several co-workers were killed because another nut decided to shoot up the restaurant where he worked..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_Square_shooting

Most gay people don't like guns and don't get the whole gun culture thing... at least from my experience. There is no balance. Some of us just don't want guns.I think guns are a huge problem in society... and paranoid people with guns is a recipe for disaster..

Again,I don't really give a flying fuck what ''most gay people get'' or don't get. I don't get SCAT, fisting ,Lady Gaga or White Parties either.But hey, if they wanna rub shit all over their brand new underwear while dancing on top of a speaker,have at it..But it seems like your experiences are quite different from mine..I know plenty of gay people who do own guns and would rather try their luck at defending themselves then wait patiently until some maniac is done assaulting them..

One more time,Champ,I did watch the video.But,I'll you what.Next time you find yourself in trouble,try blasting some Lady Gaga at the offending party..That just might be more effective than gunfire for making people flee an area..

Works on me everytime..

 

[Pyrrhus]

Disgusting. Watching any type of vicious, cowardly, unfair and unwarranted attack makes me boil with anger.

 

[Knucklehead]

Angel, I did watch the video.

I'm just saying that if the thugs had SEEN the gun, they wouldn't have attacked.

Unless they were stark-raving mad or suicidal.

What are saying ,Johann? That's just crazy talk!

Everyone knows that as soon as you pull a weapon to defend yourself,the ONLY things that could possibly happen are that you will be dis-armed and wounded or killed with your own weapon.Sheesh,just ask anyone of the people on this board who openly admit that they don't own guns and never fired one.They'd be the ones to ask.

Besides,anyone that does own one,is a military veteran,does know how to shoot them and is licensed to carry them is obviously out of touch with gay culture and most likely a paranoid person who uses a gun to compensate for a small dick..

Whassamatter for you? Just ask ''most gays'' about guns..They'll square you away and teach you techniques to protect your organs while someone is kicking the shit out you..Remember,there is NO POSSIBILTY of using a gun successfully to protect your life..It never,ever works..

 

[MoufOfKhaos]

^Jump down man.

Just because a gun is your weapon of choice does not make that the right choice for everyone, nor does having one mean you are automatically protected from attack. And while self defense is the goal we all seek to achieve, some people - despite the world around them - have deep concerns about taking someone else's life, whether they deserve it or not. You can say with all your heart that a gun doesn't achieve that, but you and I know that you'd be telling a lie.

Why is that so hard to get? A gun is not - and I repeat, is not - a savior. And, in this situation, with the man being attacked from behind and with such force, where exactly do you see a moment where he could have pulled a gun(and with his outfit, from where)?

I can respect your candor for owning a gun. I can even respect your reasoning for it. But you can't browbeat people into your choice - I choose not to own a firearm.. I happen to be one of "those gays" that can defend myself, and should I need an edge, I prefer a knife. In this sort of situation, I'm not convinced that either would have been a fast and easy choice, as seems to be claimed.

 

[ChickenGuy]

Re: Press

Very telling that those thugs found the whole attack ENJOYABLE - you can kind of tell by the manner that they shout and speak that it's almost like a 'sport' to them and one that they'd laugh about afterwards.

I guess when you have three attackers ambush you and set upon you like a pack of dogs, then for the victim it becomes chaotic and confused and a terrible panic situation where your instinctive reaction is either to cower in a ball or to run if you can. There's NOTHING more that the poor guy could have done.

Apparently Knucklehead believes that having everyone in the United States over 18 years old going around town with a gun in their pocket is a solution to violence.

The only constructive solution I can think of would be if he had some basic hand-to-hand defensive training - I know it's a bit unrealistic, but if he had fighting skills or martial arts training he would probably have got himself out of that and given those thugs a beating (NOT that I'm saying everyone (including me) would or should be able to do that)

It's an impossible situation, and one I hope I never have to find myself dealing with.

He's shown more bravery and courage in 2 minutes than his attackers will show in their lives.

By standing in front of the cameras where he knows millions would be watching and being able not just to say what happened to him but to say - YES, I'm GAY and I SHOULDN'T have to be treated like that. THAT'S powerful.

 

[Bored]

They threw a tired on him? Don't they kill people in other countries by putting a tire around them and setting it on fire? I'm pretty sure their is a word for that.

In my opinion, that tire shows that they wanted to kill him. I hope they get arrested and get a long prison sentence.

 

[AngelFromAbove]

Angel, I did watch the video.

I'm just saying that if the thugs had SEEN the gun, they wouldn't have attacked.

Unless they were stark-raving mad or suicidal.

That's not true. You are assuming that a situation would have gone a certain way based on the presence of a weapon. Some people are savvy enough to maneuver a gun away from another person, if the gun is clearly visible. If the gun was not clearly visible, then that would not have stopped the attack, which leads to my original point. The victim would have needed time and space to utilize the gun.

 

[pat grimshaw]

...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_Square_shooting....

^ That's freaky reading. A teenage nutcase shouting "Allahu Akbar" and killing five innocent people.

...I don't get SCAT, fisting ,Lady Gaga or White Parties either...

I agree with you there; but Giancarlo says he's into 'underground music'.

 

[FanofFiction]

Ok. Assuming that guns sometimes end a bad situation in a positive manner... I don't believe that it would have in this case at all. The kid was jumped from behind, didn't see it coming. The poor kid was bashed so hard and so quick, he was too dazed to handle a gun anyway. He couldn't stand, let alone aim. If he pulled a gun, in this particular situation, he likely would have hurt himself.

 

[Knucklehead]

The problem is that you believe that this is exactly what's going to happen every time.

Who said that? I sure the hell didn't.But you however,seem to be absolutely convinced that there is no other possible outcome aside from getting hurt with your own weapon..Oh yeah,you still haven't answered my question..

But,it's not like I really expected you to though...Not when it's much easier to climb on your soapbox and wag your finger..

 

[Knucklehead]

Re: Press

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Apparently Knucklehead believes that having everyone in the United States over 18 years old going around town with a gun in their pocket is a solution to violence.

It's an impossible situation, and one I hope I never have to find myself dealing with. .

Shoo fly..

Come back around when you know what the fuck you're talking about..

 

[Knucklehead]

Or if they had guns themselves he would have got shot instead. These are gang members we are talking about...

Yeah? And?

There you go,elevating scumbags up to superhero status again..What are we supposed to take from that? Gang bangers bleed too.They fall down when shot just like everyone does..

You live in L.A.. They pick up lots of dead gangbangers off the streets there..Too bad ,so sad..

 

[pat grimshaw]

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Knucklehead, I'm agreeing with some of what you say.

I'm still coming to understand the JUB personalities, so can I ask you— do your views align with Kulindahr's?

 

[Knucklehead]

^Jump down man.

Just because a gun is your weapon of choice does not make that the right choice for everyone, nor does having one mean you are automatically protected from attack. And while self defense is the goal we all seek to achieve, some people - despite the world around them - have deep concerns about taking someone else's life, whether they deserve it or not. You can say with all your heart that a gun doesn't achieve that, but you and I know that you'd be telling a lie.

Why is that so hard to get? A gun is not - and I repeat, is not - a savior. And, in this situation, with the man being attacked from behind and with such force, where exactly do you see a moment where he could have pulled a gun(and with his outfit, from where)?

I can respect your candor for owning a gun. I can even respect your reasoning for it. But you can't browbeat people into your choice - I choose not to own a firearm.. I happen to be one of "those gays" that can defend myself, and should I need an edge, I prefer a knife. In this sort of situation, I'm not convinced that either would have been a fast and easy choice, as seems to be claimed.

I'm jumping down alright..I've been responding to this thread for three days now and I'm getting tired of dealing with people who have their heads up their ass.

I've never told anyone they must buy a weapon of any kind..Not a gun,not a knife or a bag of rocks..Buy one or don't buy one..No sweat off my nads..

I did say though,that if the victim had a gun AND the presence of mind to use one it might have brought his attack to a quicker end..Of course,I'll relent that there is no one size fits all solution to every situation..

The people I've been writing to here have a different view on things though.According to them,no matter what the situation,a gun owner should expect to be dis armed and beaten or killed with their own weapon.They present a very rigid argument that offers no possiblity of any outcome other than the superhero attackers being empowered by point blank gunfire..

Here's the deal,Mo. Three days later, I could give less than a fuck if these people are armed or not.That's on them.They should do what works for them.I'm sure if they appeal to potential attackers better nature,things will work out just fine..

I'll do what I think will work for me and mine.

 

[Knucklehead]

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I'm still coming to understand the JUB personalities, so can I ask you— do your views align with Kulindahr's?

On some things, yes.More often than not,we don't..Particularly on the issue of gun ownership and the issuance of concealed carry permits..

I have no problem with the State doing what it can to keep guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them.I also have no problem attending classes to become familiar with the laws regarding carrying a concealed weapon..

Kuli takes a rather hardline approach to that,and reasons that the right to own a weapon is just that,a right. If I understand him correctly,he feels that since it's a right,the State or Federal governments have no business making laws that might restrict ownership and when and where they may be carried..

He also seems to take the view that being a gun owner,he has some sort of responsibilty to protect the lives of others in danger..I don't.I'm not a police officer.That's not to say I wouldn't help someone I personally witnessed in grave physical danger,but it's not something that motivated my gun purchases.

My weapon is for my personal protection,period.Unlike him,I don't belong to civilian patrol groups that prowl the streets looking for trouble.I have a motto..Mind your own business and you live longer..