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Top Taliban Leader Killed by U.S. Airstrike

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Great news - the good guys get one of the big bad guys

Not as much fun as a Bush sucks thread, but probably more important



Updated: 06:20 PM EST


Top Taliban Leader Killed by U.S. Airstrike
Osmani Considered Close Associate of bin Laden

KABUL, Afghanistan (Dec. 23) - A U.S. airstrike near the Pakistan border killed the Taliban's southern military commander, a U.S. military spokesman said Saturday, calling him the highest-ranking Taliban ever slain by American forces.
Mullah Akhtar Mohammad Osmani's vehicle was hit by a U.S. airstrike Tuesday as he traveled in a deserted area in the southern province of Helmand, the spokesman said. Two associates also were killed.
U.S. and Afghan officials said the strike was a major victory. Ahmed Rashid, a leading author on Islamic militancy, said Osmani's death could disrupt planning for a Taliban offensive early next year, designed to extend the recent surge of violence across Afghanistan.
Osmani played an instrumental role in some of the Taliban's most notorious excesses - including the demolition of the ancient Buddha statues in Bamiyan and the trial of Christian aid workers in 2001, Rashid said.
He was also one of three top associates of Taliban leader Mullah Omar, Rashid said, and among the first supporters of Osama bin Laden within the militant Islamic militia's top ranks.
A Taliban spokesman denied that Osmani was dead. But a provincial police chief and Afghanistan's Interior Ministry confirmed the killing. Interior Ministry spokesman Zemeri Bashary called it "a big achievement."
A U.S. spokesman said the death was confirmed through multiple sources.
As the Taliban's chief military commander in southern Afghanistan, Osmani played a "central role in facilitating terrorist operations" including roadside bombings, suicide attacks and ambushes against Afghan and international forces, said Col. Tom Collins, the U.S. military spokesman.
"Mullah Osmani is the highest ranking Taliban leader we've ever killed," Collins said. "He was the chief of the Taliban's military operations, so his death is very significant and will hurt the Taliban's operations."
Rashid agreed the death was a "major blow" to the militia.
"It's the first casualty among the top Taliban leadership in the past five years, which makes the strike very significant," he said.
Collins said Osmani had been "utilizing both sides" of the Afghan-Pakistan border, and that the U.S. military had been tracking him "for a while."

"When the time was right, and we thought we had a good chance of hitting him without causing any harm to civilians, we struck," he said.
The Taliban have stepped up attacks this year, especially in Afghanistan's south, and waged fierce battles with Western and Afghan government forces.
About 4,000 people have died in the violence, raising fears for the country's future stability after a quarter century of war.
A purported Taliban spokesman, Qari Yousef Ahmadi, denied that Osmani had been killed. He said the airstrike killed a group commander and three other Taliban fighters.
"I confirm that Osmani is alive and is in Afghanistan," Ahmadi told The Associated Press by phone from an undisclosed location.
But other sources said there was little doubt. Collins said officials waited four days to announce the news in part so that they could be sure the Taliban commander was dead.
Identifying remains was difficult, Collins said, because of the damage inflicted by the airstrike. "The vehicle was completely destroyed, there was nothing to recognize," he said.
Osmani's absence will be felt by the Taliban: He was part of a group of "coequals" at the tier of leadership just under Omar, Collins said, and was also in charge of the Taliban's finances.
"There's no doubt that it will have an immediate impact on their ability to conduct attacks," the spokesman said.
Although the U.S. said Osmani was an associate of bin Laden, Omar and Afghan insurgent leader Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, Collins said he did not know the last time Osmani had contact with any of the three.
As Kandahar corps commander during the Taliban regime, Osmani would have been responsible for security around Omar. He supported bin Laden among the Taliban and had received a lot of money from Arab sources to build his military force, Rashid said.
The whereabouts of Omar, the Taliban's reclusive leader who has a $10 million reward on his head, remain a mystery.
In June, a man claiming to be Osmani - his face was concealed by a black turban - gave an interview to a Pakistani television network. He told the network that both Omar and bin Laden were alive and well, and claimed to be receiving instructions from Omar.
Associated Press reporter Matthew Pennington in Islamabad, Pakistan, contributed to this report.


12/23/06 18:00 EST
 
Another Islamofascist bites the dust! An early Christmas present! Enjoy your stay in hell, Mr.Osmani.
 
Good news. Hopefully it will bring some stability back to Afghanistan. It would be terrible if it went back to the Taliban.
 
GO TEAM!!!

Nice work, ladies and gentlemen!
 
I love it

the JUB 90% have taken this one off

they hate good news

cause they see it as good news for "the republicans" - which means bad news for them

this is a very telling moment

they just don't know it

oh yeah

BUSH sucks
 
It's not that people don't like "good news". It's just that all these "good news" from Afghanistan or Iraq are presented by the neo-con brigade as if it was god's manna from heaven when in truth it means little to nothing when one of these guys is killed. There are thousands of "Osmanis" or "Bin Ladens" and they largely enjoy the support of the civil population now, thanks to U.S. actions in the middle east. Killing such "leaders" does not stop terrorism or insurgencies (which as in Iraq's case are quite legal to be honest) - it is too late for that now.
 
The good news is delivered by those of us who want to see the world, not just the US, prevail in the war on terror. If that means we have kill one of these assholes every hour for all of eternity, that's just fine by me. As to the losers and naysayers, quit your whining and provide a better plan. Of course none of the whiners have a plan. Maybe we shoud ask that nice man in Iran to help us out!
 
As to the losers and naysayers, quit your whining and provide a better plan. Of course none of the whiners have a plan. Maybe we shoud ask that nice man in Iran to help us out!
Ah yes the old BushRepublican lie that those opposed to Bush & Co's failed policies have no plan.

Meanwhile Bush apparently "plans" to veto his way through the next two years.

Here's a comprehensive plan that BushRepublicans want to dismiss or ignore:

http://www.usip.org/isg/iraq_study_group_report/report/1206/
 
Drop leaflets in Afghanistan explaining to the Taliban that heaven has run out of virgins. The only ones left all look like Janet Reno and have the personality of Ann Coulter.

They would all surrender! :D ..|
 
Top Taliban Leader Killed by U.S. Airstrike
While this is good news, the cheering here by BushRepublicans is reminiscent of Bush's "Mission Accomplished" performance.

The truth is, if he was killed Osmani will be immediately replaced by the Taliban, which has been getting stronger rather than weaker recently. So, while it's always good when we take out one of an enemy's leaders, if the overall Bush & Co plan allows the enemy to strengthen, taking out a leader every six months or so is not ultimately effective.

But whether or not an event is meaningful in a substantive way, it is always fun to watch BushRepublicans celebrate.
 
While this is good news, the cheering here by BushRepublicans is reminiscent of Bush's "Mission Accomplished" performance.

The truth is, if he was killed Osmani will be immediately replaced by the Taliban, which has been getting stronger rather than weaker recently. So, while it's always good when we take out one of an enemy's leaders, if the overall Bush & Co plan allows the enemy to strengthen, taking out a leader every six months or so is not ultimately effective.

But whether or not an event is meaningful in a substantive way, it is always fun to watch BushRepublicans celebrate.

It's about Americans being happy about a victory, not republicans. Your post is very telling. I see clearly what the view of the left would be should Osama ever get captured or killed. So what, he'll be replaced. I read about the Battle of The Bulge the other day. America took 80,000 casualties in that battle alone. I can't but wonder what would be getting posted on this board, had it existed then.
 
This is NOT good news for Repubs - this is GOOD news for all

This is NOT a political statement - though some would try to make it so (that would be those who brought up the political aspect of it)

A very bad guy got knocked off

That's good for all free people of the world

One less killer/leader of terror to worry about

Merry Christmas
 
It's about Americans being happy about a victory, not republicans.
One death is not a victory, it's an event.

Victory would be crushing the Taliban. It's been FIVE YEARS since 9/11 and the Taliban is getting stronger, not weaker.

So BushRepublicans come on here cheering the "victory" of the death of one Taliban leader from one sector.

As I said, it's good that he's dead. But it's not a victory, and as 2006 elections showed, BushRepublican bullshit like that is not working on Americans anymore.

Your post is very telling. I see clearly what the view of the left would be should Osama ever get captured or killed.
It's been FIVE YEARS since 9/11. You want a fucking medal for capturing bin Laden NOW?! While bin Laden probably has some power still, the problem is much more widespread now (as is Opium) -- thanks to Bush & Co bumbling the "war on terror," in Afghanistan and Iraq.

I read about the Battle of The Bulge the other day. America took 80,000 casualties in that battle alone. I can't but wonder what would be getting posted on this board, had it existed then.
I really love how BushRepublicans like to draw comparisions between Bush's failure with the "war on terror" and events of World War II. What you don't seem to realize is how doing that only shines a brighter light on the incompetence of BushRepublicans.
 
Hopefully Bin-Laden is out hunting with Cheney!
 
You know, It's very sad to think we are celebrating over one death, someone who will be replaced immediatley, when how many of our soldiers have died this week, this month, this year in Iraq?

This holiday season, so many Americans are not celebrating the holidays because their spouses, Dads, Moms, Son's, Daughters, brothers, cousins, nephews and maybe neices are not their to celebrate it with them. Why? Because they were killed doing what they thought was a good thing. Our soldiers are getting tired.

Its this kind of thing that pisses me off. This is almost a weak attempt at justifying the war and its pretty sad. Why don't we all celebrate when our Government, Republicans and Democrats, comes up with a comprehensive plan to end this thing.

And take a few minutes to remember our soldiers, whether you agree with the war or the lies or whatever your position, because they are sacrificing themselves either way.
 
truths people

truths

celebrating the death of a fellow man, especially on a holy day is just morally reprehensible. I am embarrassed for some of you by your display here.

the taliban will be unballanced for a few months due to his death, but as Dubya moves to increase the troops in Iraq, its doubtfull we will be able to take advantage of their temporary weakness. We simply dont have the resourses to increase activity on both fronts and its obvious what Bush intends to do. he intends on doubling down in iraq.

someone has already moved up to replace him that we know very little about. now we will have to start all over again.

Four american soldiers died today. While you are celebrating the death of this taliban leader, those four families are mourning the loss of their brothers, husbands, sons, and lovers. one monster for four good men is not an acceptable trade.

this was not a great day for americans. Republicans think its a good day because they have placed all their faith in warfare that to date has done nothing to stop the terrorists from attacking our men and women abroad. they do not believe in any other method of diplomacy or intelligence, is spite of the fact that diplomatic ties with pakistan is what has brought more taliban and al queda members to their knees than all the bombs in the arsenals of the three armed services.

there is potential for moderate military oportunities due to it, but it is not reasonable to think that we will be able to press the advantage. we simply dont have the time, troops, money or political will.

and that?

that is caused by the personal choices of president bush
 
So its only ok to grieve and be depressed about how we're losing the war while its not ok to openly acknowledge any progress?

So bad news only. Got it.
 
truths people

truths

celebrating the death of a fellow man, especially on a holy day is just morally reprehensible. I am embarrassed for some of you by your display here.

the taliban will be unballanced for a few months due to his death, but as Dubya moves to increase the troops in Iraq, its doubtfull we will be able to take advantage of their temporary weakness. We simply dont have the resourses to increase activity on both fronts and its obvious what Bush intends to do. he intends on doubling down in iraq.

someone has already moved up to replace him that we know very little about. now we will have to start all over again.

Four american soldiers died today. While you are celebrating the death of this taliban leader, those four families are mourning the loss of their brothers, husbands, sons, and lovers. one monster for four good men is not an acceptable trade.

this was not a great day for americans. Republicans think its a good day because they have placed all their faith in warfare that to date has done nothing to stop the terrorists from attacking our men and women abroad. they do not believe in any other method of diplomacy or intelligence, is spite of the fact that diplomatic ties with pakistan is what has brought more taliban and al queda members to their knees than all the bombs in the arsenals of the three armed services.

there is potential for moderate military oportunities due to it, but it is not reasonable to think that we will be able to press the advantage. we simply dont have the time, troops, money or political will.

and that?

that is caused by the personal choices of president bush

your post stands on its merits

yes it is Christmas eve - a great day

and the death of this man is a wonderful thing - as he is evil and a leader of terror and death to innocents

some things in life are just that simple

that you bring up "Repubs think this is a great day" is a prime example of your inability to see anything in non Repub/Dem or Conservative/Liberal terms

I'd say "too bad" but we're way beyond that
 
So its only ok to grieve and be depressed about how we're losing the war while its not ok to openly acknowledge any progress?

So bad news only. Got it.
No you don't get it.

Acknowledging progress is not only okay, it's smart because it uplifts morale and helps us be aware of what works versus what doesn't.

But killing one man is not progress. It's an event. And the killing of one man by another is an event that, even when the dead man was a bad man, is not an event of celebration. It's not a happy thing. It may be a relief and the world may even be better off with that man gone, but the people here celebrating the killing of a fellow human being have lost some measure of their soul. Men killing men is not an event to celebrate; it's a very sad state of affairs. And because of Bush & Co's lying to start a war, because of the deaths of innocents as a result of those lies, we are not the "good guys," we are now among the bad guys who are responsible for killing innocent people. That's what George Bush and his cohorts have done.

The "Mission Accomplished" dog-and-pony-show that BushRepublicans pull out whenever something remotely positive happens is dishonest propaganda.

You wrote, at the beginning of this thread, "Hopefully it will bring some stability back to Afghanistan." The death of one man in a terrorist group that's been gaining strength is not going to bring stability to Afghanistan or anywhere else.

Bush & Co have losing strategies, their plans are ill-conceived and have resulted in failure following failure. Democrats offer alternative ideas and BushRepublicans shout out, "Anti-Americans!! Pro-Terrorists!!!! Democrats have to plans!!!!!" and then follow with things like the report of one man being killed and herald it as "Success!!!" "Progress!!!"

The years of BushRepublican lies that start wars and about missions accomplished, the BushRepublican sliming of fellow Americans, the BushRepublican effort at misinforming Americans and keeping them misinformed so BushRepublicans can continue marching forward with their divisive and destructive agenda have got to end. Turning one American against another using religion or sexual orientation or economic or educational or intellectual status is just plain wrong. Pretending a death is progress is wrong. A death is a death, that's all. If he was a bad guy then the world is better with him gone, but it's not a mission accomplished, it's not the beginning of stability, and it's not progress. It's just another death among hundreds of thousands. We need better leadership.
 
too bad chance?

look i tried to get along with you and all you did was move onto other people to attack and expect me to remain silent

i realized that you dont want me to do anything but stop speaking my mind, and what you cant acheive to those ends through coerscion you will by bullying.

so too bad is your problem.

there are some people that you are proud to not get along with and you have become one of those people.

you were banned for attacking people once, and when you were told to stop, you attacked the mod. then you got banned for a year.

you blanketted the forum with pm's saying how unfair it was, and emploring us all to speak to snaps on your behalf.

well here we are.... snaps is away and you are playing a new set of mods and us one more time with your dissention. you even attacked one of them for speaking the truth about your complaining ways and double standards.

you were given a second chance and you have proven that you didnt deserve it.

too bad is right, chance.

Back on topic......

GREAT post NICK!!!

what i find allarming is that that the taliban, the republican admin, and al queda all have one primary mindset that is morally disturbing.

they believe that some human life is more valuable than other human life and that the ones who disagree with you are expendable.

Both the titans in this epic contest to stack up a body count assert that if you value the life of their enemy, it means that you value their life less.

I value all life, as the vast majority of humans on this planet do, and i do not quantify them.

i can say that i dont want americans dead as equally as i dont want iraqis dead, and while i abhor the terrorists for their mindless killing i will never endorse a process that makes US as bad as them to beat them.
 
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