Top Taliban Leader Killed by U.S. Airstrike

[ryankeith]

So its only ok to grieve and be depressed about how we're losing the war while its not ok to openly acknowledge any progress?

So bad news only. Got it.

No, progress is not the killing of one man, who will be immediatley replaced.

Progress is having a well thought out plan and strategy, which we still do not have. Progress would be the Iraqi people finally standing up for themselves and working towards a better place to live. Progress would be less death and more hope.

and the death of this man is a wonderful thing - as he is evil and a leader of terror and death to innocents

Chance, everything is not black and white. If you turned the table on your quote, many people across the world also feel the same of Bush, that he is also Evil and a Leader of Terror and is responsible for the Death of thousands of innocents.

Your theory of "they are the bad guys we are the good guys" sounds like a game of Cowboys and Indians or Cops and Robbers we used to play as kids.

Our country is responsible for killing thousands of innocents and Bush is our leader. We fight for what we believe in, and they fight for what they believe in...they fight for God and we supposedly fight for God (and this isn't a blame Bush or anyone comment, just the truth of the matter).

We are killing our own soldiers over bullshit information...so one death in the fight against terror is not progress.

Hopefully our government will work together and come up with a comprehensive plan to solve this war and then we can start seeing some progress.

 

[chance1]

too bad chance?

look i tried to get along with you and all you did was move onto other people to attack and expect me to remain silent

i realized that you dont want me to do anything but stop speaking my mind, and what you cant acheive to those ends through coerscion you will by bullying.

so too bad is your problem.

there are some people that you are proud to not get along with and you have become one of those people.

you were banned for attacking people once, and when you were told to stop, you attacked the mod. then you got banned for a year.

you blanketted the forum with pm's saying how unfair it was, and emploring us all to speak to snaps on your behalf.

well here we are.... snaps is away and you are playing a new set of mods and us one more time with your dissention. you even attacked one of them for speaking the truth about your complaining ways and double standards.

you were given a second chance and you have proven that you didnt deserve it.

too bad is right, chance.

Back on topic......

GREAT post NICK!!!

what i find allarming is that that the taliban, the republican admin, and al queda all have one primary mindset that is morally disturbing.

they believe that some human life is more valuable than other human life and that the ones who disagree with you are expendable.

Both the titans in this epic contest to stack up a body count assert that if you value the life of their enemy, it means that you value their life less.

I value all life, as the vast majority of humans on this planet do, and i do not quantify them.

i can say that i dont want americans dead as equally as i dont want iraqis dead, and while i abhor the terrorists for their mindless killing i will never endorse a process that makes US as bad as them to beat them.

as usual your condescension is only surpassed by your lack of brevity

I have never found anyone so profound in one's own mind - as you

"You tried to get along with me" - listen to yourself

I suggest that you speak for yourself and no one else - since you are so boorish that would be the right thing to do

you are clearly in with the mods - which is unfortunate for the board - but it suits you nicely as you can be "in the know" - ha ha

as just believe called you out - I concur

my standard line to you andreus which is so right on

GET OVER YOURSELF - you're really not that grand

Merry Christmas

 

[chance1]

No, progress is not the killing of one man, who will be immediatley replaced.

Progress is having a well thought out plan and strategy, which we still do not have. Progress would be the Iraqi people finally standing up for themselves and working towards a better place to live. Progress would be less death and more hope.



Chance, everything is not black and white. If you turned the table on your quote, many people across the world also feel the same of Bush, that he is also Evil and a Leader of Terror and is responsible for the Death of thousands of innocents.

Your theory of "they are the bad guys we are the good guys" sounds like a game of Cowboys and Indians or Cops and Robbers we used to play as kids.

Our country is responsible for killing thousands of innocents and Bush is our leader. We fight for what we believe in, and they fight for what they believe in...they fight for God and we supposedly fight for God (and this isn't a blame Bush or anyone comment, just the truth of the matter).

We are killing our own soldiers over bullshit information...so one death in the fight against terror is not progress.

Hopefully our government will work together and come up with a comprehensive plan to solve this war and then we can start seeing some progress.

not sure where u are from ryankeith

but it is a simple truth that the death of a terrorist leader is a wonderful thing - for all mankind

that this simplicity escapes you means the world is perpetually gray - which is a very dangerous thing

how do you ever make a decision?

could be this

could be that

many things are like that

this is not one of them

 

[Andreus]

No, progress is not the killing of one man, who will be immediatley replaced.

Progress is having a well thought out plan and strategy, which we still do not have. Progress would be the Iraqi people finally standing up for themselves and working towards a better place to live. Progress would be less death and more hope.



Chance, everything is not black and white. If you turned the table on your quote, many people across the world also feel the same of Bush, that he is also Evil and a Leader of Terror and is responsible for the Death of thousands of innocents.

Your theory of "they are the bad guys we are the good guys" sounds like a game of Cowboys and Indians or Cops and Robbers we used to play as kids.

Our country is responsible for killing thousands of innocents and Bush is our leader. We fight for what we believe in, and they fight for what they believe in...they fight for God and we supposedly fight for God (and this isn't a blame Bush or anyone comment, just the truth of the matter).

We are killing our own soldiers over bullshit information...so one death in the fight against terror is not progress.

Hopefully our government will work together and come up with a comprehensive plan to solve this war and then we can start seeing some progress.

Great POST !!

I want to say that as an american firefighter, you are a true american hero. You know what it means to put your life on the line everyday to help others. You are admired and appreciated!!!

what i dont get is why they have a problem with diplomacy.

the assertion that you dont talk to nations that you dont get along with shows a complete lack of understanding on what the entire point of diplomacy really is all about.

talking only to your allies makes you isolated. Diplomacy becomes nothing but a tool for trade.

Diplmacy when used correctly can coerce the enemies you have to express their displeasure for you and yours for them in ways that do not entail the loss of life.

that is a prospect that has become less appealing to SOME americans as we have grown the unfortunate belief that we are militarily invulnerable.

as we are finding out all around the world, having the biggest toys doesnt always save your life. we need to start talking to the people we dont like and disagree with on the global stage, or we will go the way of the USSR.... spending ourselves out of existance fighting wars that we could have negotiated ourselves out of.

 

[JayHawk]

Now thats a Mery Christmas to the Taliban

 

[smelter]

The position statements that are presented in these kinds of talks between governments are ultimately judged by the people of the countries they represent. If our government is putting out a bunch of shit ... we want to know about it. The same is true for the people in Syria, Iran, Palestine etc. Any kind of dialogue is better than none ....... that seems to be a concept that is lost on the Bush administration. Dialogue is not concession and is not a sign of weakness, what is so difficult to understand about that!

 

[ryankeith]

not sure where u are from ryankeith

but it is a simple truth that the death of a terrorist leader is a wonderful thing - for all mankind

that this simplicity escapes you means the world is perpetually gray - which is a very dangerous thing

how do you ever make a decision?

could be this

could be that

many things are like that

this is not one of them

Chance...your right, you don't know me or where I am from.

In my world, a decision made by me or others can kill people or save people. Decisions are extremley important and need to be constantly evaluated to ensure those decisions made are working and true. To stick with a decision that essentially is killing more and more lives without reavaluating thats decision is wrong, no matter how you look at it.

Take the Worcester Cold Storage Fire in the state of Massachusetts 7 years ago. 6 Firefighters died that night. 2 were initially lost and 2 more were sent in to find them...then 2 more went sent in. The deputy Chief in charge that night made a decision to pull everyone out, everyone...even if it meant losing the building. He had to place himself in front of the door to stop more firefighters from going in to their death, literally. It was not a popular decision at the time, but looking back it was the right thing to do. Why? Because the current stradegy wasn't working and firefighters were being lost...and his decision saved lives. Something this administration should think about.

I make decisions everyday, but I try to look at the big picture...because not everything is black and white. I am 31 years old now and by the time I was 19 or 20 I have seen more shit and made more life changing decisions than most people will make in their lifetime.

So yes, a dead terrorist maybe a good thing, but it is not progress, it is not something to celebrate in a time where there is so much death and every week our boys are dying in the double digits.

Maybe in your life things are always black and white...maybe your lucky enough to be able to live that way, but a huge number of people who put themselves on the line for you everyday, those who are in constant struggle to survive, or those who can see the big picture understand that life is not clearly drawn out in sharp lines and 2 solid colors...its a mess of shades and the lines are faded. This is why decisions become so very important.

 

[ComNavFdgPk]

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A very bad guy got knocked off

That's good for all free people of the world

One less killer/leader of terror to worry about

Merry Christmas

How can you possibly say those two things in one paragraph? You revel in the death of one human being (albeit an evil one) and then send good wishes on the day we celebrate the birth of a man who never wished harm to come to any man.

 

[ryankeith]

^ Easy -- some people revel in the culture of death and destruction, they rejoice in the spilling of blood (so long as it isn't their blood). Often called sociopathic, sometime called psychopathic, it is a disease of the heart as much as it is a disease of the head. In their world, carnage, mayhem, violence and evil holds sway. It is this mentality that leads to tragedy, and it is a culture that must be exposed and rejected by all normal people everywhere.

I truly believe in this case and among many it is a lack of understanding due to a lack of life experience. It doesn't matter how old a person is, its more about what they experience in life. That in itself is not their fault, everyone is dealt a different set of cards. But its when someone who obviously has that lack of understanding and experience, fails to try to understand and learn, but instead acts immaturely about it that is troubling.

It truly shows through here in this thread, who has seen shit and who hasn't, those who understand and those who don't, as well as those who talk through their ass revealing their own lack of understanding and life experience, but are not willing to learn.

We seethe when we see others celebrating the death of one of our own, yet it seems to be ok to do it to them. Lead by example is what I was always taught, yet it seems that lesson has been missing in this country for a while now.

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[smelter]

We seethe when we see others celebrating the death of one of our own, yet it seems to be ok to do it to them. Lead by example is what I was always taught, yet it seems that lesson has been missing in this country for a while now.

You make an excellent point. Much of this attitude rests squarely on President Bush ....... he seems impervious to genuine introspection when it comes to the carnage of this post-invasion Iraq war. The obvious poor planning and subsequent mismanagement is crystal clear to everyone, it seems, except George Bush and his band of 'think tank' sycophants. He needs to be stopped and it has to be communicated from the leadership within his own party just as it was with Nixon and Watergate. Its time for this to end!

 

[JackFTwist]

the immorality of cheering for the death of any person has been well made

the fact that five plus years later and this is what Bush has to show for Afghanistan (other than the Taliban controls most of the country and opium exports had an all time high, and 800 American deaths) as been well made

I keep struggling on this point: why do those who think that there is a real threat to America such that wars must be fought, why don't these people enlist?

Imagine after Pearl Harbor: "hey, we've been attacked and all, and tell ya what, America, I'll fight by staying at home, doing my own thing, and posting pro-war messages on a gay message board!"

I bet that would have scared the other side.

But somehow it seems oddly consistent with the personal lives of the current administration. Maybe not the gay part - but the stay at home and taking care of their sex lives while others went out to die, that part...

 

[JackFTwist]

Alfie, as you know I have a son who is a Marine. I know a lot of Marines. These guys do what they are told, where they are told. It just really angers me that those who won't put their ass on the line for what they say they believe will risk the lives of other people. How fucking immoral.

 

[White Eagle]

Amen!!!!amen!!!!

 

[chance1]

I love you guys - really I do

"Revel in the death of"

hardly but I'm not losing any sleep

see when you're at war and you can kill a leader of your enemy, well, that's a good thing

the guy who got killed was a dirtbag, terrorist, killer, fill in the blanks. Let's see what he and The Taliban are about shall we?

He was a close associate to Bin Laden - remember Binny? that's the guy .............never mind

Osmani (that's the dead guy) played a "central role in facilitating terrorist operations" including roadside bombings, suicide attacks and ambushes against Afghan and international forces, said Col. Tom Collins, the U.S. military spokesman.

His death will hurt the Taliban's operations

Analysts said his death could hamper preparations for an expected militant offensive in southern Afghanistan in early 2007.

Taliban militants have set off more than 115 suicide bombs in Afghanistan this year in the country's bloodiest year of violence since the ouster of the regime in 2001.

if I remember correctly, one of the major complaints of the Bush Admin was that invading Iraq reduced our effectiveness in Afghanistan

This is war guys

Leading bad guys getting killed is a pretty good thing

call me crazy

 

[ryankeith]

I love you guys - really I do


if I remember correctly, one of the major complaints of the Bush Admin was that invading Iraq reduced our effectiveness in Afghanistan

call me crazy

You are crazy...

Because you never get it...never. This does not justify or fullfil anything related to Iraq. We created the present Iraq...can you not get that through that thick skull of yours? We opened the gateway to hell so to speak, because we do not have a plan and never really did. we sent our boys over there to their deaths...

Wow, guys...we got one bad guy...it only took thousands of American lives and hundreds of thousands of innocent lives to do it, but woohoo we are making progress! Because of this one guy, it may take a week or two to replace him!!! Wow! Now thats progress.

You truly are ignorant of things aren't you? How old are you? You are the type I was talking about earlier...no clue about life, none.

It's easy for a person like you to put others in harms way, especially since your not the one whos life is at risk...and you call it progress.

What an insult to our troops fighting and dying and their families as well.

Get it through your head...the only progess we will get is if our government gets off their asses and figures out a comprehensive plan to get us out of this mess they got us into.

Oh, by invading Iraq, it did reduce our effectiveness in Afghanistan.

This is war guys

Leading bad guys getting killed is a pretty good thing

This is war guys....that is the dumbest thing you could've said...innocent children being killed...Oh, this is war guys...soldiers getting killed in battle over bullshit...Oh, this is war guys....woman and children getting murdered in the streets....Oh, this is war guys....innocent people being tortured for years, then released with no charges filed against them...Oh, this is war guys...Iraqi Firefighter killed while rescuing a child....oh, this is war guys...young Marine shipped home in a coffin to his family over the holidays...Oh, this is war guys.

...I'm not losing any sleep...

Of course your not, because your not sticking your ass out on the line everyday and night...your going home to the comfort of your nice cushy bed after a nice day of work. Ask the parents of our soldiers if they are losing sleep...I bet they are. Ask the soldiers themselves if they are losing any sleep...I bet they are. Oh wait...this is war guys.

You really need to find out what life is truly about, because you haven't yet. If you had, you would have realized that nothing is worth this much death and violence.

 

[chance1]

You are crazy...

Because you never get it...never. This does not justify or fullfil anything related to Iraq. We created the present Iraq...can you not get that through that thick skull of yours? We opened the gateway to hell so to speak, because we do not have a plan and never really did. we sent our boys over there to their deaths...

Wow, guys...we got one bad guy...it only took thousands of American lives and hundreds of thousands of innocent lives to do it, but woohoo we are making progress! Because of this one guy, it may take a week or two to replace him!!! Wow! Now thats progress.

You truly are ignorant of things aren't you? How old are you? You are the type I was talking about earlier...no clue about life, none.

It's easy for a person like you to put others in harms way, especially since your not the one whos life is at risk...and you call it progress.

What an insult to our troops fighting and dying and their families as well.

Get it through your head...the only progess we will get is if our government gets off their asses and figures out a comprehensive plan to get us out of this mess they got us into.

Oh, by invading Iraq, it did reduce our effectiveness in Afghanistan.



This is war guys....that is the dumbest thing you could've said...innocent children being killed...Oh, this is war guys...soldiers getting killed in battle over bullshit...Oh, this is war guys....woman and children getting murdered in the streets....Oh, this is war guys....innocent people being tortured for years, then released with no charges filed against them...Oh, this is war guys...Iraqi Firefighter killed while rescuing a child....oh, this is war guys...young Marine shipped home in a coffin to his family over the holidays...Oh, this is war guys.


Of course your not, because your not sticking your ass out on the line everyday and night...your going home to the comfort of your nice cushy bed after a nice day of work. Ask the parents of our soldiers if they are losing sleep...I bet they are. Ask the soldiers themselves if they are losing any sleep...I bet they are. Oh wait...this is war guys.

You really need to find out what life is truly about, because you haven't yet. If you had, you would have realized that nothing is worth this much death and violence.

wow - chill man

a couple of thoughts for u

1 - who brought up Iraq?

2 - who said wow? said it's a good thing

3 - thanks for the kudos ryan

4 - put others in harms way? wtf are u talking about? this thread is about a major enemy being killed - where r u going?

5 - it's an insult to our troops that we killed a major enemy head? how so?

you're so busy jumbling up everything with the war in iraq that you're not thinking straight

your post is one giant jumble

and dude - this is war - look it up

Merry Christmas

 

[jackoroe]

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It's real easy to simply say that they don't enlist because they are cowards, and perhaps that's true, but I suspect their unwillingness to get their cracks to Iraq presents other character flaws and ideological defects.

Beyond the logical question of why those who support this war refuse to fight in it, there are other questions:

What gives these "support the war by refusing to fight" right wingers the right to act as if they own the American flag? Or that they, not war opponents, support the troops?

What have they done to advance the interests of the enlisted soldiers in Iraq? And does supporting Bush and the Republican Party indicate support of the combat troops, or simply support of an ideology? And does supporting a president who has failed the combat forces -- a president whose war strategy was stingingly rejected by the voters and by the ISG -- help or indeed harm the enlisted?

Beyond cowardice and selfishness, I don't know exactly why these hypocrites refuse to suit up and ship out, but I do know that they are in the weakest of possible positions to claim themselves patriotic. Indeed, they are Porky Pig Patriots. The fact that almost the entire administration from Bush on down are either deserters, draft-dodgers or neocowards says everything we need to know about political hypocrisy and personal cowardice.

Your continued contention that those who don't join the armed services are cowards, is just flat ridiculous. It is as ridiculous as suggesting that people like yourself, go off and join the insurgents in Iraq if you are in such opposition to US policy. I would remind you that this is a gay discussion board. We are not eligible to be members of the US military unless we lie about who we are. But there is no requirement, nor is it hypocrisy to support a war without actually joining the fight.

No one owns the flag, it belongs to all Americans, due in part to the blood being spilled by our troops. Because of their efforts, people on these boards are allowed to say stupid things as I've seen done in this thread.

I don't know what others have done to advance the cause of our soldiers. I went to any soldier.com and put together a package of stuff to make a soldiers life a little more bearable. I did so not for self aggrandizement, but because it is the right thing to do. It's who I am.

As to any notion of a stinging rejection of anything, you know that not to be true. The last election was exactly what you would expect in the sixth year of a presidential term. The average has been 30 House seats and 6 in the Senate. Look it up if you care. Just a normal election cycle, nothing more.

I'm not really happy with some of the things I've seen in terms of personal attacks as of late. And both sides are guilty. I've seen threads on hate being the religion of conservatives. I've seen people being called "thick skulled" for simply expressing an opinion. I've seen others being pillaried for asking a question.

I don't think you're going to see CE&P flourish until of this childish infighting and flat stupid commentary stops. Sorry for the rant, Merry Christmas to all.

 

[Andreus]

i've said this before and i will say it again...

anyone who has really seen death, really experienced a war...

people who fully realize that it's more than a tv show and a video game...

they always wind up being the greatest advocates of peace.

Ryankeith.... you are just at the beginning of your maddening experience with chance. He baits people into arguements and then screams about how bad and rude people are.

Just know that he will ride you like white on rice for a while now. You dared to disagree with him.

you dared to respect life.

 

[ryankeith]

wow - chill man

a couple of thoughts for u

1 - who brought up Iraq?

2 - who said wow? said it's a good thing

3 - thanks for the kudos ryan

4 - put others in harms way? wtf are u talking about? this thread is about a major enemy being killed - where r u going?

5 - it's an insult to our troops that we killed a major enemy head? how so?

you're so busy jumbling up everything with the war in iraq that you're not thinking straight

your post is one giant jumble

and dude - this is war - look it up

Merry Christmas

You know exactley what I am talking about and so does everyone else on this thread, except your the only one playing dumb about it.

#1- Death of one man, easily replaced, is not progress...like you originally stated.

#2- A comprehensive plan from our governement on its policy in Iraq and Afghanistan with clear, achievable Goals would be considered progress. That may be something to celebrate over.

#3- The death of one man is nothing to celebrate over when thousands of our own soldiers died and hundreds of thousands of innocent lives were taken and continue to do so, despite this man's death... in what you consider progress...a pat on the back for Bush.

#4- War is nothing to celebrate over until it is over and has stopped.

#5- Unless you have experienced war, or been in a situation where death is, or experienced some traumatic events in your life, or do an inherintley dangerous job or suffered the traumatic loss of a person very close to you, you really won't understand what I am saying...and thank you for proving my point. Thats why to you its just a jumble.

I understand where you come from as far as "We beat a bad guy", but you really need to dig deeper and truly think about things around you...or maybe learn from those who have a personal or deeper experience and understanding of these things.

Please, do not try to insult me by trying to make me appear as if I have no clue what I am talking about...because I have far more of a clue and far more experience than you apparently do.

 

[Just_Believe18]

I mentioned "any progress." I do not mean one man's death is the progress that is going to change the war. But I do believe this is good news for Afghanistan and a step in the right direction. This Taliban leader will not be "simply replaced." Read his credentials that the article has listed:

U.S. and Afghan officials said the strike was a major victory. Ahmed Rashid, a leading author on Islamic militancy, said Osmani's death could disrupt planning for a Taliban offensive early next year, designed to extend the recent surge of violence across Afghanistan.
Osmani played an instrumental role in some of the Taliban's most notorious excesses - including the demolition of the ancient Buddha statues in Bamiyan and the trial of Christian aid workers in 2001, Rashid said.
He was also one of three top associates of Taliban leader Mullah Omar, Rashid said, and among the first supporters of Osama bin Laden within the militant Islamic militia's top ranks.

"Anybody" just won't fill his shoes. He's had connections with Omar and even Osama bin Laden. The monster was good at hurting people and now that he's dead, the Afghan people are just that much more safer.

And he helped blow up those beautiful ancient Buddha statues. That was a crime against religion, archeology, and art! Good riddance to a bad man.