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'Tough Talk' on Homosexuality from an Old and Tired Mormon 'Apostle'

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'Tough Talk' on Homosexuality from an Old and Tired Mormon 'Apostle'

Eric Ethington and Pride in Utah rock! Boyd K. Packer lies to his flock. See Eric's interview starting at 1:35 in the clip!


[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iA56Hhl1_m0&feature=sub[/ame]


Top Mormon 'Apostle': We will always oppose Satan's fake marriages (transcript):

We raise an alarm and warn members of the Church to wake up and understand what's going on. Parents be alert, ever watchful, that this wickedness might threaten your family circle. We teach a standard of moral conduct that will protect us from Satan's many substitutes and counterfeits for marriage. We must understand that any persuasion to enter into any relationship that is not in harmony with the principles of the Gospel must be wrong. In the Book of Mormon we learn that "wickedness never was happiness." Some suppose that they were "pre-set" and cannot overcome what they feel are inborn tendencies toward the impure and the unnatural. Not so. Why would our Heavenly Father do that to anyone? Remember, He is our Father.

Paul promised, "God will not suffer you to be tempted above what ye are able, but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it." You can if you will, break the habits and conquer the addiction and come away from that which is not worthy of any member of the church. As Alma cautioned, we must "watch and pray continually." Isaiah warned, "Wo unto them that call evil good and good evil, that put darkness for light and light for darkness, that put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter."

Years ago, I visited a school in Albuquerque. The teacher told me about a youngster who brought a kitten to class. As you can imagine, that disrupted everything. She had him hold up the kitten in front of the children. It went well until one of the children asked, "Is it a boy kitty or a girl kitty?" Not wanting to get into that lesson, the teacher said, "It doesn't matter, it's just a kitty." But they persisted. Finally one boy raised his hand and said, "I know how you can tell." Resigned to face it, the teacher said, "How can you tell?" And the student answered, "You can vote on it."

You may laugh at the story. But, if we're not alert, there are those today who not only tolerate but advocate voting to change lives that would legalize immorality. As if a vote would somehow alter the designs of God's laws of nature. A law against nature would be impossible to enforce. For instance, what good would the law against - a vote against - the law of gravity do?

There are both moral and physical laws irrevocably decreed in Heaven before the foundation of the world that cannot be changed. History demonstrates over and over again that moral standards cannot be changed by battle and cannot be changed by ballot. To legalize that which is basically wrong or evil will not prevent the pain and penalties that will follow as surely as night follows day.

Regardless of the opposition, we are determined to stay on course. We will hold to the principles and laws and ordinances of the Gospel. If they are misunderstood, either innocently or willfully, so be it. We cannot change, we will not change the moral standards. We quickly lose our way when we disobey the laws of God.
 
Signed it.

I have a religious belief that God wants Boyd Packer to die in a fire. Would that justify my committing arson to bring this about?

I don't think so, but his "logic" would support that.
 
Gee, that story about the kitty really puts things into perspective, doesn't it ?

:rolleyes:

I can't believe people fall for such convoluted logic. Fear and guilt are powerful motivators...
 
There sure are alot of nuts out there. There's also a thread here where some dopey Senator advocates unmarried women and gay men not be able to teach. How do educated people fall for this horseshit.
 
I wish that there was a way to publicly humiliate anti-gay leaders. They should be ashamed of themselves. The government can't really punish them because of the separation of church and state...but maybe individuals or an organization could be created to humiliate these people...there by making harder for people to get away with it.

I think I got it! we...it is just my first idea....well second one...but the first one is unrealistic.

What if we created the "Bloody Hands Award" and we could send out press releases. The award would go to the worst offenders. hmmm...

"Awarded the Bloody Hands Award as a constant reminder of the the harm and lives taken from your actions. May you suffer as much as the suffering you have caused others."
 
It just goes to show you what a joke the Mormons really are.
personally I cant stand those muther fuckers and I hope they choke and die on their precious book of mormon!
 
It just goes to show you what a joke the Mormons really are.
personally I cant stand those muther fuckers and I hope they choke and die on their precious book of mormon!

Whoa there. I don't think much of Mormons generally and especially of the Mormon Church, but there IS a movement of Mormons pushing for a more rational position on gays.

All I'm saying is, don't wish choking death on too broad a group. Even in that enemy camp we have friends.
 
Whoa there. I don't think much of Mormons generally and especially of the Mormon Church, but there IS a movement of Mormons pushing for a more rational position on gays.

All I'm saying is, don't wish choking death on too broad a group. Even in that enemy camp we have friends.

Yeah your right. but I do sometimes have a tendancy to be blinded by rage from this kind of horseshit sometimes:mad:
 
What do you expect form the Mormon cult? As if this dipshit who previously advocated for polygamy has any room to talk about morals. The Moron Church is just another in a long list of cults that need to be wiped from the face of the Earth.
 
What do you expect form the Mormon cult? As if this dipshit who previously advocated for polygamy has any room to talk about morals. The Moron Church is just another in a long list of cults that need to be wiped from the face of the Earth.

I'd just like to point out that this could be taken as calling for the mass murder of Mormons. I don't think you meant it that way; I think that, like me, you'd like them to either convert to something sane, lose their faith completely, or at least leave the rest of us alone. But your words do sound like what Ahmadinejad says about Israel, and no amount of back-pedaling can conceal what we know very well he meant.

You might want to take care with such rhetoric, is all I'm saying.
 
This is a man who believes that the founder of his religion was inspired by an angel to a hill outside his home in New York, where he discovered a box, the contents of which were thin golden pages containing words written in an Egyptian language. Before anyone could see these relics, he must translate them, by covering his face with a hat, in which he placed a "seer stone" (which have helped him to discover lost items and buried treasures in the past). The content of these pages you ask? Well, Jesus of Nazareth swung by America for a while, among other things.

I would advise anyone, that whatever this man says, be sure that the opposite is true. Because so far, that seems to be the case.

An episode of South Park summed it up with surprising accuracy... ..|
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7ylLgqMkFI[/ame]
 
I'd just like to point out that this could be taken as calling for the mass murder of Mormons. I don't think you meant it that way; I think that, like me, you'd like them to either convert to something sane, lose their faith completely, or at least leave the rest of us alone. But your words do sound like what Ahmadinejad says about Israel, and no amount of back-pedaling can conceal what we know very well he meant.

You might want to take care with such rhetoric, is all I'm saying.

Apparently your English isn't up to snuff. I said the "Moron / Mormon Church", not it's followers or "Mormons" at large. For without the church their beliefs disappear like a fart in the wind. But more telling is that the OP's video had such hateful rhetoric towards gay people that "could be taken as the mass murder of gay people", doncha' know. So spare me your fake outrage and petty pissy points you're still sore over from threads of yesteryear.

And if you're going to compare my words or myself to Iran's Ahmadinejad, then I'll one up you and call you Hitler, for trying to sow some other website and hate. :rolleyes:

Besides, Jesus said it best about the Mormon Church; "You are the biggest disappointment since the crucifixion!"
 
Apparently your English isn't up to snuff. I said the "Moron / Mormon Church", not it's followers or "Mormons" at large. For without the church their beliefs disappear like a fart in the wind. But more telling is that the OP's video had such hateful rhetoric towards gay people that "could be taken as the mass murder of gay people", doncha' know. So spare me your fake outrage and petty pissy points you're still sore over from threads of yesteryear.

And if you're going to compare my words or myself to Iran's Ahmadinejad, then I'll one up you and call you Hitler, for trying to sow some other website and hate. :rolleyes:

Besides, Jesus said it best about the Mormon Church; "You are the biggest disappointment since the crucifixion!"

Good grief. I had thought we were on pretty good terms, actually. I guess not. That saddens me.

The evil bastard on the video is indeed engaging in that same sort of rhetoric. If he were on my side, I would call him on it. Also...I'd hope our standards of behavior are better than him, or why go on at all? He's a scumbag; we're not; we have to avoid scumbag rhetoric, or rhetoric that could be misinterpreted as scumbaggish (as is the case here, since I know you didn't mean Mormons should be slaughtered).

As for Ahmadinejad, my point is that the "wipe from the face of the Earth" line is one he's used, and that your comment might be heard in a similar way (given the context of him having used those words). I didn't mean to compare you to him in any sense, and I'm sorry I wasn't clearer about that.

You're free to disagree. I will refrain from cautioning you about rhetorical tropes and unintentional dogwhistles, since you clearly resent it so strongly. I'm sorry you feel that way, honestly.
 
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