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Transexuals competing in women's sports

Latimer

Latimer

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Bobby Riggs lost to Billie Jean King.
 
Strength, musculature and bone density shift on hormones. As for Navratilova, her complaint is ironic because she won in her match with Renee Richards, if memory serves.
 
She's right, it is cheating, give the the transexuals there own competitions.
 
luckynumbah7 said:
Strength, musculature and bone density shift on hormones. As for Navratilova, her complaint is ironic because she won in her match with Renee Richards, if memory serves.
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Both pieces address the issues you raise, as well as Navratilova's reason for her Sunday Times opinion piece--which she only wrote after having researched those issues. As for Richards, this quote is from the City Journal article:

Renee Richards, the pioneer of trans athletics, has walked back her belief in the justice of her cause. “I think transsexuals have every right to play, but maybe not at the professional level, because it’s not a level playing field,” she now says. “I know if I’d had surgery at the age of 22, and then at 24 went on the tour, no genetic woman in the world would have been able to come close to me. And so I’ve reconsidered my opinion.”
 
Cormac135 said:
She's right, it is cheating, give the the transexuals there own competitions.
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I'm afraid you're going to have to explain exactly how it's cheating and in what way with what sport using science and medical information as your lead.

And you'll have to be explaining why other beneficial-to-a-sport medical 'anomalies' get a free pass so long as gender or sex isn't involved and why that doesn't count as cheating, since it does tie in.

Personally I'd also like to know why cis guys raising their hormone levels to normal and just not telling while trans guy athletes with comparable hormone levels were roundly barred till 2016 wasn't a hell of a double standard.

But only because i feel like being generous by giving a heads up on a couple of the great flaws within other's arguments.

Feel free to link to whatever (peer reviewed) scientific and medical info you'd like. But I'd be remiss in not pointing out that, before you do, you might want to research a little before clinging to those guns.
 
LatimerRd said:
Both pieces address the issues you raise, as well as Navratilova's reason for her Sunday Times opinion piece--which she only wrote after having researched those issues. As for Richards, this quote is from the City Journal article:

Renee Richards, the pioneer of trans athletics, has walked back her belief in the justice of her cause. “I think transsexuals have every right to play, but maybe not at the professional level, because it’s not a level playing field,” she now says. “I know if I’d had surgery at the age of 22, and then at 24 went on the tour, no genetic woman in the world would have been able to come close to me. And so I’ve reconsidered my opinion.”
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Then she, too, needs to crack open a book. Because it isn't the surgery that matters - it's hormone's affects on the body.

And no, the pieces you linked addressed fuckall.
 
If you want to argue for a point then you use medical research. You do not deliberately limit your medical research by pretending an opinion piece has the same type of validity as current medical knowledge.

And the info about hormones affects on the body exists. It just isn't headed under 'sports studies'.
 
Even long time feminist Germaine Greer says men who transition are still not female. She gets picketed and banned from speaking.
 
sort of agree with Martina ---but don't know enough on the subject--have a semi-famous, very smart trans cousin maybe I should ask her.:D
 
I have conflicting thoughts on this. I am leaning toward not including transgender people in competitive sports, but need more information to really make up my mind.
 
Lucky, no matter how well reasoned your posts, there will always be people who think it wrong that a one time man, after transition can compete as a female to be wrong.

Ignorance abounds on this subject.
 
medic1 said:
Lucky, no matter how well reasoned your posts, there will always be people who think it wrong that a one time man, after transition can compete as a female to be wrong.

Ignorance abounds on this subject.
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Well, I certainly can't disagree there.

But the beauty of informational posts is that they're really useful because they have the info easily available for public viewing - doesn't tend to let people rest their view on the old adage 'Everyone has a right to their opinion'.

I mean, I believe everyone and their dog would agree a 'neutral' opinion is 'I like Swiss cheese more than cheddar'. But once facts come into play it is no longer 'merely' an opinion. It's an opinion with discriminating teeth, and something I believe people have no right to express without correction.

But in the interests of light heartedness (and if words were bullets instead of sticks & stones), here's some Carlin on 'rights'.

 
I believe nobody has transitioned just for the purpose of winning women's sport competitions.

Trans golfer Mianne Bagger competed some years ago on the LPGA tour. She achieved only small success, never winning a tour event.

And remember tennis' Renee Richards? She certainly didn't dominate the sport.

Let trans athletes compete with their gender presentation.
 
Thanks for the lengthy link. Although I didn't finish it, I noted many interesting points.
 
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