Trump is actually going to win this.

[Kulindahr]

Let's start a poll: on what date do you think Donnie Boy will launch the nuclear missiles?

I'm more interested in the date he first gets shot at.

 

[Kulindahr]

All the while Trump was insisting that the polling was rigged....some cheating, some nonsense.

Unless Trump was telling the truth, and the polls were rigged in his favour....some joke

I've been looking at the results with just that in mind, but without knowing more about how the different states -- especially Florida and Pennsylvania -- cast and count ballots, it's just a mind game. The thing is that in order to get away with cheating, it has to be done in places where the altered numbers don't surprise anyone and where the race is fairly close, and that's also hard to know without really understanding the voting map.

 

[Kulindahr]

Ah well. I guess it's part of the decline of a super power.
Too involved in domestic affairs and isolationism, and spreading misinformation for short term gain to see the rest of the world moving on.

I wonder who will be the world's champion for human rights and democracy now, if anyone?

It happened to Rome, when wealth started to get super-concentrated in just a few hands, and it's happened in other large powers as well: a vast gulf between the wealthy and the rest means people can't be bothered to pay attention to anything but local matters, because those are the obvious ones tied to their own survival. The only stable way forward is to substantially disperse wealth.

 

[Kulindahr]

I agree that actions are much more important, than words used during an election campaign.

With both houses controlled by The Republicans we can expect some rapid progress.

Wait, and see....

Unless one party has sixty seats in the Senate it can't be said to control that house. Watch for some nasty fights there.

 

[Kulindahr]

I see the positives,
he said he is going to invest in infrastructure all over the country.
If he don't follow thro, you know what happened to the people who broken their promises.

He pretty much has to go for infrastructure, especially transportation, as that is the one area where people without college degrees can make good wages.

But he's going to have to whip the Tea Party into line to do that; they've been adamantly opposed to even repairing the interstate system, let alone investing in the U.S. highway system. That's going to be interesting to watch, because they're going to expect him to not increase the debt but won't move to raise taxes to patriotic levels to do what's needed.

 

[Kulindahr]

The problem is the Electoral College which should be done away with. Clinton won the popular vote by 238,156 votes.

Frim NPR
"As of 12:33 p.m. ET, Clinton had amassed 59,583,144 votes nationally, to Trump's 59,344,988 — a margin of 238,156 that puts Clinton on track to become the fifth U.S. presidential candidate to win the popular vote but lose the election."

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...clinton-surpasses-trump-in-popular-vote-tally

No, if anything the Electoral College should be strengthened so small states have a bigger say. Small states get almost no attention as it is; doing away with the electoral college would end any influence they have.

Moving toward greater direct democracy has already harmed the U.S., perhaps most egregiously in making the Senate popularly elected and thus guaranteeing that U.S. senators will spend more time raising money and rewarding wealthy supporters than actually doing their jobs. We don't need to make it worse.

 

[BillyT]

I'm more interested in the date he first gets shot at.

Well they did support him. So it might as well be one of his own.

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[BillyT]

No, if anything the Electoral College should be strengthened so small states have a bigger say. Small states get almost no attention as it is; doing away with the electoral college would end any influence they have.

Moving toward greater direct democracy has already harmed the U.S., perhaps most egregiously in making the Senate popularly elected and thus guaranteeing that U.S. senators will spend more time raising money and rewarding wealthy supporters than actually doing their jobs. We don't need to make it worse.

The College is like the House it is based on the population of the state.

 

[BillyT]

I've been looking at the results with just that in mind, but without knowing more about how the different states -- especially Florida and Pennsylvania -- cast and count ballots, it's just a mind game. The thing is that in order to get away with cheating, it has to be done in places where the altered numbers don't surprise anyone and where the race is fairly close, and that's also hard to know without really understanding the voting map.

In Florida each county has their own Supervisor of Elections which some are Republican and some Democrat. We use a paper ballot that is marked with a marker and when that is done the voter puts it in optical scanner that counts the votes. At the end of voting those counts are transmitted to Election headquarters and sent to Tallahassee. If a recount is needed all voter ballots are ran back through the scanners.

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[Kulindahr]

Well they did support him. So it might as well be one of his own.

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Totally clueless.....

As someone noted here recently, there are lots of liberals with guns. And as is plainly evident from talk on the 'net, there are plenty of liberals who think that anyone who disagrees with them should be shot.


Or was this meant as humor?

 

[Kulindahr]

The College is like the House it is based on the population of the state.

Close but not quite.

 

[Kulindahr]

In Florida each county has their own Supervisor of Elections which some are Republican and some Democrat. We use a paper ballot that is marked with a marker and when that is done the voter puts it in optical scanner that counts the votes. At the end of voting those counts are transmitted to Election headquarters and sent to Tallahassee. If a recount is needed all voter ballots are ran back through the scanners.

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If the scanners are connected to the internet, there's a huge open door for hacking the results.

I'm constantly amazed at the astounding naivete of people who think the internet would be a great tool for a more open democracy, when what it really would be is a great tool for manipulated democracy.

 

[MystikWizard]

The media gave to much air time on Trump.
They wasted their Camera equipment, live feed gear ... etc on him and they paid the penalty for that.

Their coverage of Trump was all negative. Try again.

Voters didn't vote for Trump as much as they voted against Hillary Clinton. Still in defeat, blind to the truth of the matter that she is viewed as a corrupt politician who cheated/colluded with the DNC to rig the Primaries in her favor. Her supporters can deny it to the end of time, but that is why she lost.

The other half of the DNC returned the favor last night.

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I wonder how many spoiled ballots there were? I'm hearing of people writing Bernie Sanders on the ballot... people do stupid shit like that here, such as marking an X on every party except for the one they don't want. They think they're making a deep political statement, when in reality, no one will know about it except for the people counting the votes, and they will take a 0.00005 second look at it before tossing it in the bin without thinking twice.

I did that. I guess enough people did that or stayed home that it did make a difference. Lesson learned for Hillary supporters. Don't spit in the wind.

 

[MystikWizard]

What the fuck has America done?

Oh my God.

The arrogance of the DNC, the Media, and the Clintons made this happen. Tried to tell you months ago and you didn't want to listen. Does pushing a corrupt candidate and ignoring the Liberal Wing of the Democratic Party sound like a good idea, now?

It sure did back in the Primaries.

 

[eastofeden]

The arrogance of the DNC, the Media, and the Clintons made this happen. Tried to tell you months ago and you didn't want to listen. Does pushing a corrupt candidate and ignoring the Liberal Wing of the Democratic Party sound like a good idea, now?

It sure did back in the Primaries.

Payback is a bitch.....I promise you.....gloat all you like now.....

 

[Kulindahr]

Payback is a bitch.....I promise you.....gloat all you like now.....

Maybe this will serve as an impetus to Democrats to try to end the two-party system.

It certainly should -- if the GOP were the three (or more) parties it is in fact if not political necessity, Trump wouldn't have had a chance.

 

[evanrick]

Unless one party has sixty seats in the Senate it can't be said to control that house. Watch for some nasty fights there.

there is no constitutional requirement for 60 votes to break a filibuster, that is a senate rule and can be changed with a simple majority vote of the senate.

 

[Kabluey]

Payback is a bitch.....I promise you.....gloat all you like now.....

In actively campaigning against the candidate most aligned with their beliefs, people like mystic simply did the work of Trump.

 

[eastofeden]

Maybe this will serve as an impetus to Democrats to try to end the two-party system.

It certainly should -- if the GOP were the three (or more) parties it is in fact if not political necessity, Trump wouldn't have had a chance.

The Democrats are already split....I don't actually care now..the Supreme Court will be fucked now for the rest of my life so I am free what do what I like as well....

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In actively campaigning against the candidate most aligned with their beliefs, people like mystic simply did the work of Trump.

It will come back to them....I promise. Millions of women will never forget what the Bernie Bros did.....

 

[MystikWizard]

The Democrats are already split....

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It will come back to them....I promise. Millions of women will never forget what the Bernie Bros did.....

That's fine. You can continue losing elections by pushing Establishment Candidates. Maybe you will finally get that we do not vote for people based on their body parts. Keep it up.