Trump takes the US back 80 years!

[bankside]

No. From your post, I can only imagine that you do not object to Trump's action.

Do pink triangles mean anything to you?

Okay I’m just gonna finish on this note:
From my post you can literally only imagine that I don’t object to Trump’s actions, because that’s totally in your head and not in my post. I’m inclined to overlook your offensive jibes about my ignorance of the history of the holocaust in view of your general confusion about my views. I’ve tried to see where we got off on the wrong foot with this but you’re confused and not interested. Good luck.

 

[frankfrank]

^ and

Why are Americans tolerating this? Do they even know this is going on? Why aren't there thousands of people amassing around the White House demanding either his impeachment or his resignation? This is NOT the United States of just a few years ago. It is a completely different country now.

Don't look at me to give you an answer. I don't think anything in my entire lifetime has perplexed me as much as this (let alone the Talibangelicals lining up en masse behind him, as he does and says possibly the most horrifically anti-Christian things I can remember from anybody). He is hellbent on destroying humanity, and NEXT will probably be multi-billion dollar grants for companies to remove all environmental protections and spew poisons and carbon at will.

You'd better learn to like the taste of corn starch and gelatin, because chemotherapy meds, etc. will be nothing else, with no active ingredients. After all, Big Pharma will get really rich because they'll still charge hundreds or even thousands of dollars per dose.

Oh. After putting yellow on the immigrants, he will probably be SO transparent that "teh gays" will have pink triangle tats on their foreheads. He already knows that he can be blatantly open about his racism and bigotry and hate, and his base will just eat it up.

Well, I'm glad you're defending the 'Hitler' actions of your president. You must be so proud.

Don't forget. We are moving forward whereas you...

I can't see, either, where Bankside is being soft on President Chaos; not at all. Your posts don't usually confuse me.

As Bankside, I also thought you intended to reply to somebody else. After all, telling Bankside that he's "your president" is impossible, because Bankside is Canadian. Please show me where he was supporting D...ump.

 

[gsdx]

If I misunderstood and was wrong, I apologise. I read what I read and responded based upon that.

 

[opinterph]

WRT to these bracelets …

Jacinto wore a yellow bracelet on her left wrist, which defense lawyers said identifies parents who are arrested with their children and prosecuted in Operation Streamline, a fast-track program for illegal border crossers.

Parents, children ensnared in 'zero-tolerance' border prosecutions (Tucson.com; May 25, 2018)

Is the problem with the color of the bracelet or the fact that a color-code has been implemented to differentiate between different types of detainees?

 

[rareboy]

It is such an efficient way of classifying the 'Other'.

 

[rareboy]

But you know what?

Tattoos make it way easier to keep track of the people in your camps.

 

[Pierresro]

Even an ass hole asting like Hitler is Dangerous. SO glad This Amerian with Pass ports for the states and England and now a resident of Spain will never set foot in America until the Nazi Repblican party is removed!

 

[opinterph]

But you know what?

Tattoos make it way easier to keep track of the people in your camps.

Do you equate the use of wristbands at US detention facilities to the tattooing of camp serial numbers at Auschwitz?

 

[gsdx]

^ It seems to me that those wristbands were earned and that the general public never sees them.

 

[opinterph]

^ It seems to me that those wristbands were earned and that the general public never sees them.

What do you mean by “earned?”

 

[gsdx]

^ They wouldn't be wearing them if they hadn't broken the law, and they come of when they get out of prison, don't they?

 

[opinterph]

^ They wouldn't be wearing them if they hadn't broken the law, and they come [off] when they get out of prison, don't they?

Okay. Crossing the border illegally is a crime, so I suppose “earned” is one word that can be used to describe the justification for their classification and use of the associated system of identifying them.

I will note that persons seeking asylum who enter through normal border crossing points do not violate US or international law – it is only illegal to seek asylum by entering the country through unofficial means. (I am not sure if the wristband policy extends to persons who enter legally.)

Yes, the wristbands come off when they leave the detention center.

 

[rareboy]

Do you equate the use of wristbands at US detention facilities to the tattooing of camp serial numbers at Auschwitz?

Not in the least. Absolutely not.

But Germany didn't start out by tattooing 'undesirables' either.

It was a bureaucratic desire for efficiency that led them one little step at a time to a final solution.

 

[opinterph]

It was a bureaucratic desire for efficiency that led [the German Nazis] one little step at a time to a final solution.

Our whole world is somewhat obsessed with efficiency. It has created a dependency on technology and in business often spells the difference between marginal profits and remarkable success.

 

[opinterph]

… the immigrant’s Alien Number, also known as an “A-Number” … is typically an eight- or nine-digit number located on most documents the immigrant receives from ICE or the immigration court. It is also often located on the bracelet or other jail identification that the immigrant may have.

[Link]

Some wristbands even include RFID chips.

Detainee RFID Wristbands Help Jails Save Money, Time, And Resources By Working Faster And Increasing Productivity

 

[opinterph]

Agree or disagree, but I find it somewhat disturbing that a number of “fringe” websites are using the term “insignias” to describe these colored bracelets (wristbands). That seems unnecessarily (or perhaps intentionally) inflammatory. Comparing the bracelets to identification methods from the Holocaust certainly seems like fear mongering, which is one of the ways President Trump motivates his supporters.

In some ways, Trump’s dark language [has] been matched by the left. In the early weeks of his Administration, some critics have sounded apocalyptic warnings about his presidency, with scholars and activists alike making comparisons to Adolf Hitler’s genocidal Nazi regime.

No President Has Spread Fear Like Donald Trump (Time; February 2017)

https://washingtonpress.com/2018/05/24/trump-has-just-begun-forcing-detained-immigrants-to-wear-yellow-insignias/

Trump has just begun forcing detained immigrants to wear yellow insignias

In review, Washington Press presents news with a borderline extreme left wing bias that always favors the left and is always anti-Trump and the political right. There is frequent and very strong use of loaded words in both headlines and articles … [Media Bias/Fact Check]

 

[opinterph]

What is perhaps fascinating is the fact that these wristbands are nothing new. The detainee category of “parents who are arrested with their children and prosecuted in Operation Streamline” (and the yellow color of the band) most certainly is new and maybe that represents a problem that needs to be talked about. But the alarm some people are sounding with regard to these bracelets has apparently only become a matter of grave concern because of Trump.

Consider the following directive from December 2008:

ICE/DRO DETENTION STANDARD
CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM

V. EXPECTED PRACTICES

C. Intake/Processing Officer Duties (Initial Classification)

SPC = Service Processing Centers
DRO = Contract Detention Facilities

The classification officer assigned to intake processing will review the detainee's A- file, work-folder and information provided by ICE/DRO to identify and classify each new arrival according to the Detention Classification System (DCS). Pending receipt and processing of information needed for classification, the facility shall administratively segregate the detainee from the general population.

In SPCs and CDFs, upon completion of the classification process, the officer shall place all original paperwork relating to the detainee's assessment and classification in the A-file (right side), and a copy in the detention file.

In SPCs and CDFs, upon completion of the classification process, staff shall assign individual detainee’s color-coded uniforms and wristbands as follows:

Dark Red = Level 3 (Highest Security)
Bright Orange = Level 2 (Medium)
Dark Blue = Level 1 (Lowest)

This single system of color-coding permits staff to identify a detainee’s classification on sight thus eliminating confusion, preventing miscommunication with potentially serious consequences, and facilitating consistent treatment of detainees.

Illustration of Red and Orange classifications:

Illustration of Blue classification:

The same basic color-coding for immigrant detainees dates all the way back to the early days of the GW Bush Administration. And contemporary color-coding of prisoners in the US dates all the way back to the Clinton Administration.

 

[andysayshi]

I am far from a Trump supporter, but washingtonpress.com is hardly a reliable news source.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/washington-press/

Facts are facts. I like to call out conservatives who don't use reliable sources for information, and its only fair to do it the other way around.

Thanks for posting some more specific and reliable info, Opinterph!

 

[bankside]

What is perhaps fascinating is the fact that these wristbands are nothing new. The detainee category of “parents who are arrested with their children and prosecuted in Operation Streamline” (and the yellow color of the band) most certainly is new and maybe that represents a problem that needs to be talked about. But the alarm some people are sounding with regard to these bracelets has apparently only become a matter of grave concern because of Trump.

Consider the following directive from December 2008:



Illustration of Red and Orange classifications:

Illustration of Blue classification:

The same basic color-coding for immigrant detainees dates all the way back to the early days of the GW Bush Administration. And contemporary color-coding of prisoners in the US dates all the way back to the Clinton Administration.

These are all reasoned calls for a sober evaluation of the significance. Some means of identifying detainees is commonplace. What does need to be taken into account is the unique context. How did Clinton or Obama Or Bush Junior for that matter frame the national conversation about immigrants? To my recollection: we’re a nation of immigrants. We welcome people from around the world. There are rules, maybe tougher, maybe more forgiving depending on the year and the administration. But we all affirm the dignity and humanity of our fellow humans, even if they aren’t eligible to be here and even if we have to deport them.” You can get that from the messaging; it was a political football, milked for advantage by both sides in various elections, but there was a consensus on some respect for human dignity even from the hawks.

If people respond by linking Trump’s administrations to Hitler’s, is that fearmongering out of thin air? Or does the context and the conversations for which the President is responsible, which tend to dehumanise foreigners and brand them as inferior and dangerous, compel sensible people with some knowledge of history to soberly examine the parallels. The bracelets may be same-old-same-old, but something else is different. Never again, as they say. Never again.

 

[rareboy]

These are all reasoned calls for a sober evaluation of the significance. Some means of identifying detainees is commonplace. What does need to be taken into account is the unique context. How did Clinton or Obama Or Bush Junior for that matter frame the national conversation about immigrants? To my recollection: we’re a nation of immigrants. We welcome people from around the world. There are rules, maybe tougher, maybe more forgiving depending on the year and the administration. But we all affirm the dignity and humanity of our fellow humans, even if they aren’t eligible to be here and even if we have to deport them.” You can get that from the messaging; it was a political football, milked for advantage by both sides in various elections, but there was a consensus on some respect for human dignity even from the hawks.

If people respond by linking Trump’s administrations to Hitler’s, is that fearmongering out of thin air? Or does the context and the conversations for which the President is responsible, which tend to dehumanise foreigners and brand them as inferior and dangerous, compel sensible people with some knowledge of history to soberly examine the parallels. The bracelets may be same-old-same-old, but something else is different. Never again, as they say. Never again.

Pretty much this. The Trump era is normalizing all of this to a new degree. Perhaps it is the increased incidence of families now being ripped apart. Perhaps it is the glee that Jeff Sessions and Trump exhibit when inflicting such pain that is new and different.

There is no question that the dehumanizing of immigrants has become the core of White House messaging. That is different.