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Trump this.

rareboy said:
Psychopathy is a look into the heart of evil.

And that is what Trump is. A psychopath.
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That rings true and makes alot of sense.

I think my difficulty is that I have an achilles heel when it comes to understanding evil. I don't know how to understand it or have whatever it takes to understand it.
 
There is a difference between consciously trying to hurt someone and hurting through ignorance. Legally this is called mens rea and is necessary to commit a crime usually. It's also why an insanity defense goes to great lengths to establish there was no intent to harm.

Functionally they are the same evil.

There is really no point in trying to understand the toad, he's insane. Like a tornado, he does his damage and then we just have to pick up the pieces.

He won't ever feel remorse, won't ever accept responsibility, won't even ever admit he was wrong, won't ever admit he lies, won't ever admit he's a sexual predator, OR EVEN that the disaster he caused ever occurred in the first place.

We have to punish the enablers who promote and profit off of his insanity.
 
rareboy said:
Psychopathy is a look into the heart of evil.

And that is what Trump is. A psychopath.
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The question is, which is the chicken and which is the egg?

Or is the relationship so circular, that his psychopathy makes him do more evil deeds; and his evil deeds drive him into increasing madness?
 
gsdx said:
Why not? It's still a choice.
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I agree but that is also the point where I get feedback that the evil is due to the mental illness which is when I get confused. I have always tried to get a definitive answer but it is difficult if, in fact, there is a definitive answer.

I am not religious but way too often I have this awful feeling like he is the devil and I can't shake it which is a problem because I am not sure if I even believe in that. I have the same feeling about Hitler and a few other people as well.
 
I think it's clearly a circle: the mental illness and the evil reinforce each other.

A question: do we consider psychopathy (or its sister, sociopathy) to be a mental illness?

One thing I've come to understand in the past few years, especially after articles like this one, which made quite a splash --

www.theatlantic.com

When Your Child Is a Psychopath

The condition has long been considered untreatable. Experts can spot it in a child as young as 3 or 4. But a new clinical approach offers hope.
www.theatlantic.com www.theatlantic.com

-- is that psychopaths seem literally unable to understand the concept of evil as the rest of us understand it.

They understand their own self-interest and their own pleasure, and that's it. (When they're deliberately cruel, it's because they derive pleasure from it.) And they understand that they need to lie about the evil things they do because other people don't like those evil things, but that's just self-interest (meaning ass-covering); they don't get why other people think something is evil and they don't care.

To me one of the clearest signs of Trump being a psychopath is his complete inability to distinguish between what's good for him and what might be good for the United States. That's how he could call harsh criticism of him "treason" and mean it.

And it seems that psychopaths (and sociopaths) are born that way. That terrifies me: it means that I could have been born a psychopath myself and gone on to remorselessly harm people that way. It means I could be born that way next time around, or the time after that. And I wouldn't be able to get why harming people was wrong. [shudder]

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The Atlantic article is behind the paywall, but there's an audio version here:

https://soundcloud.com/user-154380542%2Fwhen-your-child-is-a-psychopath-the-atlantic-barbara-bradley-hagerty
 
LoveMyPeppermill said:
I think it's clearly a circle: the mental illness and the evil reinforce each other.

A question: do we consider psychopathy (or its sister, sociopathy) to be a mental illness?
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It's a matter of degrees.

The bible of the psychiatric profession is the Diagnostic and Statistics Manual. "Sociopathy" in the DSM is called "Antisocial Personality Disorder" (APD). "Psychopathy" can refer to either APD or occasionally, "Borderline Personality Disorder" (BPD).

The problem with Trump is that he is so damaged an individual that no one can pin an exact diagnosis on his behavior. The general consensus is that he is an extreme example of Narcissistic Personality Disorder but he also shows signs of other personality disorders - he has the cruelty and lack of empathy of APD but he's also needy and self-destructive like BPD.

The most shocking thing of all is that he has a host of Republican enablers. They know he's unfit. They know he's a danger. But they just can't quit him.
 
They know he's unfit. They know he's a danger. And they won't quit him.

They know he brought out of the woodwork a whole bunch of deplorables who never bothered to vote before (or, at best, voted occasionally and without much enthusiasm). They know these deplorables identify with Trump a lot. (Trump, of course, doesn't give a fuck about them except as ways for him to get attention, money, and votes.)

And the Republicans know that they'll lose a bunch of elections if those deplorables go back into the woodwork -- or, worse, start voting for a separate Trump Party instead of the GOP.
 
LoveMyPeppermill said:
They know he's unfit. They know he's a danger. And they won't quit him.

They know he brought out of the woodwork a whole bunch of deplorables who never bothered to vote before (or, at best, voted occasionally and without much enthusiasm). They know these deplorables identify with Trump a lot. (Trump, of course, doesn't give a fuck about them except as ways for him to get attention, money, and votes.)

And the Republicans know that they'll lose a bunch of elections if those deplorables go back into the woodwork -- or, worse, start voting for a separate Trump Party instead of the GOP.
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This is the crux of it. IF the GQP lose the Trumpist fringe, they lose forever.

Which is why they are panicking and changing the rules in order to ensure perpetual minority rule.

Because at some point, Trump will be gone. And there will be a huge gap left which will be hard to fill. DeSantis is trying to be that outsized right wing figure, but he lacks the kind of showmanship and mythos that Trump lent the GOP...transforming it into an openly fascist leaning populist movement built on rage.
 
What happens when most people mishandle Top Secret US Government documents:


When Trump mishandles Top Secret US Government documents:
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How the fuck does a 21 year old National Guardsman get his hands on this kind of information?


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..."new reporting suggests the former president could have additional criminal concerns — namely, wire fraud...The Washington Post reported Wednesday, (April 12), citing eight anonymous sources, that federal prosecutors have recently 'sought [fundraising documents] after the 2020 election, looking to determine if former President Donald Trump or his advisers scammed donors by using false claims about voter fraud to raise money..."
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RUN TOAD! THAT'S YYYYUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! Wire fraud to the tune of tens of millions of dollars!

:gogirl: That one didn't even occur to me.

Let us pray...🙏
 
I am on the edge of my seat waiting for the first wire fraud indictment.

Because that is the moment, you KNOW they got them and shit's about to get real. Like a RICO.
 
Trump was in a 7 hour (or 8, depending on the news outlet) deposition with the NY Attorney General's office yesterday.

apnews.com

Trump answers questions for 7 hours in NY fraud lawsuit

Former President Donald Trump has visited the offices of New York’s attorney general for his second deposition in a legal battle over his company’s business practices, answering questions for around seven hours instead of invoking his Fifth Amendment protection against self-incrimination. The...
apnews.com apnews.com


I'm sure that went well. :rotflmao:
 
I'm not getting something here.

Why would he do this?

And how could he even help himself from not lying?
 
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