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Trump this.

^ I don't know. I've never made one.

In all sincerity, though, I was just making a joke.

Note To Self: Stop Making Jokes.
 
cityboy-stl said:
Campaign donations in the U.S. are not tax-deductible. Are they deductible in Canada?
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A small modification: if you're giving to the 501(c)(3) side of the political organization, it's deductible. For example, conservative annoy-Democrats-with Lawsuits organization, Judicial Watch, is a 501(c)(3) "crime prevention" charitable organization. The millions that donors pour into it are tax deductible.

Here's Tom Fitton of Judicial Watch on Fox News doing his best to prevent crime:


However, the IRS rules say that a charitable deduction can only be taken if you received nothing of value in return. If that's the standard, I would argue that my political donations meet the test.
 
gsdx said:
Maybe it's just me**, but it seems that the Republicans complain most often about cheating when they're the ones most often cheating. Coincidence?
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It's a classic Roy Cohn technique (and probably much older -- Goebbels probably knew it). Whatever misdeeds your side is committing, accuse the other side of them and call reporters liars. Do that over and over again. That way, when your side's misdeeds are uncovered, your voters will shrug and think that everyone does it.
 
All of them should be executed.
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KaraBulut said:
A small modification: if you're giving to the 501(c)(3) side of the political organization, it's deductible. For example, conservative annoy-Democrats-with Lawsuits organization, Judicial Watch, is a 501(c)(3) "crime prevention" charitable organization. The millions that donors pour into it are tax deductible.


However, the IRS rules say that a charitable deduction can only be taken if you received nothing of value in return. If that's the standard, I would argue that my political donations meet the test.
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Speaking of Judicial Watch. How I got on their mailing list, I don't know. But just today I received in the mail a 4 page, 14 question "survey", ie. money solicitation, for the "2024 National Illegal Alien Election Impact Survey". Along with it came an 8 page, hate filled rant, "Stop Joe Biden and the Radical Left from opening our voting booths to illegal aliens and potentially stealing the 2024 elections".

It is loaded with all the outrage provoking stuff about mail-in ballots, "ballot harvesting", "Joe Biden's radical open border agenda", "Joe Biden and his radical leftist allies want to create a new pool of voters, specifically including aliens who are in the U.S. illegally...whom they believe will overwhelmingly vote for candidates supported by the Left", and all the other far-right nonsense. It is lie, after lie, after lie. Really whacked out stuff.

A couple of the questions are Missouri specific, but totally ignorant, because they ask about things that are already true. In Missouri, you have to have a photo ID to vote, and you cannot get any of the accepted ID's without first proving citizenship. It's stupid. It's all about provoking outrage for dollars over stuff that doesn't happen.

They say, "We do not support or oppose candidates for public office", but then proceed to do exactly that. And you can take a tax-deduction for contributing to their disinformation, too.

A few days ago, I also received a donation solicitation from Southern Poverty Law Center. Maybe I'll send them something. Judicial Watch is clearly a hate group.
 
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cityboy-stl said:
Speaking of Judicial Watch. How I got on their mailing list, I don't know. But just today I received in the mail a 4 page, 14 question "survey", ie. money solicitation, for the "2024 National Illegal Alien Election Impact Survey". Along with it came an 8 page, hate filled rant, "Stop Joe Biden and the Radical Left from opening our voting booths to illegal aliens and potentially stealing the 2024 elections"...

They say, "We do not support or oppose candidates for public office", but then proceed to do exactly that. And you can take a tax-deduction for contributing to their disinformation, too.

A few days ago, I also received a donation solicitation from Southern Poverty Law Center. Maybe I'll send them something. Judicial Watch is clearly a hate group.
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I don't understand how they have been getting away with this stuff. What they are doing is clearly political activism and its being financed from the usual suspects like the Mellon-Scaife family. Judicial Watch is pushing the election fraud crap, as is the Leonard Leo network of organizations.

Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse is like a dog with a bone on the Leonard Leo orgs but I wish Whitehouse would also put forth legislation to reform the tax code for organizations that are organized under the 501(c) banner. Whitehouse has a organization chart where he shows how millions of dollars from the ultrawealthy and their "foundations" finance these groups of connected organizations where one operates as "educational organization" under 501(c)(3) which is tax deductible and often has the same address as a political organization that operates under 501(c)(4).

In the chart below:
  • The Honest Elections Project (aka The 85 Fund aka Judicial Education Project) is the 501(c)(3) that donors can use to make the tax deductible donations.
  • The Federalist Society puts together lists of Federal Judge candidates that it likes.
  • The Judicial Crisis Network runs commercials favoring judicial nominees that the Federalist Society likes (and they run commercials against candidates like Ketanji Brown Jackson that are not Federalist-favored).
  • Then the group's political organizations file amicus briefs in court cases like Citizens United v FEC, that lifted the restrictions on campaign donations, equating "money" with "free speech". These are decisions from Federalist Society recommended judges who were promoted by the Judicial Crisis Network, which coincidentally remove restrictions on ultra-wealthy campaign donors, the same donors who finance these 501(c)(3) and 501(c)(4) organizations.

In Sen Whitehouse's chart below, if you give money to the organizations on the left side of the chart [the 501(c)(3) orgs], it is tax deductible. If you give money to the organizations on the right side of the chart [the 501(c)(4) orgs], it's not tax deductible. The two sides of the chart are working together for the same objective, but only one side gets you a tax write-off.
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While the billionaire-funded right-wing organizations are funding the "Fraudulent Elections" narrative, the Trumpers are running another "Free Speech" gambit in order to mislead the American public.

One thing to keep in mind while the Orwellian disinformation is regurgitated from Trump allies over the next couple of weeks: Saying that the First Amendment's guarantee of protected free speech allows you to lie about an election is an admission that you are lying about the election.


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But as usual, the Trumpists will be too stupid (or cynical) to notice or care.

The hardcore are so convinced he won that they see all of this as the great conspiracy. And nothing will change this until Trump is dead...after which they will dwell on it until their last breath....but at least they won't have a living cult leader to worship and empower.
 
KaraBulut said:
While the billionaire-funded right-wing organizations are funding the "Fraudulent Elections" narrative, the Trumpers are running another "Free Speech" gambit in order to mislead the American public.

One thing to keep in mind while the Orwellian disinformation is regurgitated from Trump allies over the next couple of weeks: Saying that the First Amendment's guarantee of protected free speech allows you to lie about an election is an admission that you are lying about the election.


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I think he practised that speech in front of a mirror for hours until he was talking to himself during the real thing.
 
rareboy said:
But as usual, the Trumpists will be too stupid (or cynical) to notice or care.

The hardcore are so convinced he won that they see all of this as the great conspiracy. And nothing will change this until Trump is dead...after which they will dwell on it until their last breath....but at least they won't have a living cult leader to worship and empower.
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Like with any cult, logic and reason have limitations with the Trump cult.

The good news is that cult deprogamming does start with undermining the absolute truth of one of their beliefs. All it takes is one of the dogmas to be questioned for the indoctrinated to begin to question it all.

Because so many of the Trump cult are wound up in Christianity cults and QAnon conspiracies, they want to debate in hopes of evangelizing. It's best not to take the bait and instead undermine their "truth". Don't argue with them about Trump's free speech rights. Instead, just say, "Oh, so now you see that Trump lied to you about the election being stolen? He knew he lost and he lied to you about it?".
 
Worth a try...but they will all swear that it was the dems who lied about winning the election.

And it would be easier to de-program Trumpers if GQP leaders and bobbleheads didn't keep propping up the big lie themselves in order to continue their work on subverting democratic elections.

They are still thriving on the mistruths because if people can't believe in anything they will believe nothing...the classic KGB Soviet philosophy.
 
At this point, I seriously doubt if there are any "undecideds." The horde will countenance anything the Toad does. The weak will capitulate, the rest are irrelevant.

Toad will go on to lose a third election cycle, and here's hoping that the ensuing electoral bloodbath that accompanies that will be YYYYYUUUUUGGGGGEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
rareboy said:
Worth a try...but they will all swear that it was the dems who lied about winning the election.

And it would be easier to de-program Trumpers if GQP leaders and bobbleheads didn't keep propping up the big lie themselves in order to continue their work on subverting democratic elections.

They are still thriving on the mistruths because if people can't believe in anything they will believe nothing...the classic KGB Soviet philosophy.
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You are right that none of this changes anything. In order to de-program the horde you have to de-bigot them, and that, has always been the problem.
 
More observations about Trump and his followers from Slate commenters. These are from the comments on this article:
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The Secret to DeSantis’ Troubles Sounds So Stupid, but It’s Real

He can’t close the gap on this one.
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Trump voters are basically failures. Look through that crowd at the Capitol and try to point out a guy that is not behind in his child support and/or alimony. Angry, stupid fuck-ups.

What makes him different from his supporters is that his father left him a bunch of money. Even though he squandered all of his father's money, the residuals from the people who own his properties now is sufficient to at least make him appear rich.

That is the MAGA ideal. Be richer than all the other fuck-ups and gloat about it. You know that is what they want the most.
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I grew up in an area that is now prime MAGA country, and the kids I went to school with considered the following things fun: coming up with racist chants to yell when we played the sports teams from the nearby rez (who nearly always walloped us); asking the chemistry teacher how to make moonshine; shoving the smallest kid (me) in her locker on a near-daily basis; baiting the history teacher with questions about what exactly was so bad about Hitler.

So yeah, it totally tracks that Trump is their idea of a fun guy.
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This (article) talks about 'Trumpism without the 'electability baggage'. But Trump IS the baggage. He's adored, not in spite of his grossness, but because of it. Loving him because of his baggage is his supporters' way of sticking it to the "elites," even though that baggage includes a career of fraud and not paying his bills and most recently an attempt to end our democracy.
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Popular kids ignore uncool kids; picking on them would be beneath them. The bullies are more likely to be on the fringe of the "popular" clique trying to break in by attracting attention or by serving as enforcers. To extend the analogy, many/most Trump supporters don't go around berating his usual targets, partially because there would be social blowback. Trump serves as enforcer of what they might like to do, because he is the equivalent of the fringe-kid trying to win their approval. (DeSantis is reaching for this role too with similar behavior, but it doesn't work as well because the crowd he's wooing knows he doesn't really mean it.)
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- Poor Meatball (DeSantis) can’t even get being an asshole right. That’s sad.

- That's because Meatball is cosplaying at being an asshole thinking that is what his supporters really want. Trump is also a primo asshole but he provides a nice appetizer of middle-school humor along with his asshole entree. That's why his cultists love him so much. He makes them feel comforted in their assholery.
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With one sole exception, the GOP has awarded every single presidential nomination of the past 75 years to whichever candidate had the most name recognition. (That sole exception was 1964, when a Rockefeller was going to win it but fell to a sex scandal.)
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Toad is trying to try this in public and provoke nullification.

They'd better gag it.

But they won't and we're going to be bombarded with fucking ridiculous until after Nov. '24
 
rareboy said:
And it would be easier to de-program Trumpers if GQP leaders and bobbleheads didn't keep propping up the big lie themselves in order to continue their work on subverting democratic elections.
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There will be a special place in history for members of Congress who ran and hid on Jan 6th and are now sending out Tweets about "free speech!" and the "Biden Justice Department".

During the McCarthy era when the same Grand Ole Party was hiding in their offices and pretending not to see what was happening in the McCarthy hearings, there wasn't Twitter and cellphone video to capture their oleaginous mollycoddling and obsequiousness.
 
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