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Trump this.

Today in stupid lawyers doing stupid things...

John Lauro was in Federal Court in DC today, arguing that he needed 3 years to prepare for Trump's trial. He asked for a 2026 trial date.

It was pointed out that Lauro was giving press interviews over the weekend saying that he had read Mike Pence's book twice and he was ready to put Mike Pence on the stand... um... in 2026?




Meanwhile, another Trump attorney Alina Habba was bragging about how smart Trump was and how he didn't need to prepare a defense:

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Trump may need to hire a social secretary just to manage his court calendar:

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An interesting thing happened yesterday in the Mark Meadows testimony- basically, his claim is that, in participating in the Georgia meetings about the 2020 election, he was acting in his role as the White House Chief of Staff. That basically is an admission that he violated the Hatch Act.

However, it turns out that the Hatch Act penalties can only be taken on current employees of the government, so even if Meadows violated the Hatch Act, nothing can be done about it.

Turns out that in 2021, the Office of Special Counsel produced a report indicating that the Trump years were replete with violations of the Hatch Act but since they were out of office, nothing could be done since the penalties are related to current employees only.

OSC Issues Hatch Act Report Documenting Violations by 13 Senior Trump Administration Officials, Including at the 2020 Republican National Convention

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KaraBulut said:
An interesting thing happened yesterday in the Mark Meadows testimony- basically, his claim is that, in participating in the Georgia meetings about the 2020 election, he was acting in his role as the White House Chief of Staff. That basically is an admission that he violated the Hatch Act.

However, it turns out that the Hatch Act penalties can only be taken on current employees of the government, so even if Meadows violated the Hatch Act, nothing can be done about it.

Turns out that in 2021, the Office of Special Counsel produced a report indicating that the Trump years were replete with violations of the Hatch Act but since they were out of office, nothing could be done since the penalties are related to current employees only.

OSC Issues Hatch Act Report Documenting Violations by 13 Senior Trump Administration Officials, Including at the 2020 Republican National Convention

osc.gov osc.gov
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So.....it sounds to me like his claim is an admission of guilt to the charges but, oh well, it was OK because it was my job. The Nuremberg defense. Why am I not surprised?
No federal job includes committing crimes in its job description, and just following orders does not exempt you from the law.
 
He's not saying Toad ordered him to do something illegal (though he may get there) and so there was no crime; he's saying any prosecution is forbidden because he was in a privileged position in government, exempt from prosecution for doing his job.

This is an established legal precedent - as far as it goes, but what Smith is saying is that fomenting a coup d'état is not part of doing a government job, and there is no privilege.
 
cityboy-stl said:
So.....it sounds to me like his claim is an admission of guilt to the charges but, oh well, it was OK because it was my job. The Nuremberg defense. Why am I not surprised?
No federal job includes committing crimes in its job description, and just following orders does not exempt you from the law.
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That is the appropriate label: the Nuremberg defense.

Not much shocks me. However, when I watched the Republican debate last week, it was shocking how many candidates on the stage raised their hand and said they would support Trump if he were the 2024 nominee. And not shocking were the cheers from the crowd.

Only two men, both former US Attorneys said "No". They had the backbone to acknowledge that Trump is a criminal. These two men know that Trump is going to prison. They both had the principles and fortitude to say, "No, I won't support a criminal".

Once upon a time, the Republican Party had a generation of leaders who willingly put life and limb at risk to fight for democracy. Now, the majority of their leadership is weak and pitiful and fearful of their base. After having a mob of Trump supporters storm and takeover the seat of American democracy, they now use defenses of "The President told me...", "I was just doing my job", "I'm a Republican and I'll support the Republican candidate".

The Republican Party is not a political party. It is a cult.
 
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He's not saying Toad ordered him to do something illegal (though he may get there) and so there was no crime; he's saying any prosecution is forbidden because he was in a privileged position in government, exempt from prosecution for doing his job.

This is an established legal precedent - as far as it goes, but what Smith is saying is that fomenting a coup d'état is not part of doing a government job, and there is no privilege.
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A distinction without a difference. The "toad" ordered me, and just doing my job, are the exact same thing as far as this goes. The prosecution is right. Crime is not in any federal job description. It is also a legal precedent, is it not, that if orders or your job lead you to take an illegal action, it is your legal responsibility to say no.
 
It is different though. Toad is irrelevant to his defense. They could convict Toad of everything and all the co-conspirators of everything, and if the courts let this defense stand, Meadows would walk away scott-free. Even if they proved he did in fact conspire, rig the election, and attempt to prevent Congress from doing it's job, if the court buys his argument, they can't touch him.

That would mean that his case goes into the FED, which then accepts his motion to dismiss. It's basically an all-or-nothing gamble. What is not involved, is the guilt, innocence, orders, or actions of himself and all the others. The argument states that he can't be prosecuted for anything done or said by a government official in office with traditional privilege.
 
If it makes anyone feel better, he wouldn't be going this route if Fani didn't have him dead to rights. There isn't much chance this stands. He's not claiming he didn't do anything illegal, or that he was following orders to do something illegal, it's that he is beyond the jurisdiction of a state court because of the supremacy clause, and whatever he may or may not have done, she is not allowed to do anything about it.
 
TX-Beau said:
It is different though. Toad is irrelevant to his defense. They could convict Toad of everything and all the co-conspirators of everything, and if the courts let this defense stand, Meadows would walk away scott-free. Even if they proved he did in fact conspire, rig the election, and attempt to prevent Congress from doing it's job, if the court buys his argument, they can't touch him.

That would mean that his case goes into the FED, which then accepts his motion to dismiss. It's basically an all-or-nothing gamble. What is not involved, is the guilt, innocence, orders, or actions of himself and all the others. The argument states that he can't be prosecuted for anything done or said by a government official in office with traditional privilege.
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This would be a staggering precedent that would de facto elevate the office of President above all the laws of the land.

Imagine when the equal of Hitler would certainly take office...with all the flunkies certain that they would be able to carry out actions of the President with total impunity and immunity.
 
rareboy said:
This would be a staggering precedent that would de facto elevate the office of President above all the laws of the land.

Imagine when the equal of Hitler would certainly take office...with all the flunkies certain that they would be able to carry out actions of the President with total impunity and immunity.
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And that is precisey the goal.
 
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Internet says that's false. The picture has been circulating for 3+ years, originally posted on a bad haircut thread.
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On a happier note, Rudy lost in court today in the plot to defame Ruby Freeman. Damage ruling is pending.

The judge, in ruling Wednesday against Giuliani, noted that the election workers could try to show his false claims about the 2020 election were intended, in some part, to enrich himself, an argument that may come up at the damages trial. Moss and Freeman are asking for unspecified damages after they say they suffered emotional and reputational harm, as well as having their safety put in danger, after Giuliani singled them out when he made false claims of ballot tampering in Georgia after the 2020 election.

A trial to determine the amount of damages for which Giuliani will be held liable will be set for later this year or early 2024, Howell said on Wednesday.

The damages could amount to thousands if not millions of dollars.
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Hopefully they take the entire price of his New York apartment - 6.5 million.
 
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