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Trump this.

This is dangerous language ...as well as being the most monstrous lie. It isw the kind of lie that ends up sticking with his incredibly badly educated and hateful fringe voters...who then threaten schools and teachers.

For the love of all that is decent.

Someone has to stop him.

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A watchdog group is asking the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals to remove Judge Aileen Cannon from overseeing former President Trump’s classified documents case, arguing she has taken “many efforts to undermine and derail the prosecution of this case.”..
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Fat lot of good that's going to do anyone.
 
I assume the only way to be rid of her is through some kind of impeachment process?

You know the higher courts will close ranks because they fear the same thing being done to them.
 
rareboy said:
I assume the only way to be rid of her is through some kind of impeachment process?

You know the higher courts will close ranks because they fear the same thing being done to them.
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They don't have to get rid of her, per se. They just need to move the case to a more experienced judge... which is just about any other Federal judge.

I can't remember any sitting Federal judge who was reversed on appeal on a major case ruling before the case came to trial. At this point, the appeals court knows she's incompetent and an embarrassment to the Federal judiciary. In the back of my mind, I have to wonder if Jack Smith is not going to ask for Mandamus and is going to let the Appeals Court take up the issue on their own.
 
rareboy said:
I assume the only way to be rid of her is through some kind of impeachment process?

You know the higher courts will close ranks because they fear the same thing being done to them.
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You are correct.
 
KaraBulut said:
They don't have to get rid of her, per se. They just need to move the case to a more experienced judge... which is just about any other Federal judge.

I can't remember any sitting Federal judge who was reversed on appeal on a major case ruling before the case came to trial. At this point, the appeals court knows she's incompetent and an embarrassment to the Federal judiciary. In the back of my mind, I have to wonder if Jack Smith is not going to ask for Mandamus and is going to let the Appeals Court take up the issue on their own.
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She's not incompetent. She's doing a bang-up job. Studiously, and diligently working exactly as they intended for her to work.

I also think it's folly to think anyone involved gives one fuck about the reputation of the courts.

If the "other" Judges were so embarrassed, it's been years and years...
 
My God, if "judges" aren't embarrassed enough to do something about this:

Justice Clarence Thomas came under fire Monday as Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., revealed additional trips the justice took with real estate magnate Harlan Crow without disclosing them—the latest revelation in a series of recent controversies involving Thomas, leading to calls for him to recuse himself from cases or be removed from office and for the court to impose a binding code of ethics...
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Aileen Cannon has nothing to worry over.
 
Judge Cannon needs to be reversed both because her rulings are appalling and because it’s in the appeals own interest to send a message to other judges to follow the law not the politics.
 
Norri said:
Judge Cannon needs to be reversed both because her rulings are appalling and because it’s in the appeals own interest to send a message to other judges to follow the law not the politics.
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I completely agree.

The mistake you're making is that the Justices at the top, who will in the end have the last word aren't much interested in the sanctity of law. At least not while on paid vacay with Haran Crow, and frankly, when just taking gifts at any other time of the year.

The only way to fix this is politics, and the only way there ever was to fix this is politics, the way to fix this lies squarely in Congress by design, so while we are aghast at what republicans have done to the courts, I certainly hope we are all out there advocating to everyone else we can possibly find to VOTE FOR SOMEONE ELSE!
 
TX-Beau said:
She's not incompetent. She's doing a bang-up job. Studiously, and diligently working exactly as they intended for her to work.
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I've read her rulings. She's either incompetent or she has law clerks who graduated from a mail-order law school. Her written opinions and orders are not well-written or well-reasoned. Perhaps the problem is that she is giving the clerks a conclusion and then asking them to use inductive reasoning to backward reason their way into the conclusion. A competent attorney can use the law to come up with just about any conclusion but she's just making it up interpretations that don't have precedent.

Getting reversed multiple times by an appeals court that has similar judicial philosophy to your own doesn't put weight on the scale in favor of competence.

She's not stupid - she graduated from Duke and UMichigan Law. She clerked for a Federal Judge. She worked in US Attorney's Office in Southern Florida but that office spends most of their time on immigration and drug cases (it is after all, Southern Florida).

She's just not experienced enough to be sitting where she is and she doesn't seem to understand how in-over-her-head she is. Any judge that was rushed through confirmation in the last days of an Administration is suspect... wait... didn't Mitch McConnell say something about late appointments?

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What the judge was thinking and what’s next in Trump documents case — Harvard Gazette

Obama-era White House counsel says key point in Nixon decision should have ended inquiry
news.harvard.edu news.harvard.edu
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Judge Cannon’s Unusual Ruling Is Latest in a Series

Judge Cannon has shown a willingness to grant a serious audience to some of the former president’s most far-fetched defense claims.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
www.nbcnews.com

Judge’s order for Trump special master is deeply flawed, legal experts say

Analysts said Judge Aileen Cannon's ruling will be difficult for federal investigators to carry out, but an appeal could slow the Justice Department's probe to a lengthy crawl.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
 
KaraBulut said:
I've read her rulings. She's either incompetent or she has law clerks who graduated from a mail-order law school. Her written opinions and orders are not well-written or well-reasoned. Perhaps the problem is that she is giving the clerks a conclusion and then asking them to use inductive reasoning to backward reason their way into the conclusion. A competent attorney can use the law to come up with just about any conclusion but she's just making it up interpretations that don't have precedent.

Getting reversed multiple times by an appeals court that has similar judicial philosophy to your own doesn't put weight on the scale in favor of competence.

She's not stupid - she graduated from Duke and UMichigan Law. She clerked for a Federal Judge. She worked in US Attorney's Office in Southern Florida but that office spends most of their time on immigration and drug cases (it is after all, Southern Florida).

She's just not experienced enough to be sitting where she is and she doesn't seem to understand how in-over-her-head she is. Any judge that was rushed through confirmation in the last days of an Administration is suspect... wait... didn't Mitch McConnell say something about late appointments?

news.harvard.edu

What the judge was thinking and what’s next in Trump documents case — Harvard Gazette

Obama-era White House counsel says key point in Nixon decision should have ended inquiry
news.harvard.edu news.harvard.edu
www.nytimes.com

Judge Cannon’s Unusual Ruling Is Latest in a Series

Judge Cannon has shown a willingness to grant a serious audience to some of the former president’s most far-fetched defense claims.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
www.nbcnews.com

Judge’s order for Trump special master is deeply flawed, legal experts say

Analysts said Judge Aileen Cannon's ruling will be difficult for federal investigators to carry out, but an appeal could slow the Justice Department's probe to a lengthy crawl.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
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What she is, is Partisan. She's quite experienced enough to do what she's been told to do.

There is nothing about what she's doing that doesn't have just one goal - and that goal is not the rule of law.
 
TX-Beau said:
She's not incompetent. She's doing a bang-up job. Studiously, and diligently working exactly as they intended for her to work.

I also think it's folly to think anyone involved gives one fuck about the reputation of the courts.

If the "other" Judges were so embarrassed, it's been years and years...
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Even I, with zero knowledge, have read the challenges to her decisions and gasp at the breadth and shallowness of her rulings that are going unchallenged by her more senior peers.
 
TX-Beau said:
What she is, is Partisan. She's quite experienced enough to do what she's been told to do.

There is nothing about what she's doing that doesn't have just one goal - and that goal is not the rule of law.
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My argument against this is that if someone were giving influencing her opinions, say the Federalist Society, there's enough smart and crafty legal experts that run in those circles who could also write a decent opinion to back up her opinions. That doesn't appear to be what is happening. If she were competent, she would be doing a much better job of appearances.

Is she acting like she is clueless about how a Federal Court operates? Maybe. She's had an unusual amount of turnover in her law clerks but that would only account for some of the buffoonery.

I suspect you know how petty and mean trial attorneys are when confronted with an incompetent attorney or jurist in their midst. Would a Federal Judge want to get the reputation of not appearing to know the law or how to conduct the country's legal business? I don't think so. It might be argued that Clarence Thomas has earned millions in free vacations and indulgences in reward for his ridiculous opinions but until recently, Thomas has had no power in his ultra-right lonely lunacy.
 
TX-Beau said:
I completely agree.

The mistake you're making is that the Justices at the top, who will in the end have the last word aren't much interested in the sanctity of law. At least not while on paid vacay with Haran Crow, and frankly, when just taking gifts at any other time of the year.

The only way to fix this is politics, and the only way there ever was to fix this is politics, the way to fix this lies squarely in Congress by design, so while we are aghast at what republicans have done to the courts, I certainly hope we are all out there advocating to everyone else we can possibly find to VOTE FOR SOMEONE ELSE!
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Even Clarence Thomas has complained about district court judges getting too big for their britches, I agree with you that those at the top have little concern for the sanctity of the law but they prefer to signal which cases they want as opposed to a lowly district court judge foisting it upon them. If Cannon aspires to a higher judgeship she’s making a mistake, however if she prefers a spot in the administration of her favored candidate she is doing just fine.
 
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