Trump: Transgender persons will not be allowed to serve in the military

[johaninsc]

I don't think an army of mixed transsexuals in transition is going to be effective in fighting or on deterring war. And yes, I was an officer. Your little bit ending in medical discharge hardly qualifies you as a expert.

where did you serve?

and what branch of the military?

 

[Benvolio]

An army of castrated males and women reconstructed to be males might not inspire the reaction you are hoping for..

 

[Benvolio]

where did you serve?

and what branch of the military?

Artillary and after commission in Judge Advocate General's Corps.

 

[frankfrank]

TRUMP: "After consultation with my Generals and military experts,

^Time will tell but I suspect that the general staff will have something to say that may delay Trump's proposed agenda until he resigns, or is impeached.

I'd be willing to bet that he is lying when he said he had consultations. Last I knew, the military has said that they could deal with the issue.

Anyway, he doesn't have to consult with MERE GENERALS. He knows more than the generals do, don'cha know.

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Debbie Stabenow is from Michigan, not Wisconsin- the article couldn't get that right.

 

[zoltanspawn]

It's a terrific brouhaha to distract from the real problems of the day.

I'm sorry that trans peoples will suffer as a result of Trump's need to focus attention elsewhere.

 

[gsdx]

I'm sorry that trans peoples will suffer as a result of Trump's need to focus attention elsewhere.

Easy targets... sadly.

 

[justdra]

I hope he dies in his sleep tonight from a massive heart attack. Meanwhile, they spend more money on Viagra than anything.

 

[luckynumbah7]

Meanwhile, they spend more money on Viagra than anything.

Boils down to a dick complex, really. Particularly in Cheeto's case, seems t'me. There's a long line of examples of experience about him to choose from.

 

[cityboy-stl]

We're next.

And Benvolio will defend it.

Mark my words.

 

[luckynumbah7]

I could ask exactly what your experiences are in the subject, hell, let's ask about both subjects, trans and the military, because I suspect they're a big 'ole round number.

where did you serve?

and what branch of the military?

An army of castrated males and women reconstructed to be males might not inspire the reaction you are hoping for..

Let's take a stab at translating your only reply after questions were asked of you.

Ahem, and feel free to correct your lack of reply to the actual questions at any point,

"I have no experience with either the military or trans people but my god, have I got views about what my prick means in this wider world of ours so I firmly believe that every other red blooded white [STRIKE]straight[/STRIKE] gay man has as well."

I may be mistaken on that last 'gay' bit because I can't, in all honesty, ever remember you giving an opinion that didn't somehow shoot even masculine, straight-appearin' gay white men in the foot. Usually even the out-n-proud bigots have a bit more concern for their own hides than you seem to show here.

 

[gsdx]

We're next.

And Benvolio will defend it.

Mark my words.

Consider them marked.

 

[Benvolio]

The problems for the military caused by allowing open transsexuals is shown by the 72 page manual issued in the last days of Obama. ; https://www.defense.gov/Portals/1/features/2016/0616_policy/DoDTGHandbook_093016.pdf
The military was required to undertake treating transsexuals even to the extent of surgery. This provides a motivation for transsexuals to enlist for the surgery or treatment, while spending time away from their actual duties. Try to look at it objectively. Is the really the proper function of the military?

 

[kallipolis]

They should not enlist any person with major medical or psychological problems or who will have assimilation problems or requiring additional accommodations. I do not believe women and men should serve in mixed units; rape is just the most obvious problem.

What if the transition begins after enlistment?

 

[kallipolis]

We were not talking about gays. There have always been gays and transsexuals in the military. Most have and still do keep their sexual identity secret, including your examples. That has not bee a major problem. Only recently have some, probably few, wanted to be open.

Homosexual sex was a punishable offence in the armed forces of most nations until more recent times, including your own until wiser minds reached the conclusion that sexual orientation does not influence the fighting ability of the service person viz. Alexander the Great.

 

[kallipolis]

I don't think an army of mixed transsexuals in transition is going to be effective in fighting or on deterring war. And yes, I was an officer. Your little bit ending in medical discharge hardly qualifies you as a expert.

Transgender service personnel known to me were very effective in the specialist role that they performed. A transgender person working alongside me was very effective in their role as a psychiatrist treating service personnel with mental health issues. The irony continues to amuse when I discuss this matter with my today's work colleagues.

Cannon fodder is not the only role for service personnel.

 

[kallipolis]

The problems for the military caused by allowing open transsexuals is shown by the 72 page manual issued in the last days of Obama. ; https://www.defense.gov/Portals/1/features/2016/0616_policy/DoDTGHandbook_093016.pdf
The military was required to undertake treating transsexuals even to the extent of surgery. This provides a motivation for transsexuals to enlist for the surgery or treatment, while spending time away from their actual duties. Try to look at it objectively. Is the really the proper function of the military?

When I served in the Hellenic Navy (conscripted for two years) I never boarded a ship spending all my time in an office engaged in monitoring Turkish military radio traffic. Neither sexual orientation, nor gender is a factor here in being able to execute this work.

 

[ballcaphair]

The problems for the military caused by allowing open transsexuals is shown by the 72 page manual issued in the last days of Obama. ; https://www.defense.gov/Portals/1/features/2016/0616_policy/DoDTGHandbook_093016.pdf
The military was required to undertake treating transsexuals even to the extent of surgery. This provides a motivation for transsexuals to enlist for the surgery or treatment, while spending time away from their actual duties. Try to look at it objectively. Is the really the proper function of the military?

...while spending time away from their actual duties. Try to look at it objectively. Is this really the proper function of the Presidency ?

 

[kallipolis]

It would appear that their cousins in the United Kingdom do not support Donald Trump's declaration on transgender personnel.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ump-ban-uk-tweets-military-army-a7862296.html

I quote:

The President’s comments were opposed by Rear Admiral Alex Burton, Commander UK Maritime Forces, who tweeted: “As a Royal Navy LGBT champion and senior warfighter I am so glad we are not going this way. ”He added: “We have a justifiably rigorous selection process but it doesn't include discrimination and we're a better fighting force for it.”Second Sea Lord Vice Admiral Jonathan Woodcock said on Twitter he was “proud” of the Royal Navy's transgender personnel.

 

[kallipolis]

Here's an amusing article on the response of a retired (transgender) United States Navy SEAL that is worth spending a few minutes reading if only for the entertainment value

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-ban-us-military-navy-president-a7861576.html

I quote

The reaction of former Navy SEAL Team 6 member Kristin Beck to Donald Trump’s ban on transgender people serving in the military, could not have been simpler: “Let’s meet face to face and you tell me I’m not worthy.”

 

[rareboy]