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Trump's Wall and the Rio Grande

Kulindahr said:
I don't see how that will help with security on the Mexican border.
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Who exactly are you trying to stop? how WILL a wall stop anyone? The guys who pick the jalapenos you buy aren't any kind of security risk.
 
Kulindahr said:
I don't see how that will help with security on the Mexican border.
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I think it's a grand waste of time. If the issue is people employing undocumented immigrants, then successfully prosecuting employers will end the labour demand that border crossers are fulfilling.

Outside of the Mexican border, the USA does little to determine the number of overstayers within its borders anyway.

NAFTA, which Trump seems to hate, gives Mexican citizens more reason to live and work at home. With wealth and employment come political stability and social demand for law and order. But that's getting nipped in the bud again
 
Kabluey said:
I think it's a grand waste of time. If the issue is people employing undocumented immigrants, then successfully prosecuting employers will end the labour demand that border crossers are fulfilling.

Outside of the Mexican border, the USA does little to determine the number of overstayers within its borders anyway.

NAFTA, which Trump seems to hate, gives Mexican citizens more reason to live and work at home. With wealth and employment come political stability and social demand for law and order. But that's getting nipped in the bud again
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The US has had it in its power to solve the problem all along.

But like everything else, Americans want it both ways. Cheap shit but no Mexicans. Cheap shit, but no Chinese factories.
 
rareboy said:
The US has had it in its power to solve the problem all along.

But like everything else, Americans want it both ways. Cheap shit but no Mexicans. Cheap shit, but no Chinese factories.
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So true. And these Mexicans are sneaking in to work, not just tweet on the weekends.
 
ballcaphair said:
So true. And these Mexicans are sneaking in to work, not just tweet on the weekends.
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The great majority of migrant labor is here for the cash not the residency. They would happily go home where it is cheaper to live and no one pisses all over them each winter, if they had a secure and easy way to cross the border. By putting up these stringent obstacles we guarantee that once they get here, they have huge incentive to stay.

Give them a guest worker pass and let them cross the river at Laredo and you are half way to a solution. PLUS Kuli, you get your documentation of who's coming and going, because they actually would line up for such a thing.
 
rareboy said:
The US has had it in its power to solve the problem all along.

But like everything else, Americans want it both ways. Cheap shit but no Mexicans. Cheap shit, but no Chinese factories.
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SOME Americans, I grew up around Migrant laborers, and frankly I'd rather have as a countryman someone who crossed a jungle on foot, smuggled himself up through Mexico, walked the desert then swam a river, just so he could pick my oranges at 25 cents a bushel. Who thinks Ben would go so far just for a job that pays shit?
 
gsdx said:
Nobody looked at a map before this?
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I never understood why Trump's opponents in the Republican primary and general election never raised the the fact that a significant portion of the border ran smack down the middle of the Rio Grande and, thus, a wall could not be constructed there. It would point out what a silly proposal the wall was.
 
palemale said:
I never understood why Trump's opponents in the Republican primary and general election never raised the the fact that a significant portion of the border ran smack down the middle of the Rio Grande and, thus, a wall could not be constructed there. It would point out what a silly proposal the wall was.
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Because the point of screaming about the wall was just a campaign tactic to inflame the racists. Everyone knew this, and since the racists are such a huge part of the Republican party, no one was going to tell them no.
 
TX-Beau said:
The great majority of migrant labor is here for the cash not the residency. They would happily go home where it is cheaper to live and no one pisses all over them each winter, if they had a secure and easy way to cross the border. By putting up these stringent obstacles we guarantee that once they get here, they have huge incentive to stay.

Give them a guest worker pass and let them cross the river at Laredo and you are half way to a solution. PLUS Kuli, you get your documentation of who's coming and going, because they actually would line up for such a thing.
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Or maybe two-fifths of the way. Another two-fifths would be prosecuting employers who hire illegals.

Reduce it by that, and give me the other fifth (of tequila) and the problem would no longer be big enough to worry about.
 
palemale said:
I never understood why Trump's opponents in the Republican primary and general election never raised the the fact that a significant portion of the border ran smack down the middle of the Rio Grande and, thus, a wall could not be constructed there. It would point out what a silly proposal the wall was.
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They could build the wall, and watch it sink into the river.
Then they could build another wall on top, and watch that sink into the river.
Then....
 
palemale said:
I never understood why Trump's opponents in the Republican primary and general election never raised the the fact that a significant portion of the border ran smack down the middle of the Rio Grande and, thus, a wall could not be constructed there. It would point out what a silly proposal the wall was.
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It would have been immediately labelled 'fake news'.
 
^ Sadly, Trump is neither interested in nor concerned for conservation and ecological disasters. Neither put money in his pocket.
 
Someone has actually mapped out the border wall as it exists today- noting whether existing sections are fencing or a wall. I often wonder if Americans really know how long the border with Mexico really is?

You can click on the individual area and it will show you a satellite picture of what is there.

http://americanpatrol.com/ABP/SURVEYS/BORDER-2009/Border-Main-20009.html

For example, here's the section of the fence at San Diego:
http://americanpatrol.com/ABP/SURVEYS/BORDER-2009/SAN-DIEGO/HTML-SAN_/Sector.html

And if you click on area 2 on the San Diego map:
http://americanpatrol.com/ABP/SURVEYS/BORDER-2009/SAN-DIEGO/HTML-SAN_/02.html
 
Did anyone look at a map in 2006 when Democrats voted for a border fence?
 
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