Trump's Wall and the Rio Grande

[Kulindahr]

No, the reporting is separated by country of origin. In border lingo, they refer to them as Mexicans and OTMs- "other than Mexicans".

Based upon apprehensions, neither category qualifies as "millions".

Since 2007, over 1 million Mexicans have emigrated from the US to Mexico. The majority of undocumented Mexican immigrants (estimated to be about 5 million) living in the US have been here more than 10 years.

There's a significant number of Asian immigrants living in the US that no one really discusses- it's estimated that there are about 1 million illegal immigrants from Asia in the US. Asian immigrants account for the largest number of legal immigrants too.

So Ben and I are both corrected.

As for Asian immigrants, there are both Asians and Russians in Oregon who just "disappear" from their ships into a port.

 

[KaraBulut]

So Ben and I are both corrected.

Pew has done some great analysis on immigration trends- legal and illegal. I was surprised at a lot of their findings.

Once you see the numbers, the idea of building a wall that is going to cost billions to build and millions to maintain just seems like wasteful folly. The kind of folly that centuries later, succeeding civilization look at and say, "What were they thinking?".

 

[kallipolis]

^Thus far it's just words. The debate ensures that people become better informed. Congress won't fund this folly.

 

[Stardreamer]

There will be some funding, enough to expand the existing barriers slightly so they can claim victory.

 

[KaraBulut]

^Thus far it's just words. The debate ensures that people become better informed. Congress won't fund this folly.

There will be some funding, enough to expand the existing barriers slightly so they can claim victory.

Been there, done that. The 2006 Act resulted in over a $2 billion in spending on the fence. The additional spending was estimated at $1 billion per year for 20 years. This was separate from the maintenance costs of the fence which were not part of the allocation.

They've already spent over $10 million to repair "breaches" in the existing fence. There was a Border Patrol report that came out in the past year that said that the fence had been breached over 9,000 times.

 

[gsdx]

They've already spent over $10 million to repair "breaches" in the existing fence. There was a Border Patrol report that came out in the past year that said that the fence had been breached over 9,000 times.

Not surprising. As I said somewhere in this thread, if someone is on the side of the fence they don't want to be on, they will find a way over, under, around, or through.

 

[kallipolis]

Been there, done that. The 2006 Act resulted in over a $2 billion in spending on the fence. The additional spending was estimated at $1 billion per year for 20 years. This was separate from the maintenance costs of the fence which were not part of the allocation.

They've already spent over $10 million to repair "breaches" in the existing fence. There was a Border Patrol report that came out in the past year that said that the fence had been breached over 9,000 times.

Clearly the tax payer is not receiving value for their money.

 

[Stardreamer]

So Trump's latest design for the wall is out. Forget the Great Wall of China, it's now a fence as in see through chain link or mesh. And it will have solar panels on it. The see through fencing according to Trump is so that drug dealers can see through to make sure that when they shooting 60-pound parcels of drugs over the wall they won't hit innocent people. Of course, such fencing is much easier to climb and cut through. And Trump's example shows he doesn't really expect the wall to stop drug dealers.



So expect that mesh fencing on the bottom of the panels to be constantly cut through and having to be repaired and drugs and other contraband to be sailing over the wall but safely not landing on innocent people. So Trump is basically admitting his wall is going to be an expensive building project that will accomplish little of what it intended to do.

 

[cocksucker4use]

^Or, Trump is a fantasist.

Is fantacism more like fanaticism or facism? The 3 F's. Well, four, if you count fucked up...ism.

 

[cocksucker4use]

Been there, done that. The 2006 Act resulted in over a $2 billion in spending on the fence. The additional spending was estimated at $1 billion per year for 20 years. This was separate from the maintenance costs of the fence which were not part of the allocation.

They've already spent over $10 million to repair "breaches" in the existing fence. There was a Border Patrol report that came out in the past year that said that the fence had been breached over 9,000 times.

I guess this is the fence one can clearly see that runs parallel to Interstate 8 in Arizona?

 

[Kulindahr]

So Trump's latest design for the wall is out. Forget the Great Wall of China, it's now a fence as in see through chain link or mesh. And it will have solar panels on it. The see through fencing according to Trump is so that drug dealers can see through to make sure that when they shooting 60-pound parcels of drugs over the wall they won't hit innocent people. Of course, such fencing is much easier to climb and cut through. And Trump's example shows he doesn't really expect the wall to stop drug dealers.

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So expect that mesh fencing on the bottom of the panels to be constantly cut through and having to be repaired and drugs and other contraband to be sailing over the wall but safely not landing on innocent people. So Trump is basically admitting his wall is going to be an expensive building project that will accomplish little of what it intended to do.

What a joke.

And that's beside the fact that Mexico has pointed out that the wall is illegal under treaties the U.S. has signed.

 

[Kulindahr]

I guess this is the fence one can clearly see that runs parallel to Interstate 8 in Arizona?

Probably; the fence is visible from I-8 in California.

 

[KaraBulut]

I guess this is the fence one can clearly see that runs parallel to Interstate 8 in Arizona?

Probably; the fence is visible from I-8 in California.

Some of the fence- especially south of San Diego in California was extant when the 2006 bill was passed. The parts in Texas were built as a result of the 2006 Act; the Arizona sections, also.

This is what we have today:
http://americanpatrol.com/ABP/SURVEYS/BORDER-2009/Border-Main-20009.html

The I-8 section would be here:
http://americanpatrol.com/ABP/SURVE...N SECTOR WEST/HTML-TUS-WEST/Sector-TUS_W.html

 

[Kulindahr]

The I-8 section would be here:
http://americanpatrol.com/ABP/SURVE...N SECTOR WEST/HTML-TUS-WEST/Sector-TUS_W.html

I think you want this one:

http://americanpatrol.com/ABP/SURVEYS/BORDER-2009/YUMA/HTML-YUMA/Sector.html


I-8 doesn't get close to the border till that jog just east of California.