Tucson Tea Party to Tackle Dupnik; yet no GoP shooting link (whatever)

[Lostlover]

I thought there wasnt a link between the right and the shooting of Gabrielle Giffords?

Why are these teabaggers protesting the democratically elected sheriff?

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/article_2ee11ea2-88e2-5871-a0c2-180b68bb40f5.html

 

[JB3]

I thought there wasnt a link between the right and the shooting of Gabrielle Giffords?

Why are these teabaggers protesting the democratically elected sheriff?

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/article_2ee11ea2-88e2-5871-a0c2-180b68bb40f5.html

Is it too much to ask for you to read the damn article before you post it? I mean, come on LL, it was in the fourth paragraph of the story.

Pima County Tea Party Patriots say they plan to "indict" Dupnik for politicizing the shootings, blaming free speech for the crime without evidence, failing to protect Giffords, failing to recuse himself from the investigation, and embarrassing the community in front of the nation.

They're going after him for the very reason he's been criticized. Why anyone is surprised by this I'll never know.

 

[Kulindahr]

It's called "free speech".

Next!

 

[Jack Springer]

He didn't do the job he was hired for -- he went off on a tangent to promote his own agenda.

If I lived in Tucson, I'd gladly sign a petition to have him removed from office.

 

[Kulindahr]

He didn't do the job he was hired for -- he went off on a tangent to promote his own agenda.

If I lived in Tucson, I'd gladly sign a petition to have him removed from office.

Opening your mouth in front of microphones is part of an elected official's job. If we want to elect ones that won't say stupid things, we're gpoing to be very short on people to vote for.

 

[JB3]

Opening your mouth in front of microphones is part of an elected official's job. If we want to elect ones that won't say stupid things, we're gpoing to be very short on people to vote for.

Here's the problem though: he was a law enforcement official in the middle of an investigation. He had no idea what the cause was, but opened his big mouth anyways.

 

[Jack Springer]

Opening your mouth in front of microphones is part of an elected official's job. If we want to elect ones that won't say stupid things, we're gpoing to be very short on people to vote for.

Kuli - the sheriff started a blame game before any facts were found. He didn't do his job.

I remember the Monday after the shooting and he was on with the former (haha) MSNBC host and could not give an update of the investigation.

The reason he gave was that he was talking with the media all day. Even though the FBI was involved he should have know the status. All he could talk about the the vitriol of the right.

 

[Kulindahr]

Kuli - the sheriff started a blame game before any facts were found. He didn't do his job.

I remember the Monday after the shooting and he was on with the former (haha) MSNBC host and could not give an update of the investigation.

The reason he gave was that he was talking with the media all day. Even though the FBI was involved he should have know the status. All he could talk about the the vitriol of the right.

Maybe I'm just feeling extra cynical right now, but I think the odds of any elected official in the U.S. without a paid 24/7 coach in the background opening his mouth and NOT saying self-serving, stupid things are minimal.

 

[Lostlover]

It's called "free speech".

Next!

It is free speech and unfortunately Dupnik is an elected politician. It's expected for him to offer his advice on a major news story. Now, I've complained in the past about electing your sheriff, however I don't remember any teabaggers saying anything.

The Tea Baggers have no blood on their hands and yet they feel obliged to protest a sheriff that denounced hate speech.

 

[Lostlover]

Kuli - the sheriff started a blame game before any facts were found. He didn't do his job.

I remember the Monday after the shooting and he was on with the former (haha) MSNBC host and could not give an update of the investigation.

The reason he gave was that he was talking with the media all day. Even though the FBI was involved he should have know the status. All he could talk about the the vitriol of the right.

Just because you didn't have bulletins faxed to you in your bedroom, doesn't mean the sheriff wasn't getting information not given out to the public.

I'm sure he was aware of more details than you were and are at ANY time during the tragedy.

 

[JB3]

Just because you didn't have bulletins faxed to you in your bedroom, doesn't mean the sheriff wasn't getting information not given out to the public.

I'm sure he was aware of more details than you were and are at ANY time during the tragedy.

And yet he still wouldn't have had anything in his possession when he made those remarks that would have given proof that what he was saying was the cause of the shooting.

 

[jackoroe]

Dopenik needs to go. You cannot argue that what he did was right. If his agency was heading up the investigation, his comments may have well damaged the case. Remember, not everyone shot was covered by a Federal Statute, so Arizona may still prosecute Loughner for some of what he did.

On the other hand, if the Feds had taken complete jurisdiction over the incident, Dopenik had no business spewing political nonsense under the guise of an update about the investigation. He should have referred all questions to the appropriate Federal Agent.

In either scenario, Pima County is being poorly represented by a hack who apparently decides what laws to enforce, predicated by how he feels about them. That's not the way it works.

 

[Kulindahr]

In either scenario, Pima County is being poorly represented by a hack who apparently decides what laws to enforce, predicated by how he feels about them. That's not the way it works.

I only have on friend who lives in a county where that ISN"T the way it works. Sheriffs enforce what they think will get them re-elected, even when those laws don't actually exist. In a county next door here, it took a memorandum, then directive, from the county commissioners, and then an order from their legal office, to get the sheriff to stop enforcing what he thought gun laws should be instead of what they were... and then the process had to be repeated with the city that fills most of that county. The same is true concerning a whole range of laws, existent and non-, in a half-dozen counties here. And DAs encourage them, just to give their assistants courtroom time. It's bad enough that the judges instituted a rule that arresting officers have to show proof of probable cause at arraignment (which only slowed things down, and made the cops better at inventing shit).

LL is right that elected law enforcement gives us political creatures; the alternative, appointment, though, gives us political hacks.

 

[Lostlover]

Dopenik needs to go. You cannot argue that what he did was right. If his agency was heading up the investigation, his comments may have well damaged the case. Remember, not everyone shot was covered by a Federal Statute, so Arizona may still prosecute Loughner for some of what he did.

^ so you don't believe he can get a conviction against Loughner in Arizona now? And I know at least one of the victims supports Dupnik.

On the other hand, if the Feds had taken complete jurisdiction over the incident, Dopenik had no business spewing political nonsense under the guise of an update about the investigation. He should have referred all questions to the appropriate Federal Agent.

^ Dupnik is a politician. Why too is the right so mad at him? He talked about heated rhetoric and no left wing radio or politician has bitched and moaned like the right. I guess the guilty ones really do speak out first.

In either scenario, Pima County is being poorly represented by a hack who apparently decides what laws to enforce, predicated by how he feels about them. That's not the way it works.

What do you think about Sheriff Babeu of Pinal County who is looking for any illegal immigrant violence to boost his own standing? He's supported a rogue sheriff that lied about being shot by border crossers. That's malfeasance. Not a politician sheriff editorializing the news.

 

[jackoroe]

^ so you don't believe he can get a conviction against Loughner in Arizona now? And I know at least one of the victims supports Dupnik.



^ Dupnik is a politician. Why too is the right so mad at him? He talked about heated rhetoric and no left wing radio or politician has bitched and moaned like the right. I guess the guilty ones really do speak out first.



What do you think about Sheriff Babeu of Pinal County who is looking for any illegal immigrant violence to boost his own standing? He's supported a rogue sheriff that lied about being shot by border crossers. That's malfeasance. Not a politician sheriff editorializing the news.

Dupnik isn't the DA, but he can fuck up the case for the DA. That's why he needs to shut up! I think it should be easy to get a conviction, but why muddy the waters when you don't need to?

People, including one of the papers in your state, are understandably upset at Dupnik. He's editorializing. That's not his job. He's supposed to be gathering facts and assisting the DA put together the best case he can. I get the fact that he's a politician, but now isn't the time to be playing politics. Brag about what a great job you did after it's all over if you want to score points.

I'm not familiar with the Sheriff of Pinal County's situation. But someone acting under color of their authority is a criminal if they cause a false report to be entered. Anybody who does that has no business being a cop. You'll get no argument from me on that point.

 

[Jack Springer]

Just because you didn't have bulletins faxed to you in your bedroom, doesn't mean the sheriff wasn't getting information not given out to the public.

I'm sure he was aware of more details than you were and are at ANY time during the tragedy.

The last time I saw him answer questions on TV was on the late Olbermann show.

He didn't have a clue what was going on that day -- and said so.

The only reason, I assume, he was a guest was that it fit into the scapegoating theme that may have been the reason the beloved KO is KO'd.

 

[BostonPirate]

If the people of Tucson want their sheriff to not act like an elected official then they need to change the position to an appointed one. Let some city governance body make the selection.

Otherwise, what the sheriff has done is legit and part of his job description, IMO.

The problem isn't this sheriff, its the means that they select sheriffs in general. If he was a republican he would be doing the same thing and the libs would be bent and calling him out.

 

[jackoroe]

I also think it's about where you live in the US. The North East has Sheriffs same as everybody else. They just don't a lot in terms of law enforcement. So it's a bit strange for some of us to see a law enforcement officer acting as Dupnik has.

 

[BostonPirate]

well theres a difference between a sheriff and the police in most areas.

What they do and how they get their jobs defines their partisanship or lack of it.

Suffolk county sherrif Dept. is NOT the Boston Police department.

I wonder how many people think of that or understand how they share duties.

 

[jackoroe]

Sheriffs in NJ run court security in Superior Court and transport prisoners. They also serve civil processes. They can do law enforcement functions but most sheriffs don't.

Of course there are no unincorportated towns in NJ. Some towns have no PD, the State Police cover those.