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Turning 29, and still single

The big problem is that they just don't do it sexually for me. It's not the youth I'm opposed to, it's the size. I'm friends with a few guys who fall into that category, but I just can't date them. I can't help that I'm not into lightweights. I actually did try dating a guy like that when I was 24, and it didn't work out because I was never interested in sex and couldn't get hard. I know sex isn't the whole relationship, but a lack of it can really kill it. I'm 5'7" and 181 lbs myself and I don't want to feel like I'm going to break a guy when we wrestle.

BTW Cgymike, I live around Edmonton (not directly in it, but close enough).

You're 5'7" and can't find guys bigger than you? I'm 6' and a whole lot of guys whatever their age or twinkiness are bigger than I am. Are people really that small in Canada? You make it sound like all the gay men wherever you are are 4' twigs who get blown over in a stiff breeze.

It also makes me think that your problem might be something else. Setting up impossible standards and rigidly narrow criteria can be excuses for other things.
 
Reality check:

First
You have the choice to date people, since people are on offer.
They are not people you find attractive.
You are, sensibly, not dating someone in a relationship you'd regret.

This means your singleness is a choice. Remind yourself for just a moment how wonderful it is to be single when you can't imagine a happy relationship with anyone around you. Look at the last 10 twinks who hit on you and smile, knowing you never have to wake up to any one of them for the rest of your life.

So far, you have no regrets about taking a pass on any of those guys who have come your way. Don't worry about it unless you find an actual real live guy that you would regret not asking out.

That's the basic philosophy.

Second
I got the idea you might spend a lot of time online. That's time away from interacting with people in the real world, and you might need actual face-to-face time with real live people before you can decide whether you'd regret not asking a guy out or whether you could live happily with it. Also you've already picked up that sex with your two hot friends is not exactly meeting and greeting new guys. Unless you are likely to find a guy in their bed who you would regret not asking out, limit how much time you spend there. (though it does sound fucking hot…)

Third
Unless a guy is a complete doorknob, you will have at least one or two things in common. Don't use that as a criteria. To be honest I will probably never give a shit about cars. I can drive them. They get me around. I like some more than others. I recognize a well-made car or a better design or whatever. But only to a certain point, and it all rounds down to "I don't give a fuck." That's true in any couple on one issue or another (it's true in my relationship), and it works because you don't have to mirror each other, you can contrast each other. If my guy liked cars the way you do, I'd get a kick out of it but it still would never be my thing. Kind of a "live and let live" attitude even within the relationship.

I remember in my young gay days when I was frustrated with my dating life and I got some very smart advice when I said I couldn't find anyone like me. And my older and wiser friend said "What would be the point of dating someone the same as yourself? You already know what that's like. Look for someone different." Which brings me to:

Fourth
From what you've written on here until now, I'd say you have one of the healthiest attitudes about body acceptance and openness and self-confidence of any guy I've ever heard of. I think its time for you to explore what someone who is physically very different from you has to offer, with the same acceptance and openness.

So, have a fling with a twink. Yes, Mr. Serious Relationship Guy™ himself is telling you to pick up a twink. Obviously it's not an ethical or emotional problem for you to try something physical just for fun and recreation. And obviously it would be off-putting if you had to consider a relationship with a twink. But just for one night, that pressure wouldn't exist and you could have fun learning something, but also giving someone different from you the same opportunity to learn...
 
Reality check:

First
You have the choice to date people, since people are on offer.
They are not people you find attractive.
You are, sensibly, not dating someone in a relationship you'd regret.

This means your singleness is a choice. Remind yourself for just a moment how wonderful it is to be single when you can't imagine a happy relationship with anyone around you. Look at the last 10 twinks who hit on you and smile, knowing you never have to wake up to any one of them for the rest of your life.

So far, you have no regrets about taking a pass on any of those guys who have come your way. Don't worry about it unless you find an actual real live guy that you would regret not asking out.

That's the basic philosophy.

Second
I got the idea you might spend a lot of time online. That's time away from interacting with people in the real world, and you might need actual face-to-face time with real live people before you can decide whether you'd regret not asking a guy out or whether you could live happily with it. Also you've already picked up that sex with your two hot friends is not exactly meeting and greeting new guys. Unless you are likely to find a guy in their bed who you would regret not asking out, limit how much time you spend there. (though it does sound fucking hot…)

Third
Unless a guy is a complete doorknob, you will have at least one or two things in common. Don't use that as a criteria. To be honest I will probably never give a shit about cars. I can drive them. They get me around. I like some more than others. I recognize a well-made car or a better design or whatever. But only to a certain point, and it all rounds down to "I don't give a fuck." That's true in any couple on one issue or another (it's true in my relationship), and it works because you don't have to mirror each other, you can contrast each other. If my guy liked cars the way you do, I'd get a kick out of it but it still would never be my thing. Kind of a "live and let live" attitude even within the relationship.

I remember in my young gay days when I was frustrated with my dating life and I got some very smart advice when I said I couldn't find anyone like me. And my older and wiser friend said "What would be the point of dating someone the same as yourself? You already know what that's like. Look for someone different." Which brings me to:

Fourth
From what you've written on here until now, I'd say you have one of the healthiest attitudes about body acceptance and openness and self-confidence of any guy I've ever heard of. I think its time for you to explore what someone who is physically very different from you has to offer, with the same acceptance and openness.

So, have a fling with a twink. Yes, Mr. Serious Relationship Guy™ himself is telling you to pick up a twink. Obviously it's not an ethical or emotional problem for you to try something physical just for fun and recreation. And obviously it would be off-putting if you had to consider a relationship with a twink. But just for one night, that pressure wouldn't exist and you could have fun learning something, but also giving someone different from you the same opportunity to learn...

Number 1:
I totally agree.

Number 2:
I go meet other gay guys often enough, and enough to sit down or hang out. It's not like I stay at home all the time. I'm at the gym, I'm out at the pub, I'm out rock climbing, and I play rugby in the summer. I meet some guys through friends too although that's more rare, but those have been the best so far. At least with my 2 buddies (and we've been actual friends for about 7 years now), I'm getting my sexual needs satisfied occasionally, but you're right, I know it's not enough and I need a guy of my own.

Number 3:

I'll definitely think about that, although it would suck if he wasn't interested in anything at all that I talk about.

Number 4:

I keep getting stuck on this. When I see a skinny twink, I immediately think child, therefore I'm immediately turned off. I'm not talking mentally (because I've met some ridiculously mature 18 year olds), but simply physically. I just can't have sex with someone who looks like a kid, it's a huuuuuge turnoff. Flat chest, bird legs, arms like sticks, I just can't do it. I just don't find it hot (and I'm fully aware that many guys do find it hot, just not me). Total dealbreaker. I have been turned on by average guys with a bit of a beergut before (like my ex-boyfriend's roomate, he's gay and a construction supervisor, and damn his roughneck attitude and outright beefiness makes him hot as fuck - I'd have asked him out but he's only in town for a few days each month).

So you guys are right, I'm sort of single by choice.

You're 5'7" and can't find guys bigger than you? I'm 6' and a whole lot of guys whatever their age or twinkiness are bigger than I am. Are people really that small in Canada? You make it sound like all the gay men wherever you are are 4' twigs who get blown over in a stiff breeze.

By bigger, I mean roughly as thick. I don't really care about height. I'm actually on the short side. The blown over in a stiff breeze part is correct though about the vast majority of guys who hit on me. It's one of the main reasons I stay away from our two gay bars. They're FULL of guys like that. And the vast majority of those guys in bars are incessantly annoying anyway.
 
I don't really agree with the intense comments here...it's not necessarily you, I think - perhaps you're too rigid, yes - but if you know what you want, that person is bound to appear in some form or another. It seems as if many people are suggesting you abandon your preconceived notions/ideals for the thought of being in a relationship in general. I don't see you necessarily 'lamenting' about not having a relationship, but just having the desire to have one in general.

I also don't feel as if you want a standard hookup. If you don't like twinks, don't hook up with them - and don't feel like an asshole for specifying that you don't want them in an online dating profile. There are ways to subtly suggest such, or perhaps imply that you want someone athletic...most 'twinks' that I've found on dating sites don't specify any sports or physical activities in their profiles. Can still find a 21 y/o with a killer body that doesn't look 14, right?

I am kind of particular as well, so I share your pain. I live in Toronto and my principle 'dating website' is PlentyofFish. Out of the thousands of guys on the site for Toronto, I have about a dozen I'm interested in and/or meet. I tried Match.com but it was pointless, mostly due to people having to pay for the service to message each other. If a guy you find isn't a subscriber you can't contact them in any form. Lame. I also tried OkCupid, which was a waste of time as a vast majority of the people send you one-word messages or just want to be fucked. eVow looks promising, but not enough people on it yet. Adam4Adam and Grindr are just for sex.

I keep getting stuck on this. When I see a skinny twink, I immediately think child, therefore I'm immediately turned off. I'm not talking mentally (because I've met some ridiculously mature 18 year olds), but simply physically. I just can't have sex with someone who looks like a kid, it's a huuuuuge turnoff. Flat chest, bird legs, arms like sticks, I just can't do it. I just don't find it hot (and I'm fully aware that many guys do find it hot, just not me). Total dealbreaker.

100% agree with this. Also, the whole no-hair-anywhere, lack of definition/general bulk bit horrifies me. Who wants to feel like their touching a prepubescent boy? Can't get that mentality out of my head. Sure, body can still be aesthetically appealing without it, but to the touch? Nah...every time I go to the 'twink' thread (with their bleach-blond hair to boot!), I feel like I'm back in elementary school. Gives me goosebumps just thinking about it. I couldn't stay hard around one if sex was an option.
 
I keep getting stuck on this. When I see a skinny twink, I immediately think child, therefore I'm immediately turned off. I'm not talking mentally (because I've met some ridiculously mature 18 year olds), but simply physically. I just can't have sex with someone who looks like a kid, it's a huuuuuge turnoff. Flat chest, bird legs, arms like sticks, I just can't do it. I just don't find it hot (and I'm fully aware that many guys do find it hot, just not me). Total dealbreaker. I have been turned on by average guys with a bit of a beergut before (like my ex-boyfriend's roomate, he's gay and a construction supervisor, and damn his roughneck attitude and outright beefiness makes him hot as fuck - I'd have asked him out but he's only in town for a few days each month).

So you guys are right, I'm sort of single by choice.



By bigger, I mean roughly as thick. I don't really care about height. I'm actually on the short side. The blown over in a stiff breeze part is correct though about the vast majority of guys who hit on me. It's one of the main reasons I stay away from our two gay bars. They're FULL of guys like that. And the vast majority of those guys in bars are incessantly annoying anyway.

In a bar like that, you can either be the guy who doesn't fit in, or the guy who stands out.

Anyway, your story is interesting to me because my guy and I were the twink and the thick guy who got together. I was 6'2" and 155 pounds when we met. He could've wrestled for Vince McMahon. Years before he and I met, I was not my own type, even skinnier then, and had probably the same ideas about twink physiques that you do. I didn't just want to be with a thick guy, I wanted to be one myself. I was so skinny. I had no shoulders, no arms...

But I did believe in self-improvement, so, around the time I met him, I was cycling a lot and swimming regularly. I did go to the gym but not consistently. Legs are really easy for me…I'd climb the stairs in tall buildings just for fun, and it paid off in my thighs. And I knew I was cheating my upper body because legs were so easy and fun. But I was still making progress, despite not being totally disciplined about it. Bottom line though, I had abs for the first time in my life, some definition in my arms, but other than my thighs, I was now a fit twink instead of a skinny twink. But definitely not a wrestler.

Fortunately I was also figuring out that I did not have to be my own type to be attractive to someone else, that I shouldn't argue when someone else likes how I look, and that based on my friend's advice, maybe it's good when two people have their difference, physically as much as any other characteristic. And this guy and I hit it off doing the Calgary / Edmonton thing for a year.

14 years later we're still going strong. Neither of us are thrilled with our physical condition to be honest. My 30's was all about career, and though I've almost caught up to him in weight, I'm still not a wrestler, I'm just out of shape ex-twink. Hah! Hitting 40 was kind of a wake-up call and we're both getting back into more activity and fitness, already feeling better and long overdue.

But it's funny how perspective helps you figure things out: I know now that I'm not really built like a wrestler. I'm at my best physically when I'm lifting weights but I'm never going to bulk up like him. And I figured out one other weird thing: I always assumed I had skinny shoulders. I don't actually - and I didn't know it until I saw a naked pic of myself from behind in the last couple of years. Turns out I have a thick waist. I don't get the V torso effect as easily, especially when I have weight to lose, but my back and shoulders aren't actually that bad. Gives me a reason to work on them...

Anyway, point is I don't know what's going through my guy's head when he signed up for a twink and I didn't stay that way, and I signed up for a wrestler who has kinda gone soft around the middle. Both of us are really working on fitness goals and getting back to how we feel healthiest, and frankly sexiest, so our 40's aren't a write-off of regrets. But both of us are still nuts about each other in the mean time. It's not like we're waiting until 2 years of workouts go by before we have sex.

I guess the physical aspect is important and fun, but it's not the only thing, yeah?

It's one thing if most of the guys you meet completely turn you off, but I was actually suggesting you consider what it is about you that turns them on. What is it that you're bringing to the table from their point of view? From the point of view of someone who wants something different than himself...
 
When I was 20, I was horrified at the thought of getting older because I had zero interest in guys over 25. When I hit thirty, I was completely relieved to discover I had zero interest in 20.

I'm always suspicious when someone insists that the only gay out there is the twinky, shallow party boy. Gay men do not vanish when they hit 25, they just generally start hanging out somewhere besides the thumpa thumpa. You see the flamboyant and the social immediately because they are flamboyant and the social - but they aren't anywhere near the majority of us.

YOU aren't twinky, nor are you unique, so what have you done to find someone like yourself?

Do you put yourself out there? Do other gay men know you're available? Can THEY see YOU?
 
When I was 20, I was horrified at the thought of getting older because I had zero interest in guys over 25. When I hit thirty, I was completely relieved to discover I had zero interest in 20.

I'm always suspicious when someone insists that the only gay out there is the twinky, shallow party boy. Gay men do not vanish when they hit 25, they just generally start hanging out somewhere besides the thumpa thumpa. You see the flamboyant and the social immediately because they are flamboyant and the social - but they aren't anywhere near the majority of us.

YOU aren't twinky, nor are you unique, so what have you done to find someone like yourself?

Do you put yourself out there? Do other gay men know you're available? Can THEY see YOU?

Absolutely. I'm not invisible. I'm not closeted at all and I'll even flirt with guys if I see them return looks or if we're talking. I don't go to bars but I'll hang out at the pub or at a once a month gay beer event. I go to the car meets. I go to the gym. I try not to be standoffish.
 
I think a person does need to lower his expectations on the gay dating websites like Gay.com. Adam4Adam, Grindr ect. because a lot of people are just looking for a hook up or pretend they want to date but really just want sex.

I think some of the other posters suggestions are correct try joining a group perhaps that's geared towards gay men? For instance, does your city or town have a gay community center? A gay community center tends to have tons of groups for a variety of interests. Groups are a great way to meet people outside of a sexual atmosphere.

There is also a website I am trying to remember the name of it I think it is oh yes www.meetup.com on Meetup.com there are tons of gay groups for gay men who like movies, or whatever. I went to a meetup.com group a couple of times because I really like films and I met some nice people.

You can make friends with some of the guys on meetup.com and maybe through one of the groups you can meet someone special.
 
Dude, you want a life partner.

Do you really think such a priceless human being will be found according to some twisted list or
ordering of words...

No, you know better.

When you see him, reach out gently, knowing he may not see as you do.

Reach out, and if you two can dance, DANCE until you drop.

That is life.

Sorry I make no sense. I do what I can.
 
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