Twofer; Canada to America 'THIS is how you handle racial discrimination' / cops called on black couple for not giving up their table

[peeonme]

Discrimination is discrimination and obviously it can and does happen to white people, but not nearly or even close to the amount that it happens to people of color. But clearly facts like this don’t matter unless you want to point out how many years slavery happened...

Does accuracy trouble you? I am not the one who sits around grumbling about 250 years of slavery in the United States, when I saw that
number I already knew how old our country is and knew that slavery ended around the time that Lincoln used the phrase 4 score and 7 years in his Gettysburg address, I can't believe that people can't do math in their heads.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

We don't limit the protection to just minorities or women. Our laws protect every Canadian from discrimination.

In America we have to distinguish women and minorities because those protections are already afforded for white men beyond all reasonability. Contrary to what Peon is suggesting white men don't need discrimination protections anymore than non-disabled people need access ramps or straight people need a Pride parade. In essence they're the ones women and minorities need protection from. But the way white American men tell it they're vulnerable which I guess could be true-- we all have our buden to bear, for some off us it's rape culture and mass incarceration,others have to worry about mean jokes about lack of seasoning on their food. Who's to say one should be prioritized over the other?

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

I am not the one who sits around grumbling about 250 years of slavery in the United States

Duh because it's not your history. You're sitting on the pretty side of the fence with all the financial, judiciary, social and political perks and you have never bothered to educate yourself about life for "the others." You're a white man in America the world is your fucking oyster and you know it, you're threatened because you think those scary lazy unaccomplished brown people are coming for your piece of the pie. The bitterness towards ethnic minorities is a manifestation of your frustration that being bisexual denies you complete unmitigated access to the privelege, you're perhaps in a worse position than any minority-- to be standing juuuuust outside the pearly gates you can see the buffet table and massage chairs but you know because of your sexuality you will never be fully accepted. Sucks dunnit? Nah, not really, you're still a white man in America your position atop the totem pole remains unchallenged I assure you.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Does accuracy trouble you? I am not the one who sits around grumbling about 250 years of slavery in the United States, when I saw that
number I already knew how old our country is and knew that slavery ended around the time that Lincoln used the phrase 4 score and 7 years in his Gettysburg address, I can't believe that people can't do math in their heads.

My point was that white people tend to bring up themselves being discriminated based on race in attempt that it goes both ways in the same capacity. When it doesn’t, though people want to argue over accurate years of slavery at the same time.

Just sayin.

 

[luckynumbah7]

Does accuracy trouble you? I am not the one who sits around grumbling about 250 years of slavery in the United States, when I saw that
number I already knew how old our country is and knew that slavery ended around the time that Lincoln used the phrase 4 score and 7 years in his Gettysburg address, I can't believe that people can't do math in their heads.

Oh for the love of ...you realize that the slavery chain isn't 'broken' every time the white guy in power changes, shifts, or shuffles off, right. From the perspective of everyone else, it's been at least, at minimum, a couple hundred years.

 

[mikey3000]

We don't limit the protection to just minorities or women. Our laws protect every Canadian from discrimination.

No they don't. Only listed groups are protected.
"It is generally acknowledged that in Canada, unlike the United States, our concept of equality does not recognize claims of "reverse discrimination" i.e. claims of discrimination by members of advantaged groups using members of disadvantaged groups as comparators. Provisions such as s.15(2) in the Charter and s.16 in the Act have assisted tribunals and courts to deny such claims, by serving as an interpretive aid. Reverse discrimination is not discriminatory in Canada."

http://ccdonline.ca/en/about/committees/humanrights/amendment

Amending the Canadian Human Rights Act
Submission to the Canadian Human Rights Act Review Panel

October, 1999

Researchers Lana Kerzner and David Baker

 

[peeonme]

Oh for the love of ...you realize that the slavery chain isn't 'broken' every time the white guy in power changes, shifts, or shuffles off, right. From the perspective of everyone else, it's been at least, at minimum, a couple hundred years.

"It's" a contraction "it has" , If you were speaking past tense you would have said, "it was". So, by speaking in the present tense, do you feel as though slavery still exists?

 

[luckynumbah7]

"It's" a contraction "it has" , If you were speaking past tense you would have said, "it was". So, by speaking in the present tense, do you feel as though slavery still exists?

Two things;

You've seen my grammar errors enough to have a good guess when something is grammarly fucked instead of deliberate. That was a grammar fuckup.

However! Just because you think you're being a clever dick doesn't mean that I don't think there's still an institutional concept of slavery.

https://www.bustle.com/articles/142340-5-ways-the-us-prison-industrial-complex-mimics-slavery

https://www.thedailybeast.com/slave-wages-for-the-disabled

(and yes, I'm aware that last link isn't quite the same thing, but from the view of a group being used for cheap labor it's a good fit)

 

[peeonme]

Two things;

You've seen my grammar errors enough to have a good guess when something is grammarly fucked instead of deliberate. That was a grammar fuckup.

However! Just because you think you're being a clever dick doesn't mean that I don't think there's still an institutional concept of slavery.

https://www.bustle.com/articles/142340-5-ways-the-us-prison-industrial-complex-mimics-slavery

https://www.thedailybeast.com/slave-wages-for-the-disabled

(and yes, I'm aware that last link isn't quite the same thing, but from the view of a group being used for cheap labor it's a good fit)

I was aware of what is going on in prisons, I didn't know about the disabled. Privatization of prisons leads to exploitation.
Once a person is in the system they are stuck, it's difficult to make a life if one has been convicted of a felony.

 

[frankfrank]

Re: Moderator Message

LOL! It's chump change for the restaurant. They make that in a night. Don't your type of restaurants ask for payment up front before you get your food? McDonalds, Burger King? Popeye's? What's the problem?

The places that you cite are set up that way, where you order at the counter. I note the same thing at coffee shops, local hot dog places, etc. Even the Thai restaurant**, where I sometimes go to order takeaway, asks for payment right away. Consider that one's choices are entirely made while they're ordering at the counter.

**I've also "eaten in" at that restaurant, and in that case I pay after the meal, just like other places.

In a conventional restaurant, people are seated (or they seat themselves), and they are given a menu to ponder their meal, and their decision is made while sitting. Also, in restaurants, people will often add things to their order before they're finished (which generally doesn't happen in counter-service places). One example is that the customer only determines at the end whether they have room for dessert - and, often, what they're drinking may add to the final tally as well.

The quality of the experience can also determine how much of a tip they leave, and they need both the bill/cheque AND the dining experience to know how they feel about the tip.

Self-service buffets USUALLY have you pay ahead of your meal, because they have a consistent and exact cost for that meal; but "family style" buffets (where they bring your food to you) usually have you pay after the meal. Restaurants which have a self-service buffet AND choices of "ordering off the menu" have you pay after the meal. Basically, after you're seated, you order "the buffet" and you pay for it afterward, just as though it was a menu item.

And, though the existence of such places is very limited and sparse, cafeterias ask you to pay as soon as you've gone through the array and filled your tray (or had it filled) with whatever you choose to eat.

It seems that the big difference of "pay us first" versus "pay after your meal" is whether you ORDER at the counter or at the entrance, or whether you order after you've SAT DOWN. I've NEVER been in a restaurant where you're seated, THEN you have to pay before your meal.

The ruling is harsh.
In the real world, the owner should pay a few free meals for their "unfair treatment" of customer.
Restaurants experienced people just eat and run, why can't they pay first and eat later ???

I did see a restaurant in downtown Los Angeles "comp" a $20 meal for a homeless guy who was sitting next to me back in the 90s. The guy was so touched that he started crying. And we had a VERY good and very interesting conversation.

But yes, in my experience, any restaurant where you order from your SEAT and there's table service, it's always pay-afterwards.

 

[mikey3000]

How about the stores that state "all bags and knapsacks must be placed at the front counter upon entering"? Are all these stores not prejudging the customers for shoplifting? All of these storees do this to prevent theft. Is that acceptable? I've even seen stores that now forbid more than two youths at a time. Is that discrimination?

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

How about the stores that state "all bags and knapsacks must be placed at the front counter upon entering"? Are all these stores not prejudging the customers for shoplifting? All of these storees do this to prevent theft. Is that acceptable? I've even seen stores that now forbid more than two youths at a time. Is that discrimination?

You’re reaching here.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

You’re reaching here.

and the shelf is waaaaaaay too high.

 

[LilBit]

How about the stores that state "all bags and knapsacks must be placed at the front counter upon entering"? Are all these stores not prejudging the customers for shoplifting? All of these storees do this to prevent theft. Is that acceptable? I've even seen stores that now forbid more than two youths at a time. Is that discrimination?

Are they applying the rule to all customers, or only customers of a certain racial or ethnic group?

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Are they applying the rule to all customers, or only customers of a certain racial or ethnic group?

 

[gsdx]

How about the stores that state "all bags and knapsacks must be placed at the front counter upon entering"? Are all these stores not prejudging the customers for shoplifting? All of these storees do this to prevent theft. Is that acceptable? I've even seen stores that now forbid more than two youths at a time. Is that discrimination?

Are they applying the rule to all customers, or only customers of a certain racial or ethnic group?

In case he didn't see it the first time.

I was going to comment, but I couldn't have put it any better, so all the honours go to you.

 

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