On Topic Discussion U.S. Ambassador to Libya Assassinated

[Telstra]

Wait, what? Where does it say that in the Quran? lol

Nothing about world domination can be found in the Quran.

I'm no expert on the Quran but the evidence suggest it is the case.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

I'm no expert on the Quran but the evidence suggest it is the case.

ooh ma coconuts wot gonna do now it say world dommys ?

sell ya toys? join star wars team ans be extra?

ha

wonda wot world leadeurs do wen meet up? play singalongs wit elvis?
* he back then? *
no idea it one them media circle thangs keep public sumthang fill theire days

* this really da 21 st ? *
nah but no say nothin

 

[LilBit]

9:33 He it is Who hath sent His messenger with the guidance and the Religion of Truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, however much the idolaters may be averse.

25:36 Then We said: Go together unto the folk who have denied Our revelations. Then We destroyed them, a complete destruction.

47:4 Now when ye meet in battle those who disbelieve, then it is smiting of the necks until, when ye have routed them, then making fast of bonds; and afterward either grace or ransom till the war lay down its burdens. That (is the ordinance). And if Allah willed He could have punished them (without you) but (thus it is ordained) that He may try some of you by means of others. And those who are slain in the way of Allah, He rendereth not their actions vain.

48:28 He it is Who hath sent His messenger with the guidance and the religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion. And Allah sufficeth as a Witness.

All of those are taken out of context. Those verses are referring to the people of Mecca, who had been persecuting Muslims. It's referring to a specific group of people in a specific context. The Qur'an clearly states that there is NO compulsion in religion.

 

[Telstra]

All of those are taken out of context. Those verses are referring to the people of Mecca, who had been persecuting Muslims. It's referring to a specific group of people in a specific context. The Qur'an clearly states that there is NO compulsion in religion.

But how many muslims really get into "specific context" ? Very very tiny % really.
So there is no good reason for using the out of date bible or koran for any purpose.

 

[mikey3000]

Take a look at some direct quotes from the Koran, see for yourself….Convert or Die oh Infidel!!!


Qur’an:9:88 – “The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah’s Cause.”

Qur’an:9:5 - “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

Qur’an:9:112“The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”

Qur’an:9:29“Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”

Qur’an:8:39“Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”

Qur’an:8:39“So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”

Ishaq:587“Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace.”

Qur’an:8:65“O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding.”

Qur’an:9:123“Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you.”

Ishaq:578“Crushing the heads of the infidels and splitting their skulls with sharp swords, we continually thrust and cut at the enemy. Blood gushed from their deep wounds as the battle wore them down. We conquered bearing the Prophet’s fluttering war banner. Our cavalry was submerged in rising dust, and our spears quivered, but by us the Prophet gained victory.”

The context seems pretty clear in these quotes.

Yes, the Christian Bible has some pretty harsh words too, but they fell out of fashion and stopped being followed hundreds of years ago. The Koran and it's violence is growing more so every day.

 

[bort138]

All of those are taken out of context. Those verses are referring to the people of Mecca, who had been persecuting Muslims. It's referring to a specific group of people in a specific context. The Qur'an clearly states that there is NO compulsion in religion.

Of course it is. Anything any religion says that is bad only appears that way because it was taken out of context. Islam has never advocated violence for any reason and it was all just out of context misinterpretations. If only Islamists would read the Koran more carefully.

 

[pat grimshaw]

All of those are taken out of context. …

So even though you say the words are taken out of context, there's still mayhem …

…and ferocity…

… and murder in the streets.

 

[mikey3000]

As for Muslims wanting to dominate the world, well, you be the judge...

Islamization of Europe: The Numbers Don’t Lie | FrontPage Magazine

 

[Telstra]

As for Muslims wanting to dominate the world, well, you be the judge...

Islamization of Europe: The Numbers Don’t Lie | FrontPage Magazine

I really hate these protestors.
They don't protest about world hunger, injustice, animal cruelty, pollution ... etc but protest about their perfect religion. Europe should not tolerate this.

 

[Telstra]

Do you know how complicated it is to understand the Quran without historical context? Context is important when discussing the Quran. You can't simply take random excerpts and string them together without knowing what was happening as those verses were revealed. As well, classical Arabic is incredibly difficult to translate over to English, you will find many interpretations of these lines you've decided to highlight so you'd have to compare them with other translations. In general, various interpretations are just plain awful and inflammatory.

In the Quran, God instructs the early Muslims to defend themselves on many occasions because they were being PERSECUTED by the polytheists, the lives of the Muslims were at risk starting in Mecca when Muhammad and the early Muslims started to first preach in public. They eventually were forced to flee to Medina after their lives became unbearable and an assassination attempt on Muhammad was uncovered but the Meccan polytheists continued to threaten them even after the move. As a result, various battles ensued between the two sides. The use of force is sanctioned when it comes to self-defense and up-holding the law when lives are at stake, not for "world domination."

But the Quran also preaches religious tolerance. In it, God says to leave the judging up to Him, He alone know who will go to Hell or Heaven and that to take the life of one human being unjustly is to kill all of humanity and it is a grave sin. It places a high value on human life. An act like what happened in Libya is not something that is acceptable in Islam.

And like LilBit already mentioned...

Most importantly the Quran says...

From Surah Al-Baqarah (The Cow) during the Medinan period when Muslims finally started to settle and form a community of their own among people of various faiths in Yathrib, God warns:


"There shall be no coercion in matters of faith." Q 2:256 (Muhammad Asad translation)

In the chapter: Surah Al-Kafirun (Those Who Deny The Truth), from the Meccan period when the polytheists were severely persecuting the Muslims, the opening verses are:

SAY: "O you who deny the truth! "I do not worship that which you worship, and neither do you worship that which I worship! And I will not worship that which you have [ever] worshiped, and neither will you [ever] worship that which I worship. Unto you, your moral law, and unto me, mine!" Q 109:1-6 (Muhammad Asad translation)

^ This is more of the advice God gave to the early Muslims, the use of force was always a last resort even when they were under threat.

I mean what on Earth would be the point in world domination if you can't even force everyone to convert to Islam? Even in the past, in Islamic empires, religious minorities were for the most part allowed to continue to practice their religions.

The Quran instructs Muslims to do their best to spread and preserve the message of Islam as it is the Word of God. It says nothing about world domination except to those who are generalizing the beliefs and actions of extremists who make up a minority of the Muslims in the world. If most of the 1.6 billion Muslims on the planet were extremists, the world would be even more of a hot mess than it already is.

Do extremists take these things out of context in order to justify their disgusting acts? Yes. Extremists can be found in all walks of life. But that is not what the Quran preaches.

Meh. Anyway, I'm sure none of this will matter to those who are convinced that Muslims are working towards an evil plan to over take the world. It is what it is.

I'm curious, are you an atheist ?

 

[LilBit]

Of course it is. Anything any religion says that is bad only appears that way because it was taken out of context. Islam has never advocated violence for any reason and it was all just out of context misinterpretations. If only Islamists would read the Koran more carefully.

So even though you say the words are taken out of context, there's still mayhem …

…and ferocity…

… and murder in the streets.

Just as with people who use Christianity to justify hatred, these people are using a twisted interpretation of the holy book to justify their actions. The people are to blame, not the book.

 

[mikey3000]

And the people are Muslim, no?

 

[LilBit]

And the people are Muslim, no?

If Fred Phelps is Christian, then yes they are.

 

[Telstra]

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Religious virus is spreading in London:
Now do militant atheists do this ?

 

[mikey3000]

If Fred Phelps is Christian, then yes they are.

No, Fred Phelps is not a Christian by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[LilBit]

No, Fred Phelps is not a Christian by any stretch of the imagination.

Then that answers your question.

 

[Telstra]

If Fred Phelps is Christian, then yes they are.

Fred Phelps is only 1 family in the US.
There are groups and groups of islamists around the world. No comparison.

 

[LilBit]

Fred Phelps is only 1 family in the US.
There are groups and groups of islamists around the world. No comparison.

And most of them don't engage in violence. There were huge protests against the anti-US violence that specifically stated that these acts were un-Islamic.

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And I have to say, Telly, you don't seem to pay much attention to your own signature.

 

[Telstra]

These Muslims were in no way militant in that video -- evangelical yes, but not militant.

You really need to consider the meaning of words before you just plaster them about as if you understood them.

These men were peaceful, and caring, and unified. We don't have to believe in their beliefs in order to no lump them with some terrorists. It is really outrageous just to cite any religious behavior as militant.

I didn't say they are militant. I said they are like virus spreading their ideas ...
Anyway, "The Life of Muhammad " Looks like a cult to me. 100% cult !!!

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

so ya figa it out yet?
* a is b wen c is a but neva say cause non got e ans lost on d if ya see

ha