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United States Presidential Election, 2020.

^ This qualifies as give-a-man-enough-rope.

First, the Axios article does not say anyone has declared martial law, only that the openly desperate president is looking longingly at General Flynn's sycophantic ramblings that the president should declare it.

I actually hope the president does make this grave mistake. He would then have to be forcibly removed from office, and both the House and Senate would be forced to concur that he is unfit for office mentally.

There's no threat from any special prosecutor and the seizure of voting machines, as the states would never countenance the infringement on states' rights. They've already uniformly rejected his challenges in public, in the courts, and from Republican-led states at that.

If martial law were to be declared, there would be an immediate Constitutional crisis. The Pentagon would not back it. The new overlords there would not be obeyed and Americans would have forever the historic record that a populist attempted a coup from within the White House. That would enable some pretty serious reforms that Americans could never hope to see without it.

Those counseling the president to not go over the falls are desperately trying to salvage the last tatters of their claims to be legitimate. If he breaks loose of their bonds, he will destroy himself, but will not succeed in taking power.

If this unconscionable act occurs, I predict Pence will agree to act as president without taking the oath of office, both for reasons of legacy (to preserve the illusion that Trump merely had a breakdown), and will argue that Trump is incapacitated, not unfit, and they'll sideline him until the oath of office can be administered to Biden. Trump will be spirited away to Camp David to undergo a month-long psychological evaluation (if he attempts anything on Christmas or New Year's, and less if he does something later.

However, it does actually make sense that he'll attempt a coup rather than the Congressional confirmation on the 6th, as no one could believe both houses of Congress will invalidate the election, only have a vote where less than 10 members argue against it, only to be voted, and shouted, down.

His only hope now is to trump up some contrivance, other than the election, to claim the need for martial law. Once he does anything that suspicious, he's toast. Toast.
 
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Now that Fox is under threat of suit by Smartmatic and Dominion, the backpedaling begins... on the shows (e.g. Dobbs, Pirro, Bartiromo, et al) that made the false claims to begin with...

Why anyone believes anything on evening Fox News is a mystery...
 
So interesting note that was brought up in one of my Disqus chats. If Sidney Powell was appointed as a special counsel it would be in violation of the special counsel laws, 28 CFR 600.3 says the DOJ independent counsel must be someone who is NOT involved in the issue being investigated. This would create a conflict of interest. Since Powell has been prosecuting these cases and promoting her conspiracy theories, she is definitely involved.

The speculation would be the states would immediately file suit based on this conflict of interest and easily win an injunction against her investigation till she is replaced.
 
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Any movement against the states will immediately be met with outrage and rebuffed by the governors. Just because the president has not read the Constitution doesn't mean the governors haven't. They are not the Senate, and they won't be rolling over to such tyranny.

The United States isn't an entity beyond the states, but is a cooperation of the states. Begin subverting one of them and all will rise.
 
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The coup attempt is happening in real time in front of everyone's eyes now.

From ordering the Pentagon to stop giving security briefings to the Biden team to considering the total nutbar Sidney Powell to investigate all the voting machines seized by Executive Order to declaring martial law....it is all on the table folks.

It has to be pretty clear by now.

Trump has no intention of giving up power.

https://www.axios.com/trump-officia...ts-a844d1d2-acb2-47a9-87ce-ac579458b1ea.html?

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Maybe.

So far he's doing what his sister (I think?) sad he'd do: he's flailing. It's when he goes from flailing to panicking we have to worry.
 
I saw that interview, too. Thought of it yesterday. She did predict this behavior exactly.

That said, even the editor of the NYT nailed it.

His behavior completely matches his profile psychologically.

I agree he'll cross the line between now and New Year's, probably the day after Christmas. We need a betting pool.
 
(emphasis mine)

Maybe.

So far he's doing what his sister (I think?) sad he'd do: he's flailing. It's when he goes from flailing to panicking we have to worry.

Niece. Daughter of his late brother. Well, we better start worrying then because he in deranged panic mode already and at risk of doing anything. He is a clear and present danger to the security of the country and possibly the entire world. I hope someone is keeping close tabs on the launch codes, if that's even possible. I am not kidding.
 
Niece. Daughter of his late brother. Well, we better start worrying then because he in deranged panic mode already and at risk of doing anything. He is a clear and present danger to the security of the country and possibly the entire world. I hope someone is keeping close tabs on the launch codes, if that's even possible. I am not kidding.

So long as Pence doesn't get his hands on the launch codes -- there's no telling what a Dominionist would do!
 
It's now entirely official!

At this VERY MOMENT, Vermont's electoral votes (all three of them!) put Biden over 270! YAY!!!

Just imagine him going over with one of the very smallest states. Icing on the cake.
 
Re: It's now entirely official!

One of the richest states per capita, no doubt.
 
^ It was actually Vermont, not Rhode Island, which put him over.

I think Connecticut is the richest per capita, but it surprised me when I found out how pricey (which implies affluent) Rhode Island is, when I was thinking of that as a possible retirement move.
 
Biden was "put over" when the EC voted. All the rest of this is troglodytes being riled up by the toad to demand impossibilities. Congress has no authority to oversee or interfere in elections.

End. Of. Story. Anyone who thought otherwise was once again conned by the toad.
 
^ It was actually Vermont, not Rhode Island, which put him over.

I think Connecticut is the richest per capita, but it surprised me when I found out how pricey (which implies affluent) Rhode Island is, when I was thinking of that as a possible retirement move.

It is unsurprisingly between difficult and impossible to get data on ranked average wealth per household by state or any other way. You can find rankings of median income, which has precious little to do with average wealth. You can find states ranked by state wealth. You can find states ranked by number of millionaires per capita (which obviously ignores the effect of multimillionaire and billionaires.)

https://www.statista.com/statistics/294941/largest-ratio-millionaire-households-per-capita-us/

That table lists California, which is wealthy per citizen, but cannot be that highly ranked with its very large population watering down the average. Of course, it only take a few billionaires on the coasts or in the mountains to skew numbers.

I did think and do think that Vermont is similar to Connecticut in being a preserve of the wealthy. I did not and do not think Rhode Island is. It has a very blue collar air and reputation.

The rich are so well ensconced that we cannot even get solid data on where they are.
 
Oh, noes. The Kraken Lady got sued. :rotflmao:

Dominion sues pro-Trump lawyer Sidney Powell, seeking more than $1.3 billion [WaPo]
Dominion Voting Systems on Friday filed a defamation lawsuit against lawyer Sidney Powell, demanding more than $1.3 billion in damages for havoc it says Powell has caused by spreading “wild” and “demonstrably false” allegations, including that Dominion played a central role in a fantastical scheme to steal the 2020 election from President Trump.

For weeks, Powell has claimed that Dominion was established with communist money in Venezuela to enable ballot-stuffing and other vote manipulation, and that those abilities were harnessed to rig the election for former vice president Joe Biden.

In a 124-page complaint filed in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, Dominion said its reputation and resale value have been deeply damaged by a “viral disinformation campaign” that Powell mounted “to financially enrich herself, to raise her public profile, and to ingratiate herself to Donald Trump.” The defendants named in the lawsuit include Powell, her law firm and Defending the Republic, the organization she set up to solicit donations to support her election-related litigation.
 
Biden was "put over" when the EC voted.
True, but that WAS on Wednesday (well...and Thursday before all results were known, state votes were sealed before that). I wasn't going to trust that Biden "got in" until, as states were certified alphabetically, the certified "odometer" reached 270.

I did think and do think that Vermont is similar to Connecticut in being a preserve of the wealthy. I did not and do not think Rhode Island is. It has a very blue collar air and reputation.
Exactly as I had thought. Which is why I was so VERY surprised (when considering that as a potential move) when I found out how unaffordable it is to buy something there. (Not living in a fairly large city was not an option for me.)
 
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Exactly as I had thought. Which is why I was so VERY surprised (when considering that as a potential move) when I found out how unaffordable it is to buy something there. (Not living in a fairly large city was not an option for me.)

I'm not following you here, Frank. You thought Vermont was or wasn't an unaffordable state? It was my impression.

When my boss in Connecticut encouraged me to move there in 2016 to support the program I managed, I remember telling him I had thought it was one of those small unaffordable Northeastern states.

Mind you, my impression is colored by my handicap of coming from a poor family where there is literally no inheritance or family money, and being gay and single, being priced out of the houses that a married and working couple can normally afford.

If I were from an urban people and used to being relegated to apartment cramped living if single, then I might find these places less onerous, but I'm not. Small places inherently mean crowding, even if you're talking about the tiny home movement if urban, and I have zero interest in living in one as tornado bait anyway.

I loved the lake house where I leased over the winter on Candlewood Isle, but it was uninsulated and drafty, and cramped, but would list for over 600,000. I'm just not that middle class, even if it were my only home.

Will say that I found friends and was welcomed there, which is against the stereotype that Northeasterners are unfriendly by comparison to the rural South. Was a very different dynamic, and not as friendly as Albuquerque to be sure, but still friendly enough to a fat old guy from the South. And at work I faced no respect problems for my ethnicity.
 
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I didn't really have any strong preconceptions whether Vermont was expensive and/or affluent as such - never really have. Its winters guaranteed there would be no way in Hell that I would ever move there (FAR worse than Chicago), not to mention that Burlington (I wouldn't even consider anywhere else) latitude is too north for me as I'm pretty sure I have mild SAD triggered by short times of daylight, and it's worse there.

It was RHODE ISLAND, not Vermont, that I was talking about as being quite expensive compared to what I thought, because I was similarly thinking of its more-blue-collar status.
 
I didn't really have any strong preconceptions whether Vermont was expensive and/or affluent as such - never really have. Its winters guaranteed there would be no way in Hell that I would ever move there (FAR worse than Chicago), not to mention that Burlington (I wouldn't even consider anywhere else) latitude is too north for me as I'm pretty sure I have mild SAD triggered by short times of daylight, and it's worse there.

It was RHODE ISLAND, not Vermont, that I was talking about as being quite expensive compared to what I thought, because I was similarly thinking of its more-blue-collar status.

Right. Hence the confusion. Post 637 was in reply to your Vermont post. It was referring to Vermont, as were all my references to its individual wealth.
 
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