usa flag offends hispanic students

[Ambrocious]

This is done to purposely inject racism to divert the attention away from real issues and to destabilize the United States. ALL People of the world need to unite against the banking cartel, not be engaged in this form of false flag terrorism, in this case, Racism.


Good job Red, I'm here with you in the infowar.

 

[Ambrocious]

Well once the ball starts rolling downhill, it no longer NEEDS help rolling. So at this point, it is less of a conspiracy and more of a brain washed marching order to automatically inject racism into the issue.

My question to that principal is why can't an American student wear an American flag shirt in an American school? Are we suppose to hate our country?

 

[SuperPsyze]

*shrugs*

It's just another example of something I'm already aware of: our kids have no rights.

Basically, free speech is completely out the window for students. Many schools require uniforms these days, anything that's considered "offensive" is gone (such as this stunt, or even writing bad things about your teachers in your notebooks).

This goes on top of other revoked rights due to zero tolerance rules. The right to self defense is gone. If you defend yourself against a bully, you will get suspended.

Kids can't even share breath mints anymore.

 

[Seasoned]

What is wrong with someone stopping what was on it's way to becoming a brawl? US flag waving on an important Mexican holiday was meant to incite violence. We are a nation of many cultures. We need to grow up. A bit of a reminder: we are a nation of immigrants. Many of our ancestors arrived here, lived and died without being immersed in US culture (whatever that is). We may one day be a Spanish speaking country. Mocking someone else's culture does seem to be our red-neck way of doing things.

 

[IllgetyouHackman]

Who cares? Just shows how politically correct everyone wants to be.

 

[PrivateTimm]

What is wrong with someone stopping what was on it's way to becoming a brawl? US flag waving on an important Mexican holiday was meant to incite violence. We are a nation of many cultures. We need to grow up. A bit of a reminder: we are a nation of immigrants. Many of our ancestors arrived here, lived and died without being immersed in US culture (whatever that is). We may one day be a Spanish speaking country. Mocking someone else's culture does seem to be our red-neck way of doing things.

Ummm, you don't stop a brawl by sending home the potential victims.

I will grant that I am sure Assistant Principal Rodriguez thought he was doing the right thing in staving off a problem, but I don't think he thought through the message he was sending when he did so.

On a side note, can you imagine on St. Patrick's Day, any kid of Irish descent being mad enough to get in a brawl with a fellow student wearing an American flag shirt?

We are a nation of immigrants who left the messed up countries we used to live in to embrace a NEW country that allows freedom of speech and expression.

How you think wearing an Old Navy t-shirt with an American flag is mocking someone elses culture is puzzling.

 

[bankside]

That is nuts.

 

[poolerboy]

US flag waving on an important Mexican holiday was meant to incite violence.

That's too speculative a claim. One could also make the claim of students wearing political shirts that have "anti-Bush" or "anti-Obama" logos to spur debate and controversy, but these provocations do not warrant an impingment of civil liberties.

By the way, this isn't an "important Mexican holiday" as even Mexico itself does not hold it in as much regard (except maybe Puebla) as in the U.S.

 

[White Eagle]

If the official feared a fight might break out, send home the Mexican-Americans that he thought would fight. This is the United States by the way.

 

[Edward Twinkletoes]

no conspiracy here

just a stupid principal who made this a media story, probably a national one

Actually, the principal didn't make it a big news story. The media did. Things get a little more interesting when an insignificant event gets blown up to international proportions.

Maybe still not necessarily the kind of conspiracy Ambrocious was talking about but it does take some kind of coordination and a will to make a big story out of virtually nothing. One does wonder what they're trying to accomplish with a story like this.

I don't believe the media covers something just because it's newsworthy. I think that ended a long time ago. There are lots of things that are newsworthy that you don't hear about on Fox or CNN. If you watch carefully, you can see that the media picks and chooses what it wants to cover (Unless it's a huge event that it couldn't deny if it wanted to). I believe the news media does have an agenda and I believe you can see it when they elevate tiny little events like this to national/international stories.

 

[palemale]

I'm appalled parents let their kids go to school dressed like such slobs, and that schools permit children to come to school dressed like that. Back in the day, we had to go to school dressed neatly in shirts, long pants and shoes. If it was up to me, no one would be allowed in school dressed like those guys, I don't care what was on the t-shirts.

 

[Edward Twinkletoes]

i disagree. his decision turned it into a big news story

And no principal in history has ever made such a decision, eh? Nonsense. It happens all the time in probably most schools in the country. Why is this particular event different?

 

[PrivateTimm]

Actually, the principal didn't make it a big news story. The media did. Things get a little more interesting when an insignificant event gets blown up to international proportions.

Maybe still not necessarily the kind of conspiracy Ambrocious was talking about but it does take some kind of coordination and a will to make a big story out of virtually nothing. One does wonder what they're trying to accomplish with a story like this.

I don't believe the media covers something just because it's newsworthy. I think that ended a long time ago. There are lots of things that are newsworthy that you don't hear about on Fox or CNN. If you watch carefully, you can see that the media picks and chooses what it wants to cover (Unless it's a huge event that it couldn't deny if it wanted to). I believe the news media does have an agenda and I believe you can see it when they elevate tiny little events like this to national/international stories.

Actually Red said media story, not big news story, that is your characterization.

Originally Posted by RedRubberBall View Post
no conspiracy here

just a stupid principal who made this a media story, probably a national one

The media doesn't decide which stories get big, they get big based on how interesting people find it.

No one in the media is trying to accomplish anything other than viewership and ratings.

This is a man bites dog story. In the middle of an immigration debate, American kids are suspended from an American school for wearing clothing depicting an American flag. It was bound to be ratings getter.

The notion that CNN and Fox News would have the same hidden agenda is laughable. Of course the media picks and chooses what stories are newsworthy and how to present (spin) them. Do you think this is new? Maybe you weren't watching the nightly news in the late 60's and early 70's or since then.

 

[PrivateTimm]

And no principal in history has ever made such a decision, eh? Nonsense. It happens all the time in probably most schools in the country. Why is this particular event different?

I think you might be hard pressed to find a school where children were suspended for shows of patriotism.

Please post your source for it happens "all the time in probably most schools in the country".

 

[MercuryJones]

This may be one of the great distinguishing features of Mexican immigrants, as opposed to immigrants from other areas.

It's hard to imagine anyone being bent out of shape by waving a US flag at a St Patrick's Day Parade. And I do recall protests about immigration reform in which protesters waved Mexican rather than US flags, which always seemed like a bizarre message.

In the end this will be a fleeting issue, as the percentage of citizens with Mexican ancestry increases and attitudes change more broadly.

 

[Edward Twinkletoes]

Actually Red said media story, not big news story, that is your characterization.

My "characterization" is based upon the fact that I read multiple forums on many different topics and this story is being discussed in all of them. I would say a story everyone in the country has heard about is a big story

The media doesn't decide which stories get big, they get big based on how interesting people find it.

Again, this is what we're supposed to believe. Just like we're supposed to believe we chose Obama to be our president. We only chose him because there was no reasonable alternative. The candidates were all chosen for us.

No one in the media is trying to accomplish anything other than viewership and ratings.

I've got some land to sell you.

This is a man bites dog story. In the middle of an immigration debate, American kids are suspended from an American school for wearing clothing depicting an American flag. It was bound to be ratings getter.

Ever heard of plausible deniability? It's a technique that tends to work well when at least half of your audience has never heard of it and the rest of your audience is too naive to believe a talking head in an electronic box (Who gets paid to say what they're supposed to say) would resort to it.

The notion that CNN and Fox News would have the same hidden agenda is laughable.

Fox News is the only major outlet that even pretends to dissent from the generally liberal media. What's laughable is that you think Fox News can be trusted to be sincere about anything.

Of course the media picks and chooses what stories are newsworthy and how to present (spin) them. Do you think this is new?

Yet you just denied this.

And no. It isn't new. The widespread denial of it is.

I think you might be hard pressed to find a school where children were suspended for shows of patriotism.

Pure semantics. It would ordinarily be disguised as a dress code violation or something. I remember children being suspended for talking while the teacher was talking. This is definitely nothing new either.

 

[Spiff]

I was infuriated when I first read about this. Only in the U.S. could allegiance to our own country's flag become offensive. Just because the school's majority were Mexican immigrants should not matter. They are still in America. If they are offended by our flag, they can always go back to Mexico.

 

[bankside]

If American kids came to Canada and wore those shirts on Canada Day, it would be a smart idea for them to wave a Canadian flag at the same time, showing themselves to be neighbourly and celebrating our friendship.

If as a Canadian I was in the United States on Canada Day and I came across these kids wearing shirts in the national US colours, I wouldn't even expect them to realise it was Canada Day. Even if they did know, I wouldn't expect them to join me and my Canadian friends in celebrating with a Canada Day barbecue. And even if they did join in, I wouldn't expect them to take off their US outfits in their own country just because it was Canada Day, and even if I thought they were doing it to make a point of it, there are a million things I would do before threatening violence.

In fact, if my Canadian kids showed any hint of violence because their classmates were wearing their own clothes in their own country, they might find themselves expelled with my blessing and on a one-way trip to a boarding school in the Canadian Arctic to chill out for a while.

But I assure you they would not be "protesting."

There are 200 morons who need to be expelled from this school right now, and none of them were the ones wearing a US flag.

 

[bankside]

I was infuriated when I first read about this. Only in the U.S. could allegiance to our own country's flag become offensive. Just because the school's majority were Mexican immigrants should not matter. They are still in America. If they are offended by our flag, they can always go back to Mexico.

Well, not only in the US..there are similar games played like this in Canada now that I think about it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Quebec_sentiment#Des_bouts_de_chiffon_rouge

Not just some group of crackpot immigrants, but the Provincial government in Québec has been occasionally controlled by separatists, and they themselves have played games of "hide the Canadian flag." Even the federalists there are unduly shy about it. Though, I don't think Canadians would use "allegiance" to describe proper respect for our flag. I know the US uses it poetically, but I think we view the word more literally in our national culture and if we used that word it would seem too anthropomorphic for a piece of fabric, which would distract from the symbolism.

Funny how a word can mean a different thing in a different country (or even the same country...)

 

[MercuryJones]

All the more reason to put a stop to this shit. Start fining companies for hiring them, starting deporting them, seal the border, fix the road to citizenship for those who want to actually become Americans!

There is nothing to be done about it - the US will be increasingly of Mexican ancestry. And it is racist to urge action just because you don't want the racial demographic to change in that way.

The above is now deemed "racist" so if you agree be prepared to be called out!

I maintain that every nation has the right and responsibility to maintain it's borders and control immigration. I also maintain the Arizona law is racist and so are most of it's supporters.