usa flag offends hispanic students

[palemale]

There are people who believe man never walked on the moon.

There are also people who believe humans and dinosaurs walked the earth together less than 6,000 years ago. They're called Republicans.

 

[MercuryJones]

It mirrors the Federal law and no one protested because the Feds don't enforce it. Now that someone wants to enforce it, they're "racist." Fuck that. It's the law. It has nothing to do with race. Feel free to believe it's racist. There are people who believe man never walked on the moon.

Which federal law requires police officers to demand ID from citizens because they look like they might be illegals (read: Latino)?

Furthermore it is racist to rant about how what needs to happen because you're opposed to racial demographics changing.

 

[construct]

I'm appalled parents let their kids go to school dressed like such slobs, and that schools permit children to come to school dressed like that. Back in the day, we had to go to school dressed neatly in shirts, long pants and shoes. If it was up to me, no one would be allowed in school dressed like those guys, I don't care what was on the t-shirts.

Thank you! Couldn't have said it better myself. Shirts must have collars. Long pants may not be jeans (denim with yellow stitches or rivets). Shoes must be closed-toed, and socks are required. If we came to school dressed like these yahoos we'd have been sent home in a New York minute.

 

[TickTockMan]

The principal should get suspended. If they can wear the shirts any other day of the year there is no reason they shouldn’t on May 5th. If other students have issues with that then they should be suspended if they cause problems.

 

[palemale]

Under Federal law you can already be asked to show proof of citizenship. As was the case by ICE in Phoenix just a few days ago.

Immigration and Customs Enforcement said no racial profiling was involved. Yeah, and I'm Carmen Miranda. I wonder how many white truck drivers were asked for identification and arrested for not having their birth certificate on them. You think any were?

 

[chuck10x]

Immigration and Customs Enforcement said no racial profiling was involved. Yeah, and I'm Carmen Miranda. I wonder how many white truck drivers were asked for identification and arrested for not having their birth certificate on them. You think any were?

Arizona's law is the same as the Federal law.
To say Arizona's law is racist is wrong, They are just enforcing the Federal law on a local level.
If once it takes affect and legal citizens are targeted, Then you would have a case for the law to be dropped.
Here are a couple of articles to check out on this matter.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2010/04/29/DI2010042903420.html

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/65340

 

[White Eagle]

i have another idea

it would seem that a professional educator would have taken the opportunity to turn this into a teaching moment or civics lesson. he could have dont it in pvt

My 1st question to the upset hispanic students would have been "what does the us flag mean to you"

Very true, thanks for that input.
I live in Corpus Christi Tx and it is 58% Hispanic. We don't have problems like this.

 

[MercuryJones]

Arizona's law is the same as the Federal law.

Not exactly, but it is similar fir the most part.

To say Arizona's law is racist is wrong, They are just enforcing the Federal law on a local level.

Both can be racist.

 

[JB3]

Very true, thanks for that input.
I live in Corpus Christi Tx and it is 58% Hispanic. We don't have problems like this.

Its the culture in California. They're waayyy too 'sensitive' about issues like this. (I'm not saying they shouldn't be racially sensitive; but california has a history of taking that sensitivity to extremes)

Administrators and teachers are taught to make things like this a teachable moment for the students. If this one thought there would be a fight, he should have taken the hispanic students aside and told them why what they were doing wasn't appropriate, and why the other students had a right to wear those shirts. Then, he should have taken the white students aside and told them why wearing those shirts might have offended the other students, even though they had a right to wear them.

This asst. principal should be fired, and the other administrators should be reprimanded for allowing him to do this. This is BASIC administrative stuff; if they can't even do this, they have no place anywhere near students.

 

[chuck10x]

Not exactly, but it is similar fir the most part.



Both can be racist.

How does U.S. Immigration Regulations compare to Mexico's, Canada or Say Switzerlands?
Aren't all Immigration Policies Racist?

 

[MercuryJones]

How does U.S. Immigration Regulations compare to Mexico's, Canada or Say Switzerlands?
Aren't all Immigration Policies Racist?

No. And I don't consider immigration policies to be racist, overall.

I do consider the Arizona law which burdens Latino citizens to be racist.

 

[bankside]

How does U.S. Immigration Regulations compare to Mexico's, Canada or Say Switzerlands?
Aren't all Immigration Policies Racist?

Canada's immigration policy provides a few ways to get into the country:
1) As a refugee. Anyone who gets here can make a claim for refugee status. If you arrive directly, you're generally given a temporary visa until your claim is heard and you can work or collect social benefits until the hearing. For the past few years, if you arrive by passing through a "safe" country, then your claim is denied and you're sent back to the "safe" country to apply there. But strangely, although you're denied if you pass through a safe country, you are allowed to start out in a safe country. For instance, the US is considered safe if you're passing through it from Nigeria, so you'd be deported to the States to make a refugee claim there...but, if you're an American, you can present a claim here and have it judged on its merits. We still get the odd refugee claimant from the States. They are talking about changing that rule so that they won't even hear a claim if you originate in a safe country.

2) As a worker. An employer can make you a job offer and request your presence in the country. If they can prove that they have tried to hire a Canadian and failed, then they will be able to get you a work permit. I'm not sure how hard they try to hire a Canadian. For a while there we had a lot of "specialty chinese food chefs" that could only come from China (to work as line cooks in their second cousin's restaurant franchise...mhmm.)

3) On your own...if you're educated, speak English or French (or even better, both), and you have a family connection here, and a whole bunch of other criteria, you can earn enough points for an open visa that will let you try your luck here without even needing a job offer. And while education is required to get in, good luck getting your foreign professional training recognized...Each province and each industry makes its own rules so you may get in the door only to find it is hard to find related work.

4) Family class - once you get in here, you can "sponsor" every other relative in the universe to come. BTW this works for same sex spouses of course.

5) Students - come here to study - fairly straighforward.

And those are the main categories. We also have problems with enforcement, usually refugee claimants who disappear before their hearings. Or people who overstay their work visas or do not abide by the terms of their visas and get into trouble and then vanish rather than accepting deportation. Some integration issues. We take a lot of people from areas of civil war like Somalia, and there hasn't really been any civilization there for 20 years so people have grown up not knowing how to live in society, and it isn't easy for them (or us) when they finally have one.


Canadian immigration policy used to be racist - the less-british your country was, the less welcome you were in Canada. Now that is not true. We have opened our doors to the world. We take in more than most countries given our size. This has worked very well in most ciites and with most communities of origin, but not all. Sikh extremists are a problem in Vancouver. Somali gangs are a problem in Edmonton. Asian gangs were a problem in Calgary but I don't know if that has improved since it has been a while. And Jamaican gangs are an issue in Toronto. But millions of other people have started singing O Canada in hundreds of different accents, with only pride in their voices and a welcoming chorus around them.

I think we're highly open, and just one example of that is when I watch US tv and they need to put up subtitles when someone speaks English with an accent and it is perfectly understandable English...They'd never dream of doing that here for the same speaker because we just understand it. Possibly because we speak English and French anyway we're used to hearing different accents? I wish I could think of a specific person, but I have seen on multiple occasions a US news program showing subtitles for someone who spoke English that was perfectly acceptable.

(And frankly I hear a lot of whining on JUB about people who type with a heavy accent too...Cope.)

 

[poolerboy]

Tea Party Turns on Roger Ebert, Mocks His Cancer

The esteemed film critic and prolific tweeter criticized five kids who wore American flag T-shirts and bandannas to school on Cinco de Mayo. The Tea Party beast was awakened, and mocked his recent cancer and the disfigurement it left him.

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[White Eagle]

Its the culture in California. They're waayyy too 'sensitive' about issues like this. (I'm not saying they shouldn't be racially sensitive; but california has a history of taking that sensitivity to extremes)

Administrators and teachers are taught to make things like this a teachable moment for the students. If this one thought there would be a fight, he should have taken the hispanic students aside and told them why what they were doing wasn't appropriate, and why the other students had a right to wear those shirts. Then, he should have taken the white students aside and told them why wearing those shirts might have offended the other students, even though they had a right to wear them.

This asst. principal should be fired, and the other administrators should be reprimanded for allowing him to do this. This is BASIC administrative stuff; if they can't even do this, they have no place anywhere near students.

Well, It finally happened!
We both agree on something.
We do have an immigration problem here. The border patrol are constantly chasing any kind of auto full of illegals. However, as I said before, we don't have problems like this principal. Probably this is a pass through area. The illegals are passed on to other cities, states, etc.

 

[2243]

funny thing is you cannot see the irony in your post

Well the not so funny thing is how much you and so many fail to see the sense in soreknees' post. YES those boys should be able to wear those clothes at school year round if they want, but this is not about them not being allowed to wear the American flag because I will shave my nut sack with a rusty old dirty blade before I believe those boys' innocent card plea; no intention of sparking conflict my hairy ass. This was hardly about patriotism and in no way about individuality on either side (what with 5 de mayo being more of a party&drinking holiday than a mexican one), it was just stupid high school melodrama and sadly people ate this shit like it mattered then argued about it just like high school children, which proves the needing to grow up bit.